The conflict in Ferguson, MO

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Second Amendment vs. Bovine Soil Amendment.....

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Heracleum Persicum wrote:.

Was wondering .. when "emergency" is declared, or in war times .. whether specific item/amendments in US constitutions can be "suspended" .. that seems to be the case right now, as seems some provisions of US constitutions do not apply right now (excuse being terrorism)

If so, why can the US President or congress, not suspend the "2nd amendment" , right to bear arms ? ?

2nd amendment is pure rubbish, used by crazy people to terrorize Americans

Sure, when anybody can buy all those arms and explosives and many other war material, police needs mine-resistant vehicles and mine sweepers, maybe even stealth vehicles :lol: and everything else Pentagon can offer .. NSA was not busy finding out what ISIS is all about, NSA was and IS busy what those nuts arming themselves to teeth in America are about

America now EXTREMELY polarized .. not only Rich/Poor (correctly resenting both, becoming rich by rubbing Joe and becoming poor by no fault of) .. not only economic injustice, Wall Street fleecing Joe to the poor house .. not only Political corruption and bankruptcy, being flat broke and suddenly worth $ 100+ m by just (supposedly) speeches (rubbish of no value) .. not only by decay of "moral and ethical" metrics .. but racial, Blacks, Latino, Muslims, Jewish and and and

Things moving to "pervert extreme" .. there is not one week that either some nut massacring school children or shopper in the mall, or an unarmed black kid delivering pizza is shot by police/security, or a homeless beaten to death and and

Can and will not continue like this

Authorities, Police, law enforcement knows this, and, rightly, they arming themselves military style, they would be nuts if they didn't .. would not wonder, and this no joke, could very well happen, that when uprising and rioting gets out of control (which it will), Air Force would bomb entire neighborhoods, like Zionist doing to Gazans

No good future

Is said, elders of some ethnics (and religions) recommending to move out of US .. some moving to Canada .. Jewish population of Canada rising rapidly

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Thanks for the post, Azari.
2nd amendment is pure rubbish,
Not so much....

Rather the Bovine Soil Amendment ;) :twisted: Blathering of a Persian Apologist for Slavery, Stalin and EVEN WORSE :twisted: from Germany ;) is rubbish*..... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Let the police & other law enforcement totally withdraw from Ferguson for a couple of weeks and see if the 2nd
Amendment was of any value to people who don't want to be robbed or worse by rampaging thugs in the street...

When every man and woman does what is right in their own eyes because there is no one to restrain the evil in human hearts, those who are without weapons and the will to use them are likely to suffer... :idea:

There has already been a foretaste already.....

kU1jXuTrm4Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU1jXuTrm4

Vs Korean Americans exercising their 2nd Amendent Rights :D no matter what the naive twits of the MSM think about it

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Contrast video...... No second amendment being exercised vs. Second Amendent being exercised.....

tgCiC6qTtjs


*Unless the Bovine Soil Amendment rubbish is properly composted and put on farmland or gardens ;) :D in which case it makes good fertilizer
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Re: The clashes in Ferguson

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FT : Jefferson’s doubts about black American citizenship still exist :lol:


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In his Notes on the State of Virginia, Thomas Jefferson argued that if – as he hoped – America’s black slaves were one day set free, the result would be conflict and an inevitable descent into racial war.

And in the hours after Governor Jay Nixon imposed a night-time curfew on the Missouri town of Ferguson following the killing there of an unarmed teenager by a police officer earlier this month, it is indeed reasonable to wonder whether a form of war (sometimes hot, sometimes cold) has been waged against blacks in America from Jefferson’s time until our own.

It is hardly uncommon in the US for a young black man to die under questionable circumstances at the hands of the police. Many blacks have stories about young men they knew, or knew of, who were killed this way. When I was at school, a black teenage boy in my home town died in police custody. The officers spun a wildly implausible tale about what had happened to justify the teenager’s killing. Our tiny black community ached at its inability to achieve justice in a town still firmly gripped by the legacy of Jim Crow.

Jefferson saw slavery as a state of war between master and slave. It was a legal institution that categorised blacks as property and gave all whites authority over every black person. Even after it was destroyed, the law and the officers who enforced it remained a useful way of keeping blacks in an inferior position – in particular, of policing the movement and behaviour of black men.

This was not war as Jefferson envisaged it, but the post-slavery experiences of black people were consonant with his predictions. Black people, he said, would never forget the wrongs done to them in slavery and the white majority would never overcome its “deep rooted prejudices” against black people. And this, he feared, would undercut America’s republican experiment – for it would discredit a republic founded on the egalitarian principles eloquently set forth in the American Declaration of Independence.

That document, which insists that all men are equal and entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, would lose much of its power if the society formed in its image contained a permanent group of second-class citizens. And so Jefferson offered separation as the most viable solution. Blacks would have to leave the US to find true citizenship in a country of their own.

Perhaps nothing Jefferson ever wrote has caused more outrage and, in some quarters, ridicule among present-day Americans who have come to take a diverse America and black American citizenship for granted. That these thoughts should come from the author of what has been called the American creed seems particularly dispiriting to those who hope we will, one day, “overcome”. Yet in the two centuries since the Notes were published, the doubts Jefferson expressed about the true quality of black American citizenship have hardly been eliminated.

This is not to suggest that criminals should not be punished or to argue that law enforcement is anything other than an essential cornerstone of any society based on law. It is to say that the “deep rooted prejudices” that Jefferson spoke of have warped this vital social function – and made black people, particularly young black men, presumptive felons outside the boundaries of full citizenship.

If you examine the record of police conduct – from instances of brutal treatment of blacks in custody, to stop-and-frisk policies that disrupt the lives of innocent people in black communities, to racial disparities in drug arrests and sentencing – that is surely the conclusion you must draw.

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Monster, Doc, noddy and Simple Minded please read this FT article .. no need to say anything, can feel how ashamed you guys feelin .. don't know to laugh or cry, really don't know

and
noddy wrote::)

you are more obsessed with race and nation than the grand poobah of the klu klux klan on his bad days.
Simple Minded wrote:
Heracleum Persicum wrote:

Administration :

HAL 10000 started using combative Personal attack against Azari to derail factual debate .. I am petitioning to BAN him for 30 day B4 things degenerate and pull this fora to a lower level of discussion .. a warning not good enough, a 30 day ban more appropriate

See highlighted with Red
ROFLMAO!

Waaaaaaaayyyyyyyy back in the days before people got obsessed with clinging to, and being identified with their group identity..... and identifying others with a group identity that the observer chose to assign the observee.............and then obsessing over choosing to be offended as a proof of superior ideology and a badge of superior sensitivity.........

HP's charge might be answered with "That's the pot calling the kettle black!" or "Boo hoo hoo! Why don't you grow up!"

Sigh! I miss the days when being offended was a sign of emotional immaturity rather than intellectual superiority........ :(

er, uh, I meant to say thank God that we have evolved past that stage and that the world is no longer the horribly insensitive place that it once was.

Whew, creds restored! :)
YET, yes, Ahmadinejat still Hitler and Azari the racist and the bigot :lol: :lol: :lol:

I rest my case


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Re: The clashes in Ferguson

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some town in america ive never heard of is apparently having rascist problems, nothing to do with me.

if you speak of some horseshit meathead "western mindset" thing that makes me part of this i will just groan and ignore you from now on.

ive never said anything about dinner jacket, know nothing about him - the entire middle east is a mess of people with good reasons to kill each other as far as i can tell, best to leave them at it.
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Re: The clashes in Ferguson

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Heracleum Persicum wrote:.


FT : Jefferson’s doubts about black American citizenship still exist :lol:


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In his Notes on the State of Virginia, Thomas Jefferson argued that if – as he hoped – America’s black slaves were one day set free, the result would be conflict and an inevitable descent into racial war.

And in the hours after Governor Jay Nixon imposed a night-time curfew on the Missouri town of Ferguson following the killing there of an unarmed teenager by a police officer earlier this month, it is indeed reasonable to wonder whether a form of war (sometimes hot, sometimes cold) has been waged against blacks in America from Jefferson’s time until our own.

It is hardly uncommon in the US for a young black man to die under questionable circumstances at the hands of the police. Many blacks have stories about young men they knew, or knew of, who were killed this way. When I was at school, a black teenage boy in my home town died in police custody. The officers spun a wildly implausible tale about what had happened to justify the teenager’s killing. Our tiny black community ached at its inability to achieve justice in a town still firmly gripped by the legacy of Jim Crow.

Jefferson saw slavery as a state of war between master and slave. It was a legal institution that categorised blacks as property and gave all whites authority over every black person. Even after it was destroyed, the law and the officers who enforced it remained a useful way of keeping blacks in an inferior position – in particular, of policing the movement and behaviour of black men.

This was not war as Jefferson envisaged it, but the post-slavery experiences of black people were consonant with his predictions. Black people, he said, would never forget the wrongs done to them in slavery and the white majority would never overcome its “deep rooted prejudices” against black people. And this, he feared, would undercut America’s republican experiment – for it would discredit a republic founded on the egalitarian principles eloquently set forth in the American Declaration of Independence.

