"has become" ?? And when was the objective other than bleeding Russia out? Russia is after all the CCP's proxy in Ukraine. Though as far as I can tell so is the Biden Admin.Heracleum Persicum wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 3:46 am .
https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/ar ... ted-states
Ukraine has become a proxy war for the United States
Russia’s outright defeat is now paramount to Washington, rather than peace in Ukraine.
Trouncing Putin will remove an old foe, undermine the alliance between Moscow and Beijing, and allow the US to refocus total hostility on China
Poor Ukrainians
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Ukraine
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https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2022/04/1 ... n-election
Good analysis of Le pen chances in French election in Video (don't worry re PressTv , excellent Paris reporter)
Looks like her chance now is real
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https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2022/04/1 ... n-election
Good analysis of Le pen chances in French election in Video (don't worry re PressTv , excellent Paris reporter)
Looks like her chance now is real
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https://www.northernbeachesreview.com.a ... ope%20said.
https://www.scmp.com/news/world/europe/ ... ks_for_you
Yes
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https://www.northernbeachesreview.com.a ... ope%20said.
https://www.scmp.com/news/world/europe/ ... ks_for_you
"The refugees are divided. First class, second class, by skin colour, whether you come from a developed country or a non-developed one.
"We are racists. And that's bad," the Pope said.
Yes
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How could Putin be so foolish as to go to war against a country with a National Anthem such as this
Glory To Ukraine !! Glory to the Heroes !!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtEyXAFUbC4
mtEyXAFUbC4
What a disaster !! What a disaster !!
Glory To Ukraine !! Glory to the Heroes !!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtEyXAFUbC4
mtEyXAFUbC4
What a disaster !! What a disaster !!
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/0 ... ng-crisis/
https://www.rt.com/news/554019-poll-bri ... inflation/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/0 ... ng-crisis/
https://www.rt.com/news/554019-poll-bri ... inflation/
.Conducted by Redfield and Wilton Strategies and commissioned by The Sunday Telegraph, the survey indicates that only 36% of the respondents polled this week are prepared to accept higher fuel prices in order to hurt Russia more.
A third of the Britons surveyed replied in the negative when asked if they were willing to pay more for food to help Ukraine withstand the Russian offensive. Another third, however, said it’s a sacrifice worth making.
Around 54% of the respondents reported a worsening of their financial situation in the last year, up from 42% two months ago, and 62% said they expect the future to be even bleaker.
More than two-thirds of Britons said they have not received a pay raise despite the growing cost of living, and most of those who did receive a raise said it’s not enough to offset inflation.
Based on these latest findings, The Telegraph surmised that personal financial woes may now have overshadowed concern over Russia’s military offensive against Ukraine in the eyes of the general public in the UK.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfjN5_6AA2U
rfjN5_6AA2U
Latin American, African, Indian etc , they all have their own reporters on the ground in Ukraine and report what is going on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfjN5_6AA2U
rfjN5_6AA2U
teleSUR is funded in whole or in part by multiple Latin American governments .. WiKi
Latin American, African, Indian etc , they all have their own reporters on the ground in Ukraine and report what is going on
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Indeed.Heracleum Persicum wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:04 pm .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfjN5_6AA2U
rfjN5_6AA2U
teleSUR is funded in whole or in part by multiple Latin American governments .. WiKi
The actual Wikiped entry:
In other words, a pure agitprop operation.Telesur (officially stylized as teleSUR) is a Latin American terrestrial and satellite television network headquartered in Caracas, Venezuela and sponsored primarily by the government of Venezuela,[1] with additional funding from the governments of Cuba and Nicaragua.[2] It was launched in 2005, under the government of Hugo Chávez, with the aim of being "a Latin socialist answer to CNN".[1]
Pro tip. If you plan to be a Russophile propagandist, don't quit your day job.
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https://youtu.be/-fNrnWxXhP0?t=576
A "must watch" ..
