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Also from Mike Whitney:


Why do Americans hate Putin? - Mike Whitney, The Unz Review, 22 November 2022
https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/why-do-ame ... ate-putin/

Why do Americans hate Putin?

Tucker Carlson thinks he knows. Here’s what he said:

“… Democrats in Washington have told you it’s your patriotic duty to hate Vladimir Putin. It’s not a suggestion. It’s a mandate. Anything less than hatred for Putin is treason.

Many Americans have obeyed this directive. They now dutifully hate Vladimir Putin. Maybe you’re one of them. Hating Putin has become the central purpose of America’s foreign policy. It’s the main thing that we talk about. Entire cable channels are now devoted to it. Very soon, that hatred of Vladimir Putin could bring the United States into a conflict in Eastern Europe.

Before that happens, it might be worth asking yourself: What is this really about? Why do I hate Putin so much? Has Putin ever called me a racist? Has he threatened to get me fired for disagreeing with him? Has he shipped every middle-class job in my town to Russia? Did he manufacture a worldwide pandemic that wrecked my business and kept me indoors for two years? Is he teaching my children to embrace racial discrimination? Is he making fentanyl?” (Tucker Carlson,”Americans have been trained to hate Putin, and will suffer because of it“, Fox News)

Is Carlson right, do Americans hate Putin because the media and the political class in Washington have told them to do so?

Yes and no. Yes, the media and the politicians have played a big role in the demonization of Putin. But, no, they’re not the main drivers of this smear campaign. That designation belongs to the plutocrats behind-the-scenes who use the media to attack Putin in order to promote their own globalist agenda. That’s what’s really going on; the news is being shaped to advance the interests of elites.

After all, what do the American people really know about Putin? Have they ever listened his speeches or read his statements following meetings with other world leaders? Have they ever tuned-in to his marathon 4-hour “ask-anything” Q&A sessions? Have they ever read transcripts of his interviews where he speaks candidly on critical policy issues, culture or religion?

No, of course, not. Everything Americans know about Putin they read in the media. And that’s the problem, because media despises Putin. And they despise him for the same reason they despise Trump, because the media’s wealthy owners see him as a threat to their political agenda. That’s the whole deal in a nutshell. Putin is not hated because he is a “KGB thug” or a “new Hitler”; that’s just public relations gibberish. He’s hated because he is an obstacle to the globalists achieving their geopolitical objectives. That’s the motive that drives this smear campaign. Putin has blocked them in Chechnya, South Ossetia, Syria and now Ukraine. He has derailed their grand plan to “pivot to Asia” and to encircle China with US military bases. He has been a thorn in their side for the better part of two decades and he has thrown a wrench in their loony plan to crush emerging centers of power and rule the world for the next century. That’s why they hate him, and that’s why they use their media to make you hate him, too. Check out this chart from a recent report at Pew Research:
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Too much crap coming from US soil lately. The aforementioned cycloptic US madness is increasing, the ability to make sense of the rest of the world guided by a moral center further evaporating. Europe better cut ties with its NATO allie asap and start spending 10% GDP on military. Or just disintegrate itself, start another pan-European war aiming at max destruction. It is no longer safe to suck US titty for security. The blind leading the blind.
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Parodite wrote: Sat Feb 11, 2023 11:37 pm Too much crap coming from US soil lately. The aforementioned cycloptic US madness is increasing, the ability to make sense of the rest of the world guided by a moral center further evaporating. Europe better cut ties with its NATO allie asap and start spending 10% GDP on military. Or just disintegrate itself, start another pan-European war aiming at max destruction. It is no longer safe to suck US titty for security. The blind leading the blind.

Seconded :lol:
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George Friedman in a speech from 2015 at The Chicago Council of Global Affairs.


https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/the-crisis ... t-germany/


Germany is what makes or brake Europe.

Look, Iran already did the "footwork" .. US not US used 2B "dadi Bush" time

We already in 2 Poll world

Now best time and opportunity for Europe to be the nucleus of the 3rd Poll and gather international allies

European have it's own distinct national interest for many reason .. at the surface Europe and US look same civilization and culture .. but Europeans very different from Americans .. real culture different

In final analysis Russia is European, in culture and civilization

For Europeans Russia not enemy US might think

Germans and French were no "LoviDovi" for 100s of yrs .. AND ? they now good friends
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Breaking Russia ?
More like breaking ourselves

America’s days as the primary player in Europe will close fast without a radical policy shift on Ukraine



This is the thinking. And, my friends, I’m here to tell you this is the same kind of two-dimensional analysis that got us mired in the failed Middle East wars of the last 20 years. While there may not (yet) be large US armies in Ukraine, the fact remains that the same kind of wishful thinking that got us stuck in Iraq has now ensnared the United States in an unwinnable war in Ukraine.