That document, which insists that all men are equal and entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, would lose much of its power if the society formed in its image contained a permanent group of second-class citizens. And so Jefferson offered separation as the most viable solution. Blacks would have to leave the US to find true citizenship in a country of their own.

Perhaps nothing Jefferson ever wrote has caused more outrage and, in some quarters, ridicule among present-day Americans who have come to take a diverse America and black American citizenship for granted. That these thoughts should come from the author of what has been called the American creed seems particularly dispiriting to those who hope we will, one day, “overcome”. Yet in the two centuries since the Notes were published, the doubts Jefferson expressed about the true quality of black American citizenship have hardly been eliminated.

This is not to suggest that criminals should not be punished or to argue that law enforcement is anything other than an essential cornerstone of any society based on law. It is to say that the “deep rooted prejudices” that Jefferson spoke of have warped this vital social function – and made black people, particularly young black men, presumptive felons outside the boundaries of full citizenship.

If you examine the record of police conduct – from instances of brutal treatment of blacks in custody, to stop-and-frisk policies that disrupt the lives of innocent people in black communities, to racial disparities in drug arrests and sentencing – that is surely the conclusion you must draw.

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Monster, Doc, noddy and Simple Minded please read this FT article .. no need to say anything, can feel how ashamed you guys feelin .. don't know to laugh or cry, really don't know

and
noddy wrote::)

you are more obsessed with race and nation than the grand poobah of the klu klux klan on his bad days.
Simple Minded wrote:
Heracleum Persicum wrote:

Administration :

HAL 10000 started using combative Personal attack against Azari to derail factual debate .. I am petitioning to BAN him for 30 day B4 things degenerate and pull this fora to a lower level of discussion .. a warning not good enough, a 30 day ban more appropriate

See highlighted with Red
ROFLMAO!

Waaaaaaaayyyyyyyy back in the days before people got obsessed with clinging to, and being identified with their group identity..... and identifying others with a group identity that the observer chose to assign the observee.............and then obsessing over choosing to be offended as a proof of superior ideology and a badge of superior sensitivity.........

HP's charge might be answered with "That's the pot calling the kettle black!" or "Boo hoo hoo! Why don't you grow up!"

Sigh! I miss the days when being offended was a sign of emotional immaturity rather than intellectual superiority........ :(

er, uh, I meant to say thank God that we have evolved past that stage and that the world is no longer the horribly insensitive place that it once was.

Whew, creds restored! :)
YET, yes, Ahmadinejat still Hitler and Azari the racist and the bigot :lol: :lol: :lol:

I rest my case


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Yes the US is all like Iran now. We understand your Shame Azari after the government Your government killed so many innocent Bahá'ís Your leaders blamed them for all kinds of things they did not do to hide their own crimes. The Middle East is falling into an inevitable descent into religious war. Because people are so intolerant there. So I don't blame you for being deeply ashamed Azari. It is quite shameful. Your shame about the Baha'is in Iran is justifiable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecutio ... %27%C3%ADs
The persecution of Bahá'ís is the religious persecution of Bahá'ís in various countries, especially in Iran,[1] where the Bahá'í Faith originated and the location of one of the largest Bahá'í populations in the world. The origins of persecution stem from a variety of Bahá'í teachings inconsistent with traditional Islamic belief, including the finality of Muhammad's prophethood, and places Bahá'ís outside the Islamic faith.[2][3] Thus Bahá'ís are seen as apostates from Islam, and, according to some Islamists, must choose between repentance and death.[3]

Bahá'ís as well as the United Nations, Amnesty International, the European Union, the United States and peer-reviewed academic literature have stated that the members of the Bahá'í community in Iran have been subjected to unwarranted arrests, false imprisonment, beatings, torture, unjustified executions, confiscation and destruction of property owned by individuals and the Bahá'í community, denial of employment, denial of government benefits, denial of civil rights and liberties, and denial of access to higher education.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecutio ... d_Republic
The 1979 Islamic Revolution has refocused the persecutions against the Bahá'í Faith. Amnesty International and others report that 202 Bahá’ís have been killed since the Islamic Revolution (see below),[20] with many more imprisoned, expelled from schools and workplaces, denied various benefits or denied registration for their marriages.[2] Additionally, several Bahá’í holy sites were destroyed in the revolution's aftermath, including the house of the Báb in Shiraz, the house of Bahá'u'lláh at Takur (in Mazandaran), and the resting place of Muhammad-Ali Barfurushi (Quddús) in Tehran.[2]

The Islamic Republic has often stated that arrested Baha'is are being detained for "security issues" and are members of "an organized establishment linked to foreigners, the Zionists in particular,"[21] but according to Bani Dugal, the principal representative of the Baha'i International Community to the United Nations, "the best proof" that Bahá'ís are being persecuted for their faith, not for anti-Iranian activity "is the fact that, time and again, Baha'is have been offered their freedom if they recant their Baha'i beliefs and convert to Islam ..."[21]

During the Iranian revolution attacks against the Bahá'ís increased. In 1979 Hojjatiyeh members took over the Bahá'í National Centre in Tehran and other cities and expelled staff and seized personnel files and membership lists.[22] These files were later used by Hojjatiyeh including sending flyers in the mail warning Bahá'ís of the consequences of continuing to believe in the Bahá'í beliefs.[22] Also, once again, there were reports of mob attacks, arson, and deaths and murders against the Bahá'ís across Iran; twenty-two Bahá'í cemeteries as well as hundreds of Bahá'í homes and businesses were damaged or destroyed.[10] During December 1978 in Sarvestan, a city south of Shiraz, it was reported that several hundred Bahá'í houses were set on fire, and more than 1,000 Bahá'ís were left homeless.[23] Reports of the attacks suggest that they were not spontaneous, but that they were initiated by the military government appointed by the Shah, that SAVAK provided the addresses for Bahá'ís, and when the army showed up they did not take action to prevent the fires from spreading.[10] Further attacks happened throughout the country including Bahá'ís who would not recant being fired at and having their homes destroyed; the violence continued even after the Shah fled Iran.[10]
Islamic Republic

After the Shah left Iran on January 16, 1979, Ayatollah Khomeini returned on February 1, 1979 and started the process of creating a new government. During an interview before returning to Iran with Professor James Cockroft, Khomeini stated that Bahá'ís would not have religious freedom:

Cockroft: Will there be either religious or political freedom for the Bahá'ís under the Islamic government?
Khomeini: They are a political faction; they are harmful. They will not be accepted.
Cockroft: How about their freedom of religion– religious practice?
Khomeini: No.[24]

The new government's spokesman in the United States said that while religious minorities would retain their religious rights emphasized that the Bahá'ís would not receive the same treatment, since they believed that the Bahá'ís were a political rather than religious movement.[25] Bazargan, the provisional prime-minister, while being emphatic that all Iranians would enjoy the same rights, insisted that the Bahá'ís were a political movement and would not be tolerated.[10]

During the drafting of the new constitution the wording intentionally excluded the Bahá'ís from protection as a religious community.[26] Referring to the recordings of the proceedings of the official transcripts of the constitution drafting process, Sanasarian states that anti-Bahá'í thought was obvious as there was haggling "over every word and expression of certain articles to assure the exclusion of the Bahá'ís."[27] The final version of the constitution explicitly withheld recognition from the Bahá'ís by stating in Article 13 that the "Zoroastrian, Jewish and Christian Iranians are the only recognized religious minorities..."[10] Responding to international criticism due to the exclusion of the Bahá'ís, spokesmen for the government stated, as before, that the Bahá'ís were a "misguided group... whose affiliation and association with world Zionism is a clear fact"[28] and that "Bahá'ísm is not a religion, but a political doctrine."[29]

Starting in late 1979 the new government of the Islamic Republic of Iran systematically targeted the leadership of the Bahá'í community by focusing on the Bahá'í National Spiritual Assembly (NSA) and Local Spiritual Assemblies (LSA). In November 1979, Ali Murad Davudi, the secretary of the NSA, was kidnapped and never seen again.[30] In August 1980 all nine members of the National Spiritual Assembly were arrested while meeting at a private home.[10] In a statement on September 10, 1980, then speaker of the House Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, stated that an order for the arrests of the Bahá'ís had been issued, but by October 9, 1980 Rafsanjani changed his statement and said that no members of the NSA were arrested.[10] There has been no further news regarding the nine NSA members since their arrest in 1980, and their fate remains unknown, although there are reports that they were at some point held in Evin prison; they are now presumed dead.[10] After the disappearance of the NSA members, the Iranian Bahá'í elected a new NSA. On December 13, 1981 eight of the nine new NSA members were arrested by the Iranian authorities, and were executed on December 27, 1981 without trial.[10]