There are those who speak so bad about Russians, nobody likes Russia, bad mouthing Russia, please watch this, to get educated about the facts and learn history .. I lived in Munich Germany when Reinhard Gehlen was in charge .. pls watch
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehlen_Organization
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhard_Gehlen
I think anybody wanting to express opinion about Russia and Ukraine war right now should watch the above clip .. otherwise he does not know what he is talking
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Nato's purpose was to contain Russia and not absorb Russia, therefore rejected Russia become NATO member
He pretty much expert, knows what he talking
Look, folks, this must be an intelligent debate, not BS against BS .. so, get informed of real facts and argue based on those facts
Pls watch this Scott Ritter clip and get your facts .. this is not from "Russophile" or lefti rubbish, these are FACTS .. at least get your facts right before distorting them
Pls watch
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https://youtu.be/-fNrnWxXhP0?t=576
A "must watch" ..
There are those who speak so bad about Russians, nobody likes Russia, bad mouthing Russia, please watch this, to get educated about the facts and learn history .. I lived in Munich Germany when Reinhard Gehlen was in charge .. pls watch
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehlen_Organization
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhard_Gehlen
I think anybody wanting to express opinion about Russia and Ukraine war right now should watch the above clip .. otherwise he does not know what he is talking
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Nato's purpose was to contain Russia and not absorb Russia, therefore rejected Russia become NATO member
He pretty much expert, knows what he talking
Look, folks, this must be an intelligent debate, not BS against BS .. so, get informed of real facts and argue based on those facts
Pls watch this Scott Ritter clip and get your facts .. this is not from "Russophile" or lefti rubbish, these are FACTS .. at least get your facts right before distorting them
Pls watch
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I knew it was trouble when the bombs started falling on Serbia. That still does not excuse Putin for invading. Unless of course you want to argue that Russia did not actually invade Ukraine. As for the Intermediate missiles the CCP forced that by making and deploying their own. Russia was an economic basket case after 1991. No one wanted to invest their "peace dividend" in rebuilding Russia. And everyone was seeing big profits in ChinaHeracleum Persicum wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 5:28 am .
https://youtu.be/-fNrnWxXhP0?t=576
A "must watch" ..
There are those who speak so bad about Russians, nobody likes Russia, bad mouthing Russia, please watch this, to get educated about the facts and learn history .. I lived in Munich Germany when Reinhard Gehlen was in charge .. pls watch
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehlen_Organization
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhard_Gehlen
I think anybody wanting to express opinion about Russia and Ukraine war right now should watch the above clip .. otherwise he does not know what he is talking
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Nato's purpose was to contain Russia and not absorb Russia, therefore rejected Russia become NATO member
He pretty much expert, knows what he talking
Look, folks, this must be an intelligent debate, not BS against BS .. so, get informed of real facts and argue based on those facts
Pls watch this Scott Ritter clip and get your facts .. this is not from "Russophile" or lefti rubbish, these are FACTS .. at least get your facts right before distorting them
Pls watch
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no need for debate, its either moral to bomb cities of innoncents or its not.
America and Russia both - in the middle east have been on the wrong side of that line - doesnt matter what the broader geopolitical rational is.
why not hold Russia in Ukraine to the same standard, its just bullshit.
the NATO explanation is nonsense, you have to ignore all the work done by Germany to integrate Russia into Europe.
Russia took that leverage and abused it - very simple.
this marketing companies global analysis is kind of interesting - cant garuntee its true - the countries that blame the USA for everything, versus the countries that know Russia.
America is one of the top anti american countries
America and Russia both - in the middle east have been on the wrong side of that line - doesnt matter what the broader geopolitical rational is.
why not hold Russia in Ukraine to the same standard, its just bullshit.
the NATO explanation is nonsense, you have to ignore all the work done by Germany to integrate Russia into Europe.
Russia took that leverage and abused it - very simple.
this marketing companies global analysis is kind of interesting - cant garuntee its true - the countries that blame the USA for everything, versus the countries that know Russia.
