Ukraine

[Doc]

.

https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/ar ... ted-states

Ukraine has become a proxy war for the United States

Russia’s outright defeat is now paramount to Washington, rather than peace in Ukraine.

Trouncing Putin will remove an old foe, undermine the alliance between Moscow and Beijing, and allow the US to refocus total hostility on China

Poor Ukrainians
.

"has become" ?? And when was the objective other than bleeding Russia out? Russia is after all the CCP's proxy in Ukraine. Though as far as I can tell so is the Biden Admin.

[Heracleum Persicum]

.

https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2022/04/1 ... n-election



Good analysis of Le pen chances in French election in Video (don't worry re PressTv , excellent Paris reporter)

Looks like her chance now is real

.

[Heracleum Persicum]

.

https://www.northernbeachesreview.com.a ... ope%20said.


https://www.scmp.com/news/world/europe/ ... ks_for_you

"The refugees are divided. First class, second class, by skin colour, whether you come from a developed country or a non-developed one.

"We are racists. And that's bad," the Pope said.

Yes
.

[Nonc Hilaire]

C6132B33-64BC-43D2-B0D4-77E9AEEF1629.jpeg (1.71 MiB) Viewed 1814 times

[Doc]

How could Putin be so foolish as to go to war against a country with a National Anthem such as this

Glory To Ukraine !! Glory to the Heroes !!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtEyXAFUbC4

mtEyXAFUbC4

What a disaster !! What a disaster !!

[Heracleum Persicum]

.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/0 ... ng-crisis/

https://www.rt.com/news/554019-poll-bri ... inflation/

Conducted by Redfield and Wilton Strategies and commissioned by The Sunday Telegraph, the survey indicates that only 36% of the respondents polled this week are prepared to accept higher fuel prices in order to hurt Russia more.

A third of the Britons surveyed replied in the negative when asked if they were willing to pay more for food to help Ukraine withstand the Russian offensive. Another third, however, said it’s a sacrifice worth making.

Around 54% of the respondents reported a worsening of their financial situation in the last year, up from 42% two months ago, and 62% said they expect the future to be even bleaker.

More than two-thirds of Britons said they have not received a pay raise despite the growing cost of living, and most of those who did receive a raise said it’s not enough to offset inflation.

Based on these latest findings, The Telegraph surmised that personal financial woes may now have overshadowed concern over Russia’s military offensive against Ukraine in the eyes of the general public in the UK.

.

[Heracleum Persicum]

.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfjN5_6AA2U

rfjN5_6AA2U

teleSUR is funded in whole or in part by multiple Latin American governments .. WiKi

Latin American, African, Indian etc , they all have their own reporters on the ground in Ukraine and report what is going on

[Typhoon]

278128698_296662575979535_4901259186825072363_n.jpg (183.6 KiB) Viewed 1763 times

[Typhoon]

.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfjN5_6AA2U

rfjN5_6AA2U

teleSUR is funded in whole or in part by multiple Latin American governments .. WiKi

Indeed.

The actual Wikiped entry:

Telesur (officially stylized as teleSUR) is a Latin American terrestrial and satellite television network headquartered in Caracas, Venezuela and sponsored primarily by the government of Venezuela,[1] with additional funding from the governments of Cuba and Nicaragua.[2] It was launched in 2005, under the government of Hugo Chávez, with the aim of being "a Latin socialist answer to CNN".[1]

In other words, a pure agitprop operation.

Pro tip. If you plan to be a Russophile propagandist, don't quit your day job.

[Heracleum Persicum]

.


https://youtu.be/-fNrnWxXhP0?t=576


A "must watch" ..

There are those who speak so bad about Russians, nobody likes Russia, bad mouthing Russia, please watch this, to get educated about the facts and learn history .. I lived in Munich Germany when Reinhard Gehlen was in charge .. pls watch

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehlen_Organization

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhard_Gehlen


I think anybody wanting to express opinion about Russia and Ukraine war right now should watch the above clip .. otherwise he does not know what he is talking

--

Nato's purpose was to contain Russia and not absorb Russia, therefore rejected Russia become NATO member

He pretty much expert, knows what he talking

Look, folks, this must be an intelligent debate, not BS against BS .. so, get informed of real facts and argue based on those facts

Pls watch this Scott Ritter clip and get your facts .. this is not from "Russophile" or lefti rubbish, these are FACTS .. at least get your facts right before distorting them

Pls watch

.

[Doc]

.


https://youtu.be/-fNrnWxXhP0?t=576


A "must watch" ..