In addition to the execution of the members of two National Spiritual Assemblies, the members of Local Spiritual Assemblies throughout the country were also killed. Between April 1979 and December 1980 at least eight prominent Tehran Bahá'ís were killed. In September 1980 in Yazd, fifteen Bahá'ís were arrested, and after a graphic trial that was partially televised, seven of the Bahá'ís were executed; the remaining eight were released after four months.[10] In Tabriz in 1979 two prominent Bahá'ís were executed and then in 1981 all nine members of the Tabriz LSA were executed. In Hamadan seven members of the LSA of Hamaden were executed by firing squad, and while the bodies were being prepared for the funeral it was found that six of the men were physically tortured before their death.[10] In Shiraz between 1978 and 1981, the House of the Báb, a Bahá'í holy place, was destroyed, five prominent Bahá'ís were executed, and more than 85 Bahá'ís were arrested for interrogations; then in 1983 sixteen more Bahá'ís were executed.[10]

On August 29, 1983 the government announced a legal ban on all administrative and community activities of the Bahá'í community, which required the dissolution of the third National Spiritual Assembly and about 400 Local Spiritual Assemblies.[10] The Bahá'í community complied with the ban, but the former members of the LSAs were routinely harassed, and seven members of the third NSA were eventually arrested and executed.[10]
Secret memorandum

In February 1991, a confidential circular[31] issued by the Supreme Cultural Revolution Council on "the Bahá'í question" and signed by Supreme Leader Khamenei himself, signaled an increase in efforts to suffocate the Iranian Bahá'í community through a more "silent" means.[1][2][32][33] The document organized the methods of oppression used to persecute the Bahá’ís, and contained specific recommendations on how to block the progress of the Bahá'í communities both inside and outside Iran.[2] The document stated that the most excessive types of persecutions should be avoided and instead, among other things recommended, that Bahá'ís be expelled from universities, "once it becomes known that they are Bahá'ís," to "deny them employment if they identify themselves as Bahá'ís" and to "deny them any position of influence."[1]

The existence of this so called Golpaygani Memorandum was brought to the attention of the public in a report by the then UN Human Rights Commissioner Mr Galindo Pohl (E/CM4/1993/41, 28 January 1993),[31] and the policy recommendations of the document are still in force.[2][32]
Current situation

According to a US panel, attacks on Bahá'ís in Iran have increased since Mahmoud Ahmadinejad became president.[34] In the ten years following the 1979 revolution, more than 200 Baha'is were killed or executed, hundreds more were tortured or imprisoned, and tens of thousands lost jobs, access to education, and other rights – all solely because of their religious belief. Since 2005, more than more than 710 Baha'is have been arrested, and the number of Baha'is in prison has risen from fewer than five to a current figure of 136; roughly 600 more are engaged with the penal system: awaiting trial, for example, or awaiting sentencing. The incarcerated now include young mothers of nursing children (imprisoned with their infants). Since the summer of 2013, escalation of attacks has included both murder and attempted murder. These attacks are believed to be hate crimes that are religiously motivated.[35]

In 2004, Iranian authorities demolished the shrine and grave site of Muhammad-Ali Barfurushi (Quddús), a Bábí leader.[2] In late 2005, an anti-Bahá'í media campaign was launched in Iran, asserting that the religion was created by colonialist powers to subvert Islam and to subjugate the Muslim peoples of Iran.[36] In 2006 Iranian officials arrested 54 Bahá'ís, mostly young people, in Shiraz.[37] In March and May 2008 the seven "senior members" who form the leadership of the Bahá'í community in Iran were arrested.[38] Indeed several agencies and experts and journals have published concerns about viewing the developments as a case of genocide: Roméo Dallaire,[39][40] Genocide Watch,[41] Sentinel Project for Genocide Prevention,[42] the journals War Crimes, Genocide, & Crimes against Humanity[2] and Journal of Genocide Research.[43] A summary of 2013 incidents of prison sentences, fines and punishments showed that these were more than twice as likely to apply to Bahá'ís as any other religious minority in Iran and that the total rate of such cases had gone up by 36% over 2012.[44]
Arrest of Bahá'í leaders
Main article: Bahá'í 7

On May 14, 2008, members of an informal body known as the Friends (Yaran) that oversaw the needs of the Bahá'í community in Iran were arrested and taken to Evin prison.[34][45] Officers from the Ministry of Intelligence in Tehran searched and raided the homes of the six people in the early hours of May 14.[46] The arrest of the six follow the detention of another Bahá'í leader in March,[34] who was originally taken to answer questions relating to the burial of a Bahá'i in the Bahá'í cemetery in Mashad.[46] The Iran Human Rights Documentation Center has stated that they are concerned for the safety of the Bahá'ís, and that the recent events are similar to the disappearance of 25 Bahá'í leaders in the early 1980s.[46] In May Amnesty International also announced an Action Alert about the arrests.[47][48] At year's end all seven members of the Bahá'í national leadership and a total of at least 40 Bahá'ís were imprisoned in Iran.[49] On February 17, 2009, Iranian state run news agency, IRNA, reported that the Bahá'í leaders had been officially accused of espionage.[50]

In June 2008 Nobel Laureate Shirin Ebadi volunteered to be their lawyer,[51] and received threats against her life for defending the Baha'i community.[52] On December 21 Ebadi's office of the Center for the Defense of Human Rights was raided and closed. On December 29, government security officers posing as tax officials raided Ebadi's private law offices, seizing office files and computers.[49] A second lawyer, Abdolfattah Soltani, reportedly taking up the case is reported to have disappeared June 16.[53]

The court case has been postponed several times, but went ahead on January 12, 2010.[54] Apparently no observers were allowed in the court, and the defence lawyers, who have had nearly no access to the defendants for two years, also had difficulty entering the court.[54] The chairman of the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom chairman said that it seems that the government has already predetermined the outcome of the case and violating international human rights law.[54] Further sessions were held on February 7, 2010,[34] April 12, 2010[55] and June 12, 2010.[56] On August 11, 2010 it became known that the court sentence was 20 years imprisonment for each of the seven prisoners[57] which was later reduced to ten years.[58] After the sentence, they were transferred to Gohardasht prison.[59] In March 2011 the sentences were reinstated to the original 20 years.[60]

There have been widespread calls from public figures, governments and organizations to the Iranian government to release the Bahá'ís, especially after the trial was announced on February 11, 2009.[61] Members of government across the world including from Brazil, the United States, Canada, Germany, the United Kingdom, the Netherlands, Spain and Australia have either released statements or sponsored resolutions condemning the government of Iran for the arrest of the Bahá'í leaders.[62][63][64][65][66] The Presidency of the European Union (EU), with the support of the EU associated countries denounced the trial.[67]

Human rights organizations have also released statements: Amnesty International has released updated Action Alerts about the trial since 2009.[68] Freedom House strongly condemned the trial,[69] and World Organisation Against Torture proposed actions to secure the freedom of the leadership and others arrested.[70] Responding to a letter from Roxana Saberi, who was in contact with two of the women Bahá'í leaders while she was in prison, the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom demanded the seven prisoners be freed rather than stand trial.[53]

There have been groups of individuals also speaking out. On February 4, 2009 267 non-Bahá'í Iranian academics, writers, artists, journalists and activists from some 21 countries including Iran signed an open letter of apology posted to Iranian.com and stating that they believed that the Bahá'ís had been deprived of their rights in the Islamic Republic, they pledged their support to achieving for the Bahá'ís in Iran the rights detailed in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.[71] British entertainers wrote an open letter printed in The Times of London about those on trial stating their solidarity with the Bahá'ís."[72] A prominent group of more than sixty professors and scholars who specialize in Middle Eastern and Iranian Studies have added their voices in protest as well.[73] Others who have spoken out include Rainn Wilson and Shohreh Aghdashloo.[74]

In February 2010, Iranian authorities detained five more members of the Bahá'ís, reportedly including Niki Khanjani, daughter of Jamaloddin Khanjani, one of seven Bahá'í leaders jailed since 2008.[75]
Arrest of 54 young people in Shiraz

On May 19, 2006 Iranian officials arrested 54 Bahá'ís, mostly young people, in Shiraz, according to representatives of the International Bahá'í Community.[37] Apparently the group was arrested during its participation in a community-service project teaching classes to underprivileged children, initiated by a local non-governmental organization.[37] The group is reported to have had in its possession a letter of permission from the Islamic Council of Shiraz to undertake this service project at the time of its arrest. The nature of the charges against the Bahá'ís is unknown at present as are the conditions under which the detainees are being held.[10][76]

On the very same day, one of the 54 Bahá'ís who had been arrested earlier but who was under the age of 15 was released without having to post bail. Several other young people who had been arrested along with the Bahá'ís but who were not themselves Bahá'í were also released without posting bail.[37]

"The arrests coincided with raids on six Bahá'í homes during which notebooks, computers, books, and other documents were confiscated," according to an article by the Bahá'í World News Service. The article further reports that since January, other than the aforementioned 54 detainees, "seven Bahá'ís have been arrested and held for periods of up to one month in Kermanshah, Isfahan and Tehran.[37][76]