America is one of the top anti american countries
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fNrnWxXhP0&t=576s
CIA director William J. Burns, at that time US Ambassador in Russia : Nyet means Nyet
Doc, noddy , Nonc Hilaire, NapLajoieonSteroids, Parodite , pls take time and watch the uTube to the end ..
Scott Ritter is a top expert , highly respected , highly knowledgeable, undisputed American patriot, no tree hugger lefti .. he the face of a "Good America", America that one looks up to
Watch what he says
Establishment fooling American Joe will boomerang and hit American interest as truth is coming out and will be known
Bucha massacre victims were Ukrainians who took help from Russians .. After Russians left, Ukrainian nationalist Nazi came in and killed them, Scott Ritter explains in detail
All , Pls watch the video ..
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fNrnWxXhP0&t=576s
CIA director William J. Burns, at that time US Ambassador in Russia : Nyet means Nyet
Doc, noddy , Nonc Hilaire, NapLajoieonSteroids, Parodite , pls take time and watch the uTube to the end ..
Scott Ritter is a top expert , highly respected , highly knowledgeable, undisputed American patriot, no tree hugger lefti .. he the face of a "Good America", America that one looks up to
Watch what he says
Establishment fooling American Joe will boomerang and hit American interest as truth is coming out and will be known
Bucha massacre victims were Ukrainians who took help from Russians .. After Russians left, Ukrainian nationalist Nazi came in and killed them, Scott Ritter explains in detail
All , Pls watch the video ..
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQSTHvD2z1c
jQSTHvD2z1c
Part 2
Explains what Russians doing .. for those who think Russia losing
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQSTHvD2z1c
jQSTHvD2z1c
Part 2
Explains what Russians doing .. for those who think Russia losing
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Heracleum Persicum wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 6:21 pm .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fNrnWxXhP0&t=576s
CIA director William J. Burns, at that time US Ambassador in Russia : Nyet means Nyet
Doc, noddy , Nonc Hilaire, NapLajoieonSteroids, Parodite , pls take time and watch the uTube to the end ..
Scott Ritter is a top expert , highly respected , highly knowledgeable, undisputed American patriot, no tree hugger lefti .. he the face of a "Good America", America that one looks up to
Watch what he says
Establishment fooling American Joe will boomerang and hit American interest as truth is coming out and will be known
Bucha massacre victims were Ukrainians who took help from Russians .. After Russians left, Ukrainian nationalist Nazi came in and killed them, Scott Ritter explains in detail
All , Pls watch the video ..
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But if Putin never invaded Ukraine there would not have been a Bucha massacre. Not to mention that Sat photos from right before the Ukrainian army took back Bucha show bodies laying among burned out cars that match what was found and shown in photographs after the Ukrainian army took back Bucha. There is not much you can do to refute that.
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Doc wrote:
But if Putin never invaded Ukraine there would not have been a Bucha massacre. Not to mention that Sat photos from right before the Ukrainian army took back Bucha show bodies laying among burned out cars that match what was found and shown in photographs after the Ukrainian army took back Bucha. There is not much you can do to refute that.
Doc, please watch Scott Ritter saying what happened is Bucha, please watch to know the truth
https://youtu.be/jQSTHvD2z1c?t=675
Doc, the blood of all those hands tied in the back and shot in the head will follow all those who lie who killed them, we must know who killed them.
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Putin just gave the battalion that occupied Bucha metals.Heracleum Persicum wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 9:34 pmDoc wrote:
But if Putin never invaded Ukraine there would not have been a Bucha massacre. Not to mention that Sat photos from right before the Ukrainian army took back Bucha show bodies laying among burned out cars that match what was found and shown in photographs after the Ukrainian army took back Bucha. There is not much you can do to refute that.
Doc, please watch Scott Ritter saying what happened is Bucha, please watch to know the truth
https://youtu.be/jQSTHvD2z1c?t=675
Doc, the blood of all those hands tied in the back and shot in the head will follow all those who lie who killed them, we must know who killed them.