There are those who speak so bad about Russians, nobody likes Russia, bad mouthing Russia, please watch this, to get educated about the facts and learn history .. I lived in Munich Germany when Reinhard Gehlen was in charge .. pls watch

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehlen_Organization

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhard_Gehlen


I think anybody wanting to express opinion about Russia and Ukraine war right now should watch the above clip .. otherwise he does not know what he is talking

--

Nato's purpose was to contain Russia and not absorb Russia, therefore rejected Russia become NATO member

He pretty much expert, knows what he talking

Look, folks, this must be an intelligent debate, not BS against BS .. so, get informed of real facts and argue based on those facts

Pls watch this Scott Ritter clip and get your facts .. this is not from "Russophile" or lefti rubbish, these are FACTS .. at least get your facts right before distorting them

Pls watch

.

I knew it was trouble when the bombs started falling on Serbia. That still does not excuse Putin for invading. Unless of course you want to argue that Russia did not actually invade Ukraine. As for the Intermediate missiles the CCP forced that by making and deploying their own. Russia was an economic basket case after 1991. No one wanted to invest their "peace dividend" in rebuilding Russia. And everyone was seeing big profits in China

[noddy]

no need for debate, its either moral to bomb cities of innoncents or its not.

America and Russia both - in the middle east have been on the wrong side of that line - doesnt matter what the broader geopolitical rational is.

why not hold Russia in Ukraine to the same standard, its just bullshit.

the NATO explanation is nonsense, you have to ignore all the work done by Germany to integrate Russia into Europe.

Russia took that leverage and abused it - very simple.

this marketing companies global analysis is kind of interesting - cant garuntee its true - the countries that blame the USA for everything, versus the countries that know Russia.

qsb7yjrqu0u81.jpg (52.09 KiB) Viewed 1722 times

America is one of the top anti american countries

[Heracleum Persicum]

.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fNrnWxXhP0&t=576s



CIA director William J. Burns, at that time US Ambassador in Russia : Nyet means Nyet


Doc, noddy , Nonc Hilaire, NapLajoieonSteroids, Parodite , pls take time and watch the uTube to the end ..

Scott Ritter is a top expert , highly respected , highly knowledgeable, undisputed American patriot, no tree hugger lefti .. he the face of a "Good America", America that one looks up to

Watch what he says

Establishment fooling American Joe will boomerang and hit American interest as truth is coming out and will be known

Bucha massacre victims were Ukrainians who took help from Russians .. After Russians left, Ukrainian nationalist Nazi came in and killed them, Scott Ritter explains in detail

All , Pls watch the video ..
.

[Heracleum Persicum]

.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQSTHvD2z1c


jQSTHvD2z1c

Part 2



Explains what Russians doing .. for those who think Russia losing
.

[Doc]

.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fNrnWxXhP0&t=576s



CIA director William J. Burns, at that time US Ambassador in Russia : Nyet means Nyet


Doc, noddy , Nonc Hilaire, NapLajoieonSteroids, Parodite , pls take time and watch the uTube to the end ..

Scott Ritter is a top expert , highly respected , highly knowledgeable, undisputed American patriot, no tree hugger lefti .. he the face of a "Good America", America that one looks up to

Watch what he says

Establishment fooling American Joe will boomerang and hit American interest as truth is coming out and will be known

Bucha massacre victims were Ukrainians who took help from Russians .. After Russians left, Ukrainian nationalist Nazi came in and killed them, Scott Ritter explains in detail

All , Pls watch the video ..
.

But if Putin never invaded Ukraine there would not have been a Bucha massacre. Not to mention that Sat photos from right before the Ukrainian army took back Bucha show bodies laying among burned out cars that match what was found and shown in photographs after the Ukrainian army took back Bucha. There is not much you can do to refute that.

[Heracleum Persicum]

But if Putin never invaded Ukraine there would not have been a Bucha massacre. Not to mention that Sat photos from right before the Ukrainian army took back Bucha show bodies laying among burned out cars that match what was found and shown in photographs after the Ukrainian army took back Bucha. There is not much you can do to refute that.

Doc, please watch Scott Ritter saying what happened is Bucha, please watch to know the truth


https://youtu.be/jQSTHvD2z1c?t=675


Doc, the blood of all those hands tied in the back and shot in the head will follow all those who lie who killed them, we must know who killed them.

.

[Doc]

But if Putin never invaded Ukraine there would not have been a Bucha massacre. Not to mention that Sat photos from right before the Ukrainian army took back Bucha show bodies laying among burned out cars that match what was found and shown in photographs after the Ukrainian army took back Bucha. There is not much you can do to refute that.