On May 24, fourteen of the Bahá'ís were released, each having been required to provide deeds of property to the value of ten million tumans (approximately US$11,000).[37][77] On the following day 36 Bahá'ís were released on the strength of either personal guarantees or the deposit of work licenses with the court as surety that they'd appear when summoned to court.[77]

The last three of the group of 54 Bahá'ís were released on 14 June. Although the judge originally demanded a bond equivalent to $54,000, they were released without bail on the promise that they would return for a later court appearance. No formal charges have been made against them. However, in most cases, some form of bail, such as deeds of property, were demanded before release.[78] Currently, two Bahá'ís, arrested in Tehran and Sanandaj, remain in prison.[78]

On January 29, 2007 Iran's judiciary sentenced the 54 Bahá'í to four years in prison for propaganda against the regime. Part of the group, 51 Bahá'ís, were given suspended one-year jail sentences conditional on their attendance of courses held by the Islamic Propaganda Organisation, which is organized by the government.[79] Amnesty International has called for the release of the Bahá'ís stating that they are "detained solely because of their religious beliefs, or their peaceful activities teaching underprivileged children."[80]
Monitoring of activities

A confidential letter sent on October 29, 2005, by the Chairman of the Command Headquarters of the Armed Forces in Iran states that the Supreme Leader of Iran, Ayatollah Khamenei, has instructed the Command Headquarters to identify people who adhere to the Bahá'í faith and to monitor their activities and gather any and all information about the members of the Bahá'í Faith.[81][82] The letter was addressed to the Ministry of Information, the Revolutionary Guard and the Police Force.[82] The letter was brought to the attention of the international community by Asma Jahangir, the Special Rapporteur of the United Nations Commission on Human Rights on freedom of religion or belief, in a March 20, 2006 press release.[82]

In the press release, the Special Rapporteur states that she "is highly concerned by information she has received concerning the treatment of members of the Bahá'í community in Iran."[82] The UN's press release summarizing Ms. Jahangir's report states:
“ The Special Rapporteur is apprehensive about the initiative to monitor the activities of individuals merely because they adhere to a religion that differs from the state religion. She considers that such monitoring constitutes an impermissible and unacceptable interference with the rights of members of religious minorities. She also expresses concern that the information gained as a result of such monitoring will be used as a basis for the increased persecution of, and discrimination against, members of the Bahá'í Faith, in violation of international standards.

The Special Rapporteur on freedom of religion or belief has closely monitored the treatment of religious minorities in Iran, and has long been concerned by the systematic discrimination against members of the Bahá'í community. Since taking up the mandate in July 2004, the Special Rapporteur has intervened with the government on a number of occasions regarding the treatment of the Bahá'í community.

The Special Rapporteur is concerned that this latest development indicates that the situation with regard to religious minorities in Iran is, in fact, deteriorating.


—United Nations Commission on Human Rights on freedom of religion or belief, March 20, 2006[82]

The monitoring of Bahá'ís has also been seen in other official government documents; in a letter dated 2 May 2006 from the Trades, Production, and Technical Services Society of Kermanshah to the Iranian Union of Battery Manufacturers, it was asked of the union to provide a list of members of "the Baha'i sect” in their membership.[83] Furthermore, in a letter dated 19 August 2006, Iran's Ministry of the Interior to the Department of Politics and Security in Offices of the Governors’ General throughout Iran ordered officials to step up the surveillance of Iranian Bahá'ís throughout the country.[83][84] Among the information requested in a detailed questionnaire about the activities of local Bahá'ís is their financial status and social interactions.[83]

The Anti-Defamation League has stated that the government's effort to identify and monitor Bahá'ís is similar to what the Jews faced in the beginning of the Nazi era:[85] they wrote the orders issued were “reminiscent of the steps taken against Jews in Europe and a dangerous step toward the institution of Nuremberg-type laws.”[85]
Deaths

Amnesty International and others report that 202 Bahá’ís have been killed since the Islamic Revolution (see below).[20] The most recent death of a Bahá’í in the custody of the Iranian government occurred on Dec, 15, 2005, in the city of Yazd. Zabihullah Mahrami had been sentenced to death in 1995, but in 1999 this was commuted to life in prison.[86] His arrest was for the crime of apostasy against Islam, but he was convicted of spying for Israel. He was approximately 59 years old.[86] He died in his prison cell of unknown causes. The United States condemned the imprisonment and alleged persecution of Zabihullah Mahrami, and State Department Deputy Spokesman, Adam Ereli, said that Mr. Mahrami had received death threats in prison and been forced to perform arduous physical labour.[86]

The most recent Bahá’í execution apparently occurred in 1998, when the Iranian government hanged Ruhollah Rohani in Mashad on the charge of converting a woman to the faith though she herself stated that she had been a lifelong Bahá’í.[1] Newspaper accounts describe this as the first Bahá’í execution in six years. Death sentences had also been passed against Sirus Zabhi-Moghaddam and Hedayat Kashefi-Najabadi, which have apparently not yet been carried out and Ataollah Hamid Nazrizadeh has received a ten-year prison sentence for related offences arising from the same situation.[87]
Barriers to higher education
Main article: Bahá'í Institute for Higher Education

Bahá’í youth are not permitted to attend institutions of higher education in Iran unless prospective students identify themselves as followers of one of the four religions recognized by the state on university entrance exams.[1] The Iranian government has said that if Bahá’ís identify themselves as Muslims on the exams they would be allowed to enroll but Bahá’ís, as a matter of religious principle, refuse to dissimulate their beliefs.[2][88] Confirming these findings, an investigation by the Committee of Concerned Scientists also found that university officials in Iran had “received orders from above not to score the tests of Baha’i students,” or that these officials had suggested that a student would receive his test scores only if the student’s family renounced their faith. The Committee called for the complete publication of all test scores without discrimination.[89]

In an effort which the New York Times called "an elaborate act of communal self-preservation,"[90] the Bahá'í community in 1987 established its own program of higher education to meet the educational needs of its young people, which evolved to become known as the Bahá'í Institute for Higher Education (BIHE), whose classes were held in private homes and had an enrollment of approximately 900 students.[2][32] In 1998 (29 September - 2 October), Iranian authorities broke up the underground institution invading more than 500 homes of Bahá'í and office buildings in at least 14 cities around Iran.[91] Hundreds were arrested. In addition to books and computer equipment confiscated,[1][32] personal possessions such as silverware and refrigerators were taken in what was described as "thieve[ry] in the name of Islam."[92]

Iranian columnist Iqbal Latif calls Iran's denial of access to university education for Bahá'ís "ntellectual cleansing of their ethnic brothers by the clergy-dominated regime."[93]
Destruction of holy sites
House of the Báb, Shiraz, Iran, before being demolished and replaced with an Islamic religious center

In 1979, soon after their revolution, Iranian authorities ordered and encompassed the demolition of the House of the Báb in Shiraz. A mosque was later built on the site.

In April 2004, Iranian authorities demolished the shrine and grave site of Mullá Muḥammad ‘Alí-i-Bárfurúshi (Quddús), a Bábí leader.[2] The following June, the Tehran house of Mírzá `Abbás-i-Núrí (aka Mírzá Buzurg), Bahá'u'lláh's father, was destroyed. The previous such incident occurred in 1993 when a Bahá'í cemetery in Tehran was bulldozed in order to build a municipal centre.[1]
Media attacks

In the later months of 2005, an intensive anti-Bahá'í campaign was conducted by Iranian newspapers and radio stations. The state-run and influential Kayhan[94] newspaper, whose managing editor is appointed by Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Khamenei,[95] ran nearly three dozen articles defaming the Bahá'í Faith.[10][37] The articles, which make use of fake historical documents, engage in a distortion of history to falsely describe Bahá'í moral principles in a manner that would be offensive to Muslims, thus inducing feelings of suspicion, distrust and hatred for members of the Bahá'í community in Iran.[10][96]

The articles claim, in the face of all historical data, that the religion was invented and implanted by colonialist powers to subvert Islam and to subjugate the Muslim peoples of Iran. They use fake historical documents such as the memoirs of Prince Dolgorouki, a mid-nineteenth century Russian minister in Tehran, to substantiate their claims; the memoirs were however manufactured in Iran in 1937 and have long since been exposed as forgeries.[96]

The articles also state that the Báb, one of the Bahá'í Faith's central figures, was taught simultaneously by the Jews and the Tsarist government of Russia, even though the Tsarist government was well-known to have been unfavourable towards the Jews. The Bahá'í World Centre claims that the linking of Bahá'ís with Zionism serves to provoke suspicion and hatred towards the Bahá'ís.[96]

An Israeli mockumentary about the religion called Baha'is In My Backyard was released in 2006.[97] According to the producer, the film was pirated, professionally dubbed and streamed by an Iranian website then altered again to make serious accusations against the Bahá'ís using excerpts from the film on another Iranian website. Another attack was through national television - a "documentary" was televised called The Secret of Armageddon in the first half of 2008 which outlined a Jewish-Bahá'í conspiracy against Iranian interests.[98]