Think about it: we’re told that Volodymyr Zelensky, the Ukrainian leader, is Winston Churchill. Certainly, Zelensky is doing his best to save his nation and that is an admirable act. Despite his good press in the West, however, he’s less Churchill and more Ahmed Chalabi.

..

If Washington continues pouring its resources, time and prestige into Ukraine’s lost cause, then the results will be as catastrophic for us as they were for Europe in 1914—and a Western victory under those conditions is not assured.

Whether Russia wins in Ukraine is not as important as what the ongoing conflict there will do both to the NATO alliance and America’s staying power in Europe. Presently, America’s days as the primary player in Europe are closing fast unless a radical policy reorientation can be affected.

Yes, Europe will look at this and say, where is Europe's national interest .. Is Russia as enemy or as friend in long term Europe's interest ?
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Heracleum Persicum wrote: Sun Feb 12, 2023 12:21 am . . .

In final analysis Russia is European, in culture and civilization

. . .
Hardly.

Russia completely missed out on the Enlightenment and instead went from feudal serfdom to [Christian] Orthodoxy, Autocracy, and Nationality | Правосла́вие, самодержа́вие, наро́дность to communist serfdom and now back to Правосла́вие, самодержа́вие, наро́дность.

In retrospect, I should have placed Russia in a Central Asia category with all the 'Stans.
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Typhoon wrote: Sun Feb 12, 2023 7:32 am
Heracleum Persicum wrote: Sun Feb 12, 2023 12:21 am . . .

In final analysis Russia is European, in culture and civilization

. . .
Hardly.

Russia completely missed out on the Enlightenment and instead went from feudal serfdom to [Christian] Orthodoxy, Autocracy, and Nationality | Правосла́вие, самодержа́вие, наро́дность to communist serfdom and now back to Правосла́вие, самодержа́вие, наро́дность.

In retrospect, I should have placed Russia in a Central Asia category with all the 'Stans.


That is not how Europe and Europeans think


Europeans consider Russia one of their own

Many European companies, despite US pressure, stayed in Russia and Russia still major business partner with many European countries.

https://www.rt.com/business/571294-aust ... operation/
Most of the 650 Austrian firms working in the Russian market have stayed

..

.. entrepreneurs in both countries “are showing great interest in the continuation of mutually beneficial cooperation.” He added that despite facing “unprecedented pressure,” only a “handful” of Austrian companies have opted to leave Russia.

The envoy pointed at numbers which indicate that Russia remained among Austria’s top ten trade partners in 2022. It also ranked sixth in terms of export volumes “despite the desire of the Austrian authorities to freeze everything connected with Russia,” Lyubinsky stated.
Most European politicians now in power were elected pre Ukraine war .. Europeans now will decide next election what they want .. more and more "right faction" will will, and they not anti Russia

Also, dont discount German and European "industry" .. they want "cheap energy, cheap metal, cheap roh material - and market" .. LNG will not do the job for Europe , Band Aid.

German industry if not able to export to Russia , China , Iran and maybe soon Brazil or Argentina .. where else to export ?
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Europe is not one happy family, more like a neighborhood with a shared history, mostly a very bloody one. That history does include Russia, but only culturally. Politically Russia so far missed the boat. It remains to be seen who/what comes after the latest abusive mafia "Tzar" Midget Putin.

There is IMHO only one "holy law" necessary in Europe and elsewhere: to respect all national borders once and for all. Not because they are God-given, holy or historically just; they aren't. They represent eons of bloody territorial wars.

Russia will not be able to cure itself politically into a more civilized community when those imperial wet dreams do not come to an end. Putin sinned against that holy law invading Ukraine and re-opened the gates of hell for which he will pay a big price; unfortunately tens of thousands of others did already and many more will follow.

It can be argued (I won't ;p ) that it is worth another big war between NATO and Russia, with nukes if so it be, to kill that sore fascist core of the Russian psychopath once and for all and have it reduced to the size it originally had before the "Muscovites" felt entitled to f'ck and sh't around beyond the size of their actual "greatness" that never was really great; which explains why they will always fail.
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Parodite wrote: Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:07 pm Europe is not one happy family, more like a neighborhood with a shared history, mostly a very bloody one. That history does include Russia, but only culturally. Politically Russia so far missed the boat. It remains to be seen who/what comes after the latest abusive mafia "Tzar" Midget Putin.

There is IMHO only one "holy law" necessary in Europe and elsewhere: to respect all national borders once and for all. Not because they are God-given, holy or historically just; they aren't. They represent eons of bloody territorial wars.

Russia will not be able to cure itself politically into a more civilized community when those imperial wet dreams do not come to an end. Putin sinned against that holy law invading Ukraine and re-opened the gates of hell for which he will pay a big price; unfortunately tens of thousands of others did already and many more will follow.