Doc, please watch Scott Ritter saying what happened is Bucha, please watch to know the truth


https://youtu.be/jQSTHvD2z1c?t=675


Doc, the blood of all those hands tied in the back and shot in the head will follow all those who lie who killed them, we must know who killed them.

.

Putin just gave the battalion that occupied Bucha metals.

Putin is getting pretty paranoid. Given he has nukes this is not a good thing.

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/russi ... d/1066023/

Russians Arrest Black Sea Admiral

[noddy]

What if we ignore the pro american voices and the pro russian voices.

what if we ask the slavic people who live near russia, surely they understand the situtation with more clarity than all the talking heads.

csm_UST_Grafik2_Bilaterale-Hilfen_EN_6957ab61ce.png (153.96 KiB) Viewed 1680 times

[Heracleum Persicum]

What if we ignore the pro american voices and the pro russian voices.

what if we ask the slavic people who live near russia, surely they understand the situation with more clarity than all the talking heads.


csm_UST_Grafik2_Bilaterale-Hilfen_EN_6957ab61ce.png

noddy, this not about popularity contest, who likes whom ?

Do Mexicans love Americans ?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y6kAwm7uIs


Neighbours, clashes they had during 1000s of yrs next to each other, usually not in love with each other.

But

In present Ukraine-Russia clash "what we want to know" is the true story .. what is the story since "Catherine the great", say 1750 .. especially since 1900

Whether Pole or Estonians or Latvians love Russians or Ukrainians beside the point.

Unfortunately, we in an age that nobody loves nobody .. only Iranians still do things for Humanität, for the rest it is all "Dollar and Cents"
.

[Typhoon]

278564256_299900368989089_2505999885828574173_n.jpg (261.36 KiB) Viewed 1662 times

[Typhoon]

no need for debate, its either moral to bomb cities of innoncents or its not.

America and Russia both - in the middle east have been on the wrong side of that line - doesnt matter what the broader geopolitical rational is.

why not hold Russia in Ukraine to the same standard, its just bullshit.

the NATO explanation is nonsense, you have to ignore all the work done by Germany to integrate Russia into Europe.

Russia took that leverage and abused it - very simple.

this marketing companies global analysis is kind of interesting - cant garuntee its true - the countries that blame the USA for everything, versus the countries that know Russia.

qsb7yjrqu0u81.jpg

America is one of the top anti american countries

Yanks such as Scott Ritter may know something about the ME based upon experience.
However, sitting in the US and bloviating on youtube, he know less than zero about Ukraine.

Or as a friend from a nation formerly occupied by Soviet-Russia put it

I-will-not-assume-that-I-know-Russia-better.jpg (159.07 KiB) Viewed 1662 times

[Mr. Perfect]

All that and $10 won’t get you a Starbucks anymore.

Media drop off on the conflict is precipitous, I would guess that means Ukraine is not winning, despite sexy President.

CNN says nobody knows where the donated weapons are going. My guess is donating to Ukraine is like donating to Black Lives Matter. Some nice houses are coming out of it but we won’t know who got them for a while longer.

Western leftist standing around with @#$& in hands, forgot he already cut them off.

*CFR types have been retweeting a Ukraine flash mob singing a song of defiance. Castrated left literally has kumbaya as defense strategy.

[Heracleum Persicum]

All that and $10 won’t get you a Starbucks anymore.

Media drop off on the conflict is precipitous, I would guess that means Ukraine is not winning, despite sexy President.

CNN says nobody knows where the donated weapons are going. My guess is donating to Ukraine is like donating to Black Lives Matter. Some nice houses are coming out of it but we won’t know who got them for a while longer.

Western leftist standing around with @#$& in hands, forgot he already cut them off.

*CFR types have been retweeting a Ukraine flash mob singing a song of defiance. Castrated left literally has kumbaya as defense strategy.

Ukraine on top of all corrupt nations .. pretty much safe to assume lots of those western arms are sold to highest bidders everywhere in world .. lots of people need the latest anti tank shoulder missiles .. we will know where they ended when they use them.

Yes, Ukraine losing as Scott Ritter explains in detail.

Wonder what is the use of shutting down alternative media in west and bombarding western Joe with fake PR in western media ?
.

[Mr. Perfect]

Scott Ritter? Which link was that.

[Heracleum Persicum]

Scott Ritter? Which link was that.

.

Doc, pls watch

https://youtu.be/jQSTHvD2z1c?t=670


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fNrnWxXhP0&t=576s




viewtopic.php?f=22&t=4337&start=900#p160656

viewtopic.php?f=22&t=4337&start=900#p160654

viewtopic.php?f=22&t=4337&start=900#p160665

viewtopic.php?f=22&t=4337&start=900#p160666