In November 2009, the popular Iranian conservative newspaper Hamshahri, known to take a critical stand towards President Ahmadinejad, was closed down temporarily, only because it published in an advertisement for tourism travel to India a photograph of a temple of the Baha'i Faith.[99][100][101] After the contested Iranian election of 2009 and the continuing unrest, the government increased its anti-Bahá'í rhetoric, blaming Bahá'ís for the demonstrations,[102] which observers have stated is without merit.[103] The government of Iran has historically defined the Bahá'ís as an 'other' to draw public attention away from the government.[104]

In October 2011 the Bahá'í International community published a report titled "Inciting Hatred: Iran's Media Campaign to Demonize Baha'is", analyzing media items between late 2009 and early 2011.[105]
Other events
The Bahá’í cemetery in Yazd

In April 2005, Diane Ala'i, Bahá’í spokesperson to the United Nations in Geneva, described other forms of persecution to the UN Commission on Human Rights:
“ The most serious outbreak occurred in Yazd, where several Bahá’ís were assaulted in their homes and beaten, a Bahá’í's shop was set on fire and burned, and others were harassed and threatened, following a series of arrests and short-term detentions. The Bahá’í cemetery in Yazd was wantonly destroyed, with cars driven over the graves, tombstones smashed and the remains of the interred left exposed.[106] ”

Ms. Ala'i also said that in March 2005, in Tehran, Iranian intelligence agents entered the homes of several Bahá’ís and spent hours ransacking their houses before carting away their possessions and taking them into custody.[106]
“ Five Bahá’ís have been imprisoned just this past month. Two were finally released on bail, but family and community members have not been able to locate those in detention. Two others, who had previously been briefly detained for nothing more than distributing copies of a courteous letter to President Khatami, have now received the maximum sentence for this so-called offence.[106] ”
“ Six more Bahá’í families recently had their homes and land confiscated, depriving them of their only means of livelihood.[106] ”

The Bahá’í's New York spokesperson, Bani Dugal, clarified some of the involved in December 2005:[107]
“ At least 59 Baha'is have been subject to various forms of arbitrary arrests, detention and imprisonment, and Baha'i young people have once again been denied the chance to attend college and university.[107] ”

Ms. Dugal said that although the majority of those Bahá’ís who have been arrested were released, nine remained in prison as of late October [2005].[107]

In May 2008 Albert Lincoln, secretary-general of the Bahá'í International Community, stated that in recent months there have been cases of arson, threats, kidnappings and beatings:
“ "People's houses and shops are being burned or bulldozed down, they are being kidnapped and beaten. Baha'i cemeteries are being plowed up, and members of the Baha'i community who have worked for the state of Iran for decades and are now retired are being asked to pay back the pensions they have received..."[108] ”
Statements
Main article: Statements about the persecution of Bahá'ís
United Nations

Since the later part of the 20th century many third party organizations have made statements regarding the persecution of Bahá'ís asking that human rights be maintained. To date, the United Nations, Amnesty International, the European Union, the United States, Brazil, Australia, New Zealand, Austria, Canada, UK, Germany, France, Netherlands, Ireland, Hungary, Norway and India have made official statements condemning the treatment of Bahá'ís abroad, in particular, in Iran.[109]

The United Nations and the United Nations Commission on Human Rights have published reports on the persecution of the Bahá'ís since the Iranian Revolution in 1979; in every year since 1984, except for 2002, the United Nations Commission on Human Rights has passed a resolution expressing concern about human rights violations against the Bahá'ís in Iran.[2] The Special Representative on Iran, Professor Galindo Pohl, Canadian Jurist and UBC Law Professor, Maurice Copithorne, and the Special Rapporteur on Religious Intolerance, Professor Abdu’l Fatah Amor, have all reported on the persecutions that the Bahá'ís have faced in Iran. For example, in 1995 the commission wrote that "... the Bahá'ís, whose existence as a viable religious community in the Islamic Republic of Iran is threatened ..."[110] and in November 2005 they wrote that "... the escalation and increased frequency of discrimination and other human rights violations against the Bahá’í [sic], including cases of arbitrary arrest and detention, the denial of freedom of religion or of publicly carrying out communal affairs, the disregard of property rights, the destruction of sites of religious importance, the suspension of social, educational and community-related activities and the denial of access to higher education, employment, pensions, adequate housing and other benefits ...".[111]

Amnesty International has also documented the persecution of the Bahá'í community in Iran. For example in 1998 it gave statements regarding the execution of a Bahá'í prisoner: "Amnesty International unreservedly condemns the execution of Ruhullah Rouhani and fears that he was executed for the nonviolent expression of his beliefs. Amnesty International currently knows of seven cases of Bahá'í prisoners under the sentence of death and is calling for commutation of these and all other death sentences without delay"[112]
European Union

The European Union in the 2004 EU Annual Report on Human Rights wrote:
“ There has not been discernible progress in the key areas of concern. Concern was also reiterated at the destruction of the Bahá'í holy site at Babol and the refusal of the authorities to allow the dignified re-interment of the remains it contains.[113] ”

Then in a speech given at the European Parliament in October 2005 on behalf of the European Commissioner for Education, Training, Culture and Multilingualism, Jan Figel said:
“ Regarding the actual situation of human rights in Iran, there is a growing cause for concern. There are other serious issues of concern which have emerged recently: ... the arrest of members of the Bahá'í Faith.[114] ”

The United States Department of State Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor stated in the 2004 Report on International Religious Freedom that "The Government harasses the Bahá'í community by arresting Bahá'ís arbitrarily,"[115] that "the property rights of Bahá'ís are generally disregarded, ... the Government has confiscated large numbers of private and business properties belonging to Bahá'ís,"[115] and that "Public and private universities continue to deny admittance to Bahá'í students"[115]

The Iranian government responds to these statements by saying that Bahá'ís are enemies of the state, were supporters of the former Shah's government and spies employed by imperialist governments of the West.[2] The Ayatollah Khomeini, even before his return to Iran said in an interview that he believed that Bahá'ís were traitors — Zionists — and enemies of Islam.[116]

The Iranian representative to the United Nations tried several times, albeit unsuccessfully, between 1982 and 1984 to convince the United Nations diplomatic community that the Bahá'í Faith is a politicized organization with a record of criminal activism against the Iranian government[2] and not a legitimate religion like Judaism, Christianity, and Zoroastrianism which are protected under Iranian law;[32] Iran has not acknowledged that the Bahá'í Faith is a religion.[32] The United Nations responded to the Iranian government's accusations by stating that there has been no evidence of Iran's claims and that the Bahá'í community in Iran professes its allegiance to the state. The United Nations pointed to the Bahá'í teaching of obedience to the government of one's country and stated that any involvement in any subversive acts against the government would be antithetical to precepts of the Bahá'í religion.[20] The United Nations also stated that if the Iranian government did acknowledge that the Bahá'í Faith is a religion, it would be an admission that freedom of religion does not apply to all in Iran and that it is not abiding by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and International Covenants on Human Rights to which it is a signatory.[32]

There are many Iranians who have published how and why Iranians think of Bahá'ís as outsiders. Dr. Mohammad Tavakoli, a Muslim-Iranian, who is a Professor of Middle Eastern Studies at the University of Toronto presents in Iran-Nameh, a Persian language academic journal, a study that examines the processes that led to the ghettoization and eventual "othering" of the Bahá'ís in Iran by the political and religious forces within Iranian society.[117]
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Doc, filibuster does not work, nor filibuster is in America's interest

There are many Bahai in Iran, many university professors Bahai, they all well known and respected, they good people like any other Iranian

but

Iranian law, since 1915, forbids "converting", missionary work .. meaning, neither Muslims nor Jews nor Christians nor Zoroastrians nor Bahai are allowed to go into villages and convert people to their's .. this against Iranian law last 100+ yrs .. In Bhai'sm, missionary work is an "obligation", a duty, a conflict with Iranian law .. Is "Scientology" not outlawed in Germany ? ? .. logic & moral behind that law (exists in all ME), is, peaceful and harmony "coexistence" of different beliefs, otherwise, if each wanted to convert the other to their's, it would lead to clashes

But

America's issues with Blacks is totally different ballgame .. best explained by Thomas Jefferson in that FT article

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After Brown autopsy, mom wants officer arrested


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Please stay on topic which is Ferguson Missouri, not Fergustan Bananastan.

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Typhoon wrote:Please stay on topic which is Ferguson Missouri, not Fergustan Bananastan.

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Interesting .. nobody, neither Merkel nor Cameron, nobody saying anything, not even mentioning Ferguson

Hmmmmm


“The targeted discrimination against the black in America by the US police and the judicial system and the suppression of protesters… are clear instances of violations of human rights of people of color in the US,” Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Marzieh Afkham said on Tuesday.