It can be argued (I won't ;p ) that it is worth another big war between NATO and Russia, with nukes if so it be, to kill that sore fascist core of the Russian psychopath once and for all and have it reduced to the size it originally had before the "Muscovites" felt entitled to f'ck and sh't around beyond the size of their actual "greatness" that never was really great; which explains why they will always fail.


Above attitude is the "malaise" West is in .. considering West as center of civilization, looking down to other cultures and civilizations.

Unfortunately

Bonaparte thought that way, aDolf seconded .. and .. "could be" this still be dominant Western view.

This view seen in Western view of Iran, China, India, Africa, Latino, Indonesia and Philippine etc etc .. they still looked at how Churchill and aDolf looked at them

Hope was, Europe, after WW-2, would grow up .. but .. unfortunately .. Western "elite" hid the issue at heart of WW-2 , and faked the history, leaving, and even, doubling down on those mindset of post 1900 Europe, confusing Western New generation.

A nuke war will not happen as West lost the nuke "monopoly".

Well, let's sit down and watch the "German New Generation" .. As George Friedman correctly said (posted the article above), "Germany is the brain and muscle of Europe", they decide where things will go.
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HP: IMO the issue is not Western arrogance: arrogance occures in all cultures. People want to feel superior to others, it is of all times and places. Part of human nature. The desire to compete and win can nicely be channeled and regulated in sports and economic activity. Financial success is not a dirty word everywhere; in most places it is not. Arrogance doesn't necessarily lead to war or colonial abuse; when paired with confidence and a morally sound compass that informs your behavior.

Real issue is how you organize politics and power structures in society. Meaning: in what type of society do most people in the world want to live? What most people want and need is superior; that would also be my definition of what "superior" means. Most Europeans want what most Russians, Ukrainians, Iranians, Iraqis, North Americans, South Americans, Chinese, Indians... all want. Not have same culture and exact same social values.. those are always unique. Diversity enriches society and the world as a whole. But the core needs and wants are the same for almost everybody.

The vast majority people want peace instead of war; democratic rights for men and women; good education; freedom of expression and religion; freedom and ability to travel inside and outside your country; enough wealth generated by a functional economy.

The vast majority of all people are really good people. What this majority wants is superior. There will always be minorities who want to play different games that usually generate misery: those misery-makers are also equally distributed among all the peoples of the world. The psychopaths, sociopaths, opportunists, and a new type to be added: the spectrum-autistic buro-technocrats who are the perfect architects and builders of the now emerging global systems of crowd control and mass surveillance. A tyranny that even Putin can't escape. :P
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Parodite wrote: Sun Feb 12, 2023 11:12 pm HP: IMO the issue is not Western arrogance: arrogance occures in all cultures. People want to feel superior to others, it is of all times and places. Part of human nature. The desire to compete and win can nicely be channeled and regulated in sports and economic activity. Financial success is not a dirty word everywhere; in most places it is not. Arrogance doesn't necessarily lead to war or colonial abuse; when paired with confidence and a morally sound compass that informs your behavior.


Look @ China being the # 1 GDP in the world for 1000s of yrs.

Look @ Pomegranates dominating known world (except China) for 1000 of yrs


And

Look at Western world (meaning Western Europeans, Brits, Spaniard, Portuguese, French, Dutch and a few others) dominating world last 500 yrs.


There a fundamental difference.


China and Pomegranates relation with their world was based on "win-win" .. That is why Pomegranates could keep an empire bordering China to Nile in peace for 1000 yrs .. it was a win-win for all Satraph's

Same with China

Western, European, relation with the outer world .. was .. based on "plunder", enslaving, wiping out - it was big big "WIN-LOSE" .. Europeans plundered and wiped out (all North and South American, Africa, Indonesia, Oceania, indigini), PLUNDERED .. and .. enslaved.


Why all that ? why so ?

We must go back to year 323 BC

At that time Helenic democracy was "slave based" democracy .. that means economy was based on "free labour" .. EXPLOTATION of other human beings

That was taken over later by Romans and later by European colonial powers

In contrary, Persian empire, was based on "Paid Labour" .. British Museums has all the paid list of labour building the Persepolis.

Persian empire "respected" all other nations, tribes , people .. that one can see on the walls in present Persepolis showing different artisans from all over the world, men and women, with respect.