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Putin is getting pretty paranoid. Given he has nukes this is not a good thing.
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/russi ... d/1066023/
Russians Arrest Black Sea Admiral
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What if we ignore the pro american voices and the pro russian voices.
what if we ask the slavic people who live near russia, surely they understand the situtation with more clarity than all the talking heads.
what if we ask the slavic people who live near russia, surely they understand the situtation with more clarity than all the talking heads.
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noddy, this not about popularity contest, who likes whom ?
Do Mexicans love Americans ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y6kAwm7uIs
Neighbours, clashes they had during 1000s of yrs next to each other, usually not in love with each other.
But
In present Ukraine-Russia clash "what we want to know" is the true story .. what is the story since "Catherine the great", say 1750 .. especially since 1900
Whether Pole or Estonians or Latvians love Russians or Ukrainians beside the point.
Unfortunately, we in an age that nobody loves nobody .. only Iranians still do things for Humanität, for the rest it is all "Dollar and Cents"
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May the gods preserve and defend me from self-righteous altruists; I can defend myself from my enemies and my friends.
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Yanks such as Scott Ritter may know something about the ME based upon experience.noddy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 8:50 am no need for debate, its either moral to bomb cities of innoncents or its not.
America and Russia both - in the middle east have been on the wrong side of that line - doesnt matter what the broader geopolitical rational is.
why not hold Russia in Ukraine to the same standard, its just bullshit.
the NATO explanation is nonsense, you have to ignore all the work done by Germany to integrate Russia into Europe.
Russia took that leverage and abused it - very simple.
this marketing companies global analysis is kind of interesting - cant garuntee its true - the countries that blame the USA for everything, versus the countries that know Russia.
qsb7yjrqu0u81.jpg
America is one of the top anti american countries
However, sitting in the US and bloviating on youtube, he know less than zero about Ukraine.
Or as a friend from a nation formerly occupied by Soviet-Russia put it
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All that and $10 won’t get you a Starbucks anymore.
Media drop off on the conflict is precipitous, I would guess that means Ukraine is not winning, despite sexy President.
CNN says nobody knows where the donated weapons are going. My guess is donating to Ukraine is like donating to Black Lives Matter. Some nice houses are coming out of it but we won’t know who got them for a while longer.
Western leftist standing around with @#$& in hands, forgot he already cut them off.
*CFR types have been retweeting a Ukraine flash mob singing a song of defiance. Castrated left literally has kumbaya as defense strategy.
Media drop off on the conflict is precipitous, I would guess that means Ukraine is not winning, despite sexy President.
CNN says nobody knows where the donated weapons are going. My guess is donating to Ukraine is like donating to Black Lives Matter. Some nice houses are coming out of it but we won’t know who got them for a while longer.
Western leftist standing around with @#$& in hands, forgot he already cut them off.
*CFR types have been retweeting a Ukraine flash mob singing a song of defiance. Castrated left literally has kumbaya as defense strategy.
Censorship isn't necessary
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Mr. Perfect wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 4:13 am All that and $10 won’t get you a Starbucks anymore.
Media drop off on the conflict is precipitous, I would guess that means Ukraine is not winning, despite sexy President.
CNN says nobody knows where the donated weapons are going. My guess is donating to Ukraine is like donating to Black Lives Matter. Some nice houses are coming out of it but we won’t know who got them for a while longer.
Western leftist standing around with @#$& in hands, forgot he already cut them off.
*CFR types have been retweeting a Ukraine flash mob singing a song of defiance. Castrated left literally has kumbaya as defense strategy.
Ukraine on top of all corrupt nations .. pretty much safe to assume lots of those western arms are sold to highest bidders everywhere in world .. lots of people need the latest anti tank shoulder missiles .. we will know where they ended when they use them.
Yes, Ukraine losing as Scott Ritter explains in detail.
Wonder what is the use of shutting down alternative media in west and bombarding western Joe with fake PR in western media ?
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