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KKK raising money for Ferguson police officer


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"We are setting up a reward/fund for the police officer who shot this thug," wrote Murray, whose group is based in South Carolina. "He is a hero! We need more white cops who are anti-Zog and willing to put Jewish controlled black thugs in their place. Most cops are cowards and do nothing while 90% of interracial crime is black (and non-white) on white."

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KKK raising money for Ferguson police officer


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http://rt.com/usa/181404-kkk-fundraisin ... n-officer/

"We are setting up a reward/fund for the police officer who shot this thug," wrote Murray, whose group is based in South Carolina. "He is a hero! We need more white cops who are anti-Zog and willing to put Jewish controlled black thugs in their place. Most cops are cowards and do nothing while 90% of interracial crime is black (and non-white) on white."
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last time I heard the KKK was raising money for Hamas... :roll:



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HuffingtonPost : Trayvon Martin's Mother Pens Heartbreaking Letter To Michael Brown's Family


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WASHINGTON - Sybrina Fulton, the mother of teenaged shooting victim Trayvon Martin, has written a heartbreaking letter to the family of Michael Brown, the unarmed teenager who was shot and killed by a Ferguson, Missouri police officer earlier this month.

Published Monday by Time magazine, Fulton's letter draws on her experience following the 2012 shooting of her son, 17 at the time, by a neighborhood watch volunteer, George Zimmerman. Tried for manslaughter, Zimmerman was acquitted by a jury, under Florida's controversial "Stand Your Ground" law.

In her letter to the Brown family, Fulton offers wise counsel, both about how to deal with being in the spotlight, and how to honor your child's memory.

"You will ... hear character assassinations about Michael which I am certain you already have. This will incense and insult you. All of this will happen before and continue long after you have had the chance to lay your son to rest," Fulton writes. "I know this because I lived and continue to live this."


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Doc, it ain't Azari, all world watching .. this thing not going away .. it is SYSTEMIC .. pls read that FT article "Thomas Jefferson" :)

Interesting, Michele Obama (nor Obama himself) saying anything .. a proof Kein Präsident der Schwarzen

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Heracleum Persicum wrote:Doc, it ain't Azari, .. this thing not going away .. it is SYSTEMIC ..
Keep in mind that a cop lays his life on the line every time he goes to work.

And you're right, it is systemic . . but maybe not the systemic you have in mind . . some of this victim-crap has been going on a long, long time.

We don't see Pakistanis, Indians, Native Americans, Asians, Irishmen, Jews, etc., etc., etc. rioting and looting and burning over and over and over again yet some of those people are people of color and all of them have been despised minorities at one time or another.

Systemic indeed . . .
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Heracleum Persicum wrote:Doc, it ain't Azari, .. this thing not going away .. it is SYSTEMIC ..
You're right, it is systemic . . but maybe not the systemic you have in mind . . some of this victim-crap has been going on a long, long time . . a cop lays his life on the line every time he goes to work.

I do not blame the cop, he probably shot in reflex

But, how can a city 2/3 black have all white "city counsel" and a white police chief ? ? .. forget how that "City Council" was (supposedly) elected, but, a "city counsel" NOT reflecting the 2/3 black community would not care about those blacks, resulting in high unemployment and the consequence of that .. all this means, nobody cared about the (black) community, they "corruptly" elected a white city council AND a white police chief to nail down any black who dares to .. result was black community sank and sank into poverty much more than the white .. this probably happening all over US, many statistics available .. this SYSTEMIC

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Main Scheme Media Trying to Get Police & Families Killed....

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Heracleum Persicum wrote:Doc, it ain't Azari, .. this thing not going away .. it is SYSTEMIC ..
Keep in mind that a cop lays his life on the line every time he goes to work.

And you're right, it is systemic . . but maybe not the systemic you have in mind . . some of this victim-crap has been going on a long, long time.

We don't see Pakistanis, Indians, Native Americans, Asians, Irishmen, Jews, etc., etc., etc. rioting and looting and burning over and over and over again yet some of those people are people of color and all of them have been despised minorities at one time or another.

Systemic indeed . . .
Thank You VERY MUCH for your post, Marcus.
Keep in mind that a cop lays his life on the line every time he goes to work.
Quite correct and the libtards in the MSM and worse are by the evidence are trying to get them killed without a trial :evil:

Is the media trying to get Ferguson police office Darren Wilson lynched?

CNN broadcast a report Friday that showed the house, including the street number, of the Ferguson police officer who police say shot Mike Brown. The officer has been in hiding due to death threats since the shooting last Saturday. His name, Darren Wilson, was just released Friday morning.

Another news outlet apologized for broadcasting video of Wilson’s home while others have virtually drawn a map to Wilson’s house for those bent on vengeance.

Yahoo News named the community Wilson where Wilson resides and published a photograph of the officer.

The UK Daily Mail also named the community, posted photos of the officer and gave a description of the house.

USA Today also named the community and reported a local police presence.

The Washington Post named the street where Wilson lives.

In the video report, CNN reporter Ed Lavandera is seen walking in the street where Wilson lives. The CNN video shows a wide view of Wilson’s house and then pans around the street to show its relative position in the neighborhood. While Lavandera does not name the street, he gives its approximate location.

Every news report says neighbors told them Wilson has not been home for several days.

A version of the video being aired by CNN affiliate Newschannel 13 in Orlando, Florida (and likely other affiliates around the country including the St. Louis market) shows a brief close-up of the house number by the front door such that someone could freeze and enlarge the image to get the address.

The version of the report available online at CNN has that footage edited and replaced with a close-up of a front window of Wilson’s house.

St. Louis TV station KSDK, which like USA Today is owned by Gannett, issued an apology Saturday afternoon for broadcasting video of Wilson’s home.

“Yesterday KSDK showed the video of the Ferguson Police Officer’s home in our 5 p.m. news but did not mention the address of the home. KSDK immediately felt using that video was a mistake and pulled the video of the home from future newscasts and from our web site. We have not used the video since then and do not intend to do so. We apologize to our audience, to the surrounding neighborhoods, to the greater St.Louis community and to the officer for our mistake.”

CNN’s video is still available online while Newschannel 13 is repeating the report on the hour as of this writing.

A local newspaper named the street where Wilson lives, adding that the area high school closed and sent students home when Wilson’s name was made public. Local police reportedly monitored the streets to ensure the safety from any potential lynch mob of the school kids heading home.

In the aftermath of the Trayvon Martin shooting George Zimmerman had to go in to hiding even though he had not been charged with a crime. Additionally, his parents were forced to flee their home as the lynch mob threatened them too. Incorrect addresses for the Zimmermans were sent out on social media forcing others to flee in terror for fear of being mistaken for the Zimmermans.

Who would have guessed that mob rule would be the rule in 21st Century America?
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Heracleum Persicum wrote:. . how can a city 2/3 black have all white "city counsel" and a white police chief ? ? .. forget how that "City Council" was (supposedly) elected, but, a "city counsel" NOT reflecting the 2/3 black community would not care about those blacks, resulting in high unemployment and the consequence of that .. all this means, nobody cared about the (black) community, they "corruptly" elected a white city council AND a white police chief to nail down any black who dares to .. result was black community sank and sank into poverty much more than the white .. this probably happening all over US, many statistics available .. this SYSTEMIC.

How? Easy . . those who vote get counted.

And a white city council results in high [black] unemployment? I don't buy it, ALI, the only thing I ever saw that resulted in unemployment was sitting on your ass. How did the Irish manage? How did our Koreans manage? Our Pakistanis?

No, as far as I know, the majority of Black Americans are just like everyone else . . hard-working, every-day folks. That said, the Black community is also host to a permanent bunch of whiners and self-proclaimed victims ready to riot, loot, and burn at the slightest excuse.
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Heracleum Persicum wrote:. . how can a city 2/3 black have all white "city counsel" and a white police chief ? ? .. forget how that "City Council" was (supposedly) elected, but, a "city counsel" NOT reflecting the 2/3 black community would not care about those blacks, resulting in high unemployment and the consequence of that .. all this means, nobody cared about the (black) community, they "corruptly" elected a white city council AND a white police chief to nail down any black who dares to .. result was black community sank and sank into poverty much more than the white .. this probably happening all over US, many statistics available .. this SYSTEMIC.

How? Easy . . those who vote get counted.

And a white city council results in high [black] unemployment? I don't buy it, ALI, the only thing I ever saw that resulted in unemployment was sitting on your ass. How did the Irish manage? How did our Koreans manage? Our Pakistanis?

No, as far as I know, the majority of Black Americans are just like everyone else . . hard-working, every-day folks. That said, the Black community is also host to a permanent bunch of whiners and self-proclaimed victims ready to riot, loot, and burn at the slightest excuse.
Thank You VERY MUCH for your post, Marcus!
How? Easy . . those who vote get counted.
BINGO!

Said better than I planned to do.... ;)

Also channeling Mr. Perfect imperfectly ;) .......

Blacks as a political group are notorious for voting for for certain white folks ;) Liberal Progressive DemocRATS who come to take their votes for granted :roll:

Can be smart to occasionally vote for the other side so that both sides work at getting your vote :idea:

Some whites are stupid this way too..Yellow Dog DemocRATS..Will vote for a Yellow Dog if it is a DemocRAT :roll:
No, as far as I know, the majority of Black Americans are just like everyone else . . hard-working, every-day folks. That said, the Black community is also host to a permanent bunch of whiners and self-proclaimed victims ready to riot, loot, and burn at the slightest excuse.
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Love some of them better :D than some of the whites in the clan :shock: :roll:

But there are some who Chris Rock describes QUITE well.... :roll:
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Rumor has it that the grand jury is not to charge the officer and that the friend of Brown's has recanted his original story.

edit: obviously the person who told me this is not paying attention. And neither was I. But I'm up to date now.
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It is true that the police, nationwide, are in need of demilitarization.

It is also true that the Ferguson police have proven themselves to be oafish Keystone Cop types. Watching another night of confrontations occurring is the perfect example of how it is getting to a point where they are as inflammatory to the disorder as the rioters.

What hasn't been so convincing is the narrative of oppression as an excuse for the rioting. Ferguson is not a particularly violent or in great degradation. It is mainly working class and falls below average in terms of crime for most areas of comparable size (with the exception of a high rate of stolen vehicles than average.) The cops own incompetence thus far is a testament to how "small town" the place actually is. Asking people to not drink in the streets is not harassment. If this were New York City or LA, I could see it much more clearly. But the way this is playing out versus the known facts on the ground, it is making me a lot less sympathetic to the self proclaimed 'black community' leaders that are trying to sell me on this being another skein of racial relations that America is hanging herself with.
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Marcus wrote:
Heracleum Persicum wrote:. . how can a city 2/3 black have all white "city counsel" and a white police chief ? ? .. forget how that "City Council" was (supposedly) elected, but, a "city counsel" NOT reflecting the 2/3 black community would not care about those blacks, resulting in high unemployment and the consequence of that .. all this means, nobody cared about the (black) community, they "corruptly" elected a white city council AND a white police chief to nail down any black who dares to .. result was black community sank and sank into poverty much more than the white .. this probably happening all over US, many statistics available .. this SYSTEMIC.

How? Easy . . those who vote get counted.

And a white city council results in high [black] unemployment? I don't buy it, ALI, the only thing I ever saw that resulted in unemployment was sitting on your ass. How did the Irish manage? How did our Koreans manage? Our Pakistanis?

No, as far as I know, the majority of Black Americans are just like everyone else . . hard-working, every-day folks. That said, the Black community is also host to a permanent bunch of whiners and self-proclaimed victims ready to riot, loot, and burn at the slightest excuse.

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Marcus, have to admit, neither lived in America nor stayed for long, just occasional (many) trips .. in that sense, can not validate or not what I see & read in Western (and non western) foreign media

In a nutshell, what you saying above, is, those all white city council was elected because vast majority black population voted for them and blacks in America lazy folks and deserve where they are.

Unfortunately, Marcus, facts on the ground do not support what you saying .. that article from Financial Times of London, bastion of western conservatism, for sure no sympatisan of Blacks, explains all .. I post it below again for your kind attention





FT : Jefferson’s doubts about black American citizenship still exist :lol:


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In his Notes on the State of Virginia, Thomas Jefferson argued that if – as he hoped – America’s black slaves were one day set free, the result would be conflict and an inevitable descent into racial war.

And in the hours after Governor Jay Nixon imposed a night-time curfew on the Missouri town of Ferguson following the killing there of an unarmed teenager by a police officer earlier this month, it is indeed reasonable to wonder whether a form of war (sometimes hot, sometimes cold) has been waged against blacks in America from Jefferson’s time until our own.

It is hardly uncommon in the US for a young black man to die under questionable circumstances at the hands of the police. Many blacks have stories about young men they knew, or knew of, who were killed this way. When I was at school, a black teenage boy in my home town died in police custody. The officers spun a wildly implausible tale about what had happened to justify the teenager’s killing. Our tiny black community ached at its inability to achieve justice in a town still firmly gripped by the legacy of Jim Crow.

Jefferson saw slavery as a state of war between master and slave. It was a legal institution that categorised blacks as property and gave all whites authority over every black person. Even after it was destroyed, the law and the officers who enforced it remained a useful way of keeping blacks in an inferior position – in particular, of policing the movement and behaviour of black men.

This was not war as Jefferson envisaged it, but the post-slavery experiences of black people were consonant with his predictions. Black people, he said, would never forget the wrongs done to them in slavery and the white majority would never overcome its “deep rooted prejudices” against black people. And this, he feared, would undercut America’s republican experiment – for it would discredit a republic founded on the egalitarian principles eloquently set forth in the American Declaration of Independence.

That document, which insists that all men are equal and entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, would lose much of its power if the society formed in its image contained a permanent group of second-class citizens. And so Jefferson offered separation as the most viable solution. Blacks would have to leave the US to find true citizenship in a country of their own.

Perhaps nothing Jefferson ever wrote has caused more outrage and, in some quarters, ridicule among present-day Americans who have come to take a diverse America and black American citizenship for granted. That these thoughts should come from the author of what has been called the American creed seems particularly dispiriting to those who hope we will, one day, “overcome”. Yet in the two centuries since the Notes were published, the doubts Jefferson expressed about the true quality of black American citizenship have hardly been eliminated.

This is not to suggest that criminals should not be punished or to argue that law enforcement is anything other than an essential cornerstone of any society based on law. It is to say that the “deep rooted prejudices” that Jefferson spoke of have warped this vital social function – and made black people, particularly young black men, presumptive felons outside the boundaries of full citizenship.

If you examine the record of police conduct – from instances of brutal treatment of blacks in custody, to stop-and-frisk policies that disrupt the lives of innocent people in black communities, to racial disparities in drug arrests and sentencing – that is surely the conclusion you must draw.

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UN rights chief says : Scenes recall South African apartheid .. Urges US to study "root causes" of racism


Pakistani or Bangladeshi or Muslim or Jewish are a very small minority, each, max, 1 or 2 percent of population .. but the blacks are 18% of American population .. 18% is a major part of population and that leads to issues that America has with Black population .. Outside America, everybody openly saying and now confirmed by "UN rights chief", America a "stealth" South Africa style "Apartheid" country, and, unfortunately, fact on the ground, confirm this

Question not whether above true .. question, what to do about it .. doing nothing is not an option, would lead to disaster for American society .. 18% blacks are too many to declare them terrorist, or chase them out .. and .. when and if Black conclude they have no chance, white grip on them too tight, well, when AND if so, next time, things might deteriorate beyond control .. things nearly got out of control in L.A. Rodney King and now this

I think, America should learn from other nations (wink wink) who "consist" of major size different "ethnics and races" living without discrimination in peace and EQUAL prosperity for all .. one such nation comet to mind :D


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Trevon Martin, Mike Brown, myself, my brothers, the guys I knew as a teenager...... teen age males and cops..... nothing new to see here!

Only difference is how the media covers it when race is involved. Race baiting sells almost as well as doomer porn. We doth love our excuses.

Maybe if only women were cops it would be different. All the male cops know what they were like as teens and may be over reactive and suspicious as a result.

When someone armed with a night stick, pepper spray, a tazer, and a gun tells you to do something..... the only reason you might not listen, is if you think they won't use those weapons, or if you think you can "take him." Perhaps teen age hormones influence both thinking and behavior.

Thinking back, if given the choice between getting tazed (if tazers existed then), getting pepper sprayed, getting a night stick to the head, or having the cop contact my parents....... I would gladly take any of the first three, or all of the first three, rather than the fourth. I could always explain away the bruises or the pepper spray stain as part of my stupidity. Explaining away the cop's version of events would not have been possible.

Dad siding with me against the cop? That wasn't going to happen. See above. Dad also remembered his teen age years.

Waaaaayyyy baaaaaack when, a lot of parents thought that their kids getting in to trouble was a bad reflection on them as parents, rather than a statement on the unjustness/unfairness/inequality of society...... Weird huh?

Could parents not raising their children be more of a factor than race or racism?

Too bad Tiger Moms have gone out of style.......When Tiger Moms are outlawed, only outlaws will have Tiger Moms...... well, OK, that really doesn't work.
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In a nutshell, what you saying above, is, those all white city council was elected because vast majority black population voted for them and blacks in America lazy folks and deserve where they are.
The report I heard was this town had an large influx of black citizens recently. It takes a while for politicians and civil servants to reflect that change, but I bet there will be a lot of activity next election cycle.

And a black police chief faster than you can say " Blazing Saddles".
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Nonc Hilaire wrote:
In a nutshell, what you saying above, is, those all white city council was elected because vast majority black population voted for them and blacks in America lazy folks and deserve where they are.
The report I heard was this town had an large influx of black citizens recently. It takes a while for politicians and civil servants to reflect that change, but I bet there will be a lot of activity next election cycle.

And a black police chief faster than you can say " Blazing Saddles".
Or "Hedley Lamarr"

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Heracleum Persicum wrote:Marcus, have to admit, neither lived in America nor stayed for long, just occasional (many) trips .. in that sense, can not validate or not what I see & read in Western (and non western) foreign media

In a nutshell, what you saying above, is, those all white city council was elected because vast majority black population voted for them and blacks in America lazy folks and deserve where they are.

Unfortunately, Marcus, facts on the ground do not support what you saying .. that article from Financial Times of London, bastion of western conservatism, for sure no sympatisan of Blacks, explains all .. I post it below again for your kind attention

Pakistani or Bangladeshi or Muslim or Jewish are a very small minority, each, max, 1 or 2 percent of population .. but the blacks are 18% of American population .. 18% is a major part of population and that leads to issues that America has with Black population .. Outside America, everybody openly saying and now confirmed by "UN rights chief", America a "stealth" South Africa style "Apartheid" country, and, unfortunately, fact on the ground, confirm this

Question not whether above true .. question, what to do about it .. doing nothing is not an option, would lead to disaster for American society .. 18% blacks are too many to declare them terrorist, or chase them out .. and .. when and if Black conclude they have no chance, white grip on them too tight, well, when AND if so, next time, things might deteriorate beyond control .. things nearly got out of control in L.A. Rodney King and now this

I think, America should learn from other nations (wink wink) who "consist" of major size different "ethnics and races" living without discrimination in peace and EQUAL prosperity for all .. one such nation comet to mind.


ALI,

Though Blacks may comprise 18% of the American population, the vast majority of Blacks are just like everyone else . . hard-working, every-day folks. You can't paint all American Blacks as whiners, rioters, and looters because of the antics of a few. America has no problems with race, America has a problems with laziness and free-loaders of any color who think they're owed something.

I've lived in the North, and I've lived in the South . . the small town we lived in in Texas, overwhelmingly White, had a Black, lady mayor. Our mail lady up here is Black. No big deal . . except for those peddling the politics of envy.
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Marcus wrote:
Heracleum Persicum wrote:Marcus, have to admit, neither lived in America nor stayed for long, just occasional (many) trips .. in that sense, can not validate or not what I see & read in Western (and non western) foreign media

In a nutshell, what you saying above, is, those all white city council was elected because vast majority black population voted for them and blacks in America lazy folks and deserve where they are.

Unfortunately, Marcus, facts on the ground do not support what you saying .. that article from Financial Times of London, bastion of western conservatism, for sure no sympatisan of Blacks, explains all .. I post it below again for your kind attention

Pakistani or Bangladeshi or Muslim or Jewish are a very small minority, each, max, 1 or 2 percent of population .. but the blacks are 18% of American population .. 18% is a major part of population and that leads to issues that America has with Black population .. Outside America, everybody openly saying and now confirmed by "UN rights chief", America a "stealth" South Africa style "Apartheid" country, and, unfortunately, fact on the ground, confirm this

Question not whether above true .. question, what to do about it .. doing nothing is not an option, would lead to disaster for American society .. 18% blacks are too many to declare them terrorist, or chase them out .. and .. when and if Black conclude they have no chance, white grip on them too tight, well, when AND if so, next time, things might deteriorate beyond control .. things nearly got out of control in L.A. Rodney King and now this

I think, America should learn from other nations (wink wink) who "consist" of major size different "ethnics and races" living without discrimination in peace and EQUAL prosperity for all .. one such nation comet to mind.


ALI,

Though Blacks may comprise 18% of the American population, the vast majority of Blacks are just like everyone else . . hard-working, every-day folks. You can't paint all American Blacks as whiners, rioters, and looters because of the antics of a few. America has no problems with race, America has a problems with laziness and free-loaders of any color who think they're owed something.

I've lived in the North, and I've lived in the South . . the small town we lived in in Texas, overwhelmingly White, had a Black, lady mayor. Our mail lady up here is Black.
Thank You VERY MUCH for your post, Marcus.

Double checking my memory with Google/Wikipedia that Hispanos are now No.1 among minorities and Blacks considerably less than 18%......
White Americans (non-Hispanic/Latino and Hispanic/Latino) are the racial majority, with a 72% share of the U.S. population, according to the 2010 U.S. Census.[6] Hispanic and Latino Americans amount to 15% of the population, making up the largest minority.[5] African Americans are the largest racial minority, amounting to nearly 13% of the population.[4][6]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_e ... ted_States

Currently one problem Democrat party Blacks have is that with Hispanos now with higher numbers and population rate increase the DemocRAT leaders are starting cater more to Hispanos than Blacks.... Recalling that some Blacks were saying that they wanted money like obama the Liar was asking for the recent wave of illegals coming across the border...

IMO it might be better for Blacks to vary who they vote for more... Elect a Republican or Independent every once in a while to the signal the DemocRAT gang leaders in Congress not to take them for granted... Same for some Yellow Dog Democrat Whites and others...

Not that this is going to matter if things go nationally as they are going in my clan ;) ... Mixing ever more rapidly...
to the point that now some "White" members have parents that are rather brown :idea: ...

Becoming the Mongrel ;) Race with hybrid vigor and children like a litter of cute kittens.. Red/Brown, Yellow, Black, White... Or as some in the clan say "The UN" ;) :lol:
I've lived in the North, and I've lived in the South . . the small town we lived in in Texas, overwhelmingly White, had a Black, lady mayor. Our mail lady up here is Black.
WOW! Similar experience except that the Mayor in the White town was a man.
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http://nypost.com/2014/08/19/cop-involv ... et-report/
Cop involved in Ferguson shooting has fractured eye socket: report

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The black teen killed by a white cop in Ferguson, Mo., viciously attacked the officer as he sat in his patrol car, delivering a bone-crunching punch that shattered the cop’s eye socket, a report claimed Tuesday.

Officer Darren Wilson suffered an “orbital blowout fracture to the eye socket,” Gateway Pundit reported, citing sources in the St. Louis County Police Department and the DA’s office.

Wilson, who shot unarmed 18-year-old Michael Brown on Aug. 9, has not spoken publicly about the shooting, and is currently holed up at an undisclosed location.

A close friend revealed text messages the pair exchanged in which the cop said he is under 24-hour guard and “can’t go out,” the Daily Mail reported.

Jake Shepard, a nurse who has been friends with Wilson for 14 years, said Wilson did the right thing by defending himself against the hulking teen.

Wilson’s first text was sent last Friday after Shepard spoke to CNN in support of his pal.

“Thanks buddy I wasn’t expecting that,” Wilson wrote.

“No problem buddy, you deserve it,” Shepard responded, to which Wilson replied, “It means a lot thank you.”

Wilson texted him again on Monday, saying, “The support is really keeping me going during this stressful time. Just stay safe. I appreciate all you have done.”

Meanwhile, tensions flared in St. Louis — four miles from where Brown was slain — when cops killed a knife-wielding robbery suspect shouting, “Shoot me now! Kill me now!,” authorities said.

The shooting happened about 12:30 p.m. local time after the unidentified man had swiped energy drinks and pastries, St. Louis Police Chief Sam Dotson said.

“The suspect, who right now is described as a 23-year-old African-American, was acting erratically — walking back and forth up and down the street,” Dotson told reporters.

“As officers arrived, the suspect turned towards the officers and started to walk towards them clutching his waistband. He then pulled out a knife . . . and told the officers, ‘Shoot me now! Kill me now!’ ” the chief said.

“One of the witnesses described it as a suicide by cop.”

Cops said the shooting had no connection to the Ferguson case, describing it as an isolated incident.

But a crowd of about 100 gathered at the scene, some of them chanting “Hands up! Don’t shoot!” — the same refrain chanted by protesters in Ferguson.

The St. Louis cops involved in the shooting were placed on administrative duty according to department policy, Dotson said. Their identities were not revealed and neither officer’s race was immediately disclosed.

In Ferguson, officials called yet again for calm after at least 31 people were arrested overnight Monday into Tuesday — including a self-styled Communist revolutionary from Brooklyn.

Travis Morales was charged with refusal to disperse after he ignored cops’ orders to move, sources said.
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A Vine video shows a man believed to be Morales — clad in a T-shirt that reads “Revolution, Nothing Less” — arguing with cops before his arrest.

State Highway Patrol Capt. Ron Johnson ripped Morales and other outside agitators for bringing violence to Ferguson.

“I am not going to let the criminals that have come here from across this country, or live in this neighborhood, define this community,” Johnson said.

About 17 others busted were also from out of state, including demonstrators from Chicago and other parts of Illinois, Alabama, Iowa, California, Washington, DC, and Austin, Texas.

Two people were shot overnight, but neither shooting involved the police. However, cops did fire multiple canisters of tear gas to disperse rioters and prevent further looting.

Also Tuesday, Benjamin Crump, an attorney for Brown’s family, said the teen’s funeral and memorial service would be held Monday.
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