Unfortunately, Pomegranates lost, Alexander won 323 BC , that's why we @ where we now :oops:

If Alexander had lost and Pomegranates had won, there would have been to colonialism, no WW1 no WW2 no Hitler and no MAO and no Stalin


That mindset, Western and Eastern (Persian and Chinese and Indian) still same

Europe now scarred that Chinese or Pomegranates rising, they would do same as West did (exploit) others .. that is why West confronting China and others.

https://youtu.be/_jV5hEaRsd0?t=214
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Parodite wrote: Sun Feb 12, 2023 11:12 pm HP: IMO the issue is not Western arrogance: arrogance occures in all cultures. People want to feel superior to others, it is of all times and places. Part of human nature. The desire to compete and win can nicely be channeled and regulated in sports and economic activity. Financial success is not a dirty word everywhere; in most places it is not. Arrogance doesn't necessarily lead to war or colonial abuse; when paired with confidence and a morally sound compass that informs your behavior.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8SKblpc7kY



“Europe Is a Garden. The Rest of the World Is a Jungle, and the Jungle Could Invade the Garden”

https://www.jpost.com/international/article-719895

https://mronline.org/2022/10/19/in-neoc ... ic-jungle/

https://www.opindia.com/2022/10/eu-fore ... -a-jungle/


Well, Borrell says the truth, that's how West looks at the world

West looks at Chinese and Iranians as SAVAGES :lol:
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Heracleum Persicum wrote: Sun Feb 12, 2023 11:55 pm
Parodite wrote: Sun Feb 12, 2023 11:12 pm HP: IMO the issue is not Western arrogance: arrogance occures in all cultures. People want to feel superior to others, it is of all times and places. Part of human nature. The desire to compete and win can nicely be channeled and regulated in sports and economic activity. Financial success is not a dirty word everywhere; in most places it is not. Arrogance doesn't necessarily lead to war or colonial abuse; when paired with confidence and a morally sound compass that informs your behavior.


Look @ China being the # 1 GDP in the world for 1000s of yrs.

Look @ Pomegranates dominating known world (except China) for 1000 of yrs


And

Look at Western world (meaning Western Europeans, Brits, Spaniard, Portuguese, French, Dutch and a few others) dominating world last 500 yrs.


There a fundamental difference.


China and Pomegranates relation with their world was based on "win-win" .. That is why Pomegranates could keep an empire bordering China to Nile in peace for 1000 yrs .. it was a win-win for all Satraph's

Same with China

Western, European, relation with the outer world .. was .. based on "plunder", enslaving, wiping out - it was big big "WIN-LOSE" .. Europeans plundered and wiped out (all North and South American, Africa, Indonesia, Oceania, indigini), PLUNDERED .. and .. enslaved.


Why all that ? why so ?

We must go back to year 323 BC

At that time Helenic democracy was "slave based" democracy .. that means economy was based on "free labour" .. EXPLOTATION of other human beings

That was taken over later by Romans and later by European colonial powers

In contrary, Persian empire, was based on "Paid Labour" .. British Museums has all the paid list of labour building the Persepolis.

Persian empire "respected" all other nations, tribes , people .. that one can see on the walls in present Persepolis showing different artisans from all over the world, men and women, with respect.

Unfortunately, Pomegranates lost, Alexander won 323 BC , that's why we @ where we now :oops:

If Alexander had lost and Pomegranates had won, there would have been to colonialism, no WW1 no WW2 no Hitler and no MAO and no Stalin


That mindset, Western and Eastern (Persian and Chinese and Indian) still same

Europe now scarred that Chinese or Pomegranates rising, they would do same as West did (exploit) others .. that is why West confronting China and others.

https://youtu.be/_jV5hEaRsd0?t=214
:lol:

Alternative histories are fan fantasy fiction, at best.

More like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc7HmhrgTuQ

Qc7HmhrgTuQ

Rather there would have been no Renaissance, no Enlightenment, no Scientific Revolution, and no Industrial Revolution.
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The corruption has brought us to war - Jeffrey Sachs, 10 February 2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvXIfRhJWuM


This very short (5 min. long) video is focused on the war in Ukraine, but Prof. Sachs stresses the important fact that our media has failed us on all counts.


As he says, journalists are supposed to be questioning governments, not promoting them.
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Breaking Russia? More like breaking ourselves - Brandon Weichert, Asia Times, 11 February 2023
https://asiatimes.com/2023/02/breaking- ... ourselves/

...For America to get out of its current predicament, it must end its unflinching commitment to Ukraine and instead focus on shoring up NATO’s threatened eastern flank. NATO was a defensive multilateral alliance, not a vehicle for unilateral American power projection.

If Washington can get back to viewing NATO that way, a geopolitical catastrophe might yet still be avoided. Washington and Brussels must work to restore a semblance of diplomacy with Moscow, too.

If Washington continues pouring its resources, time and prestige into Ukraine’s lost cause, then the results will be as catastrophic for us as they were for Europe in 1914—and a Western victory under those conditions is not assured.

Whether Russia wins in Ukraine is not as important as what the ongoing conflict there will do both to the NATO alliance and America’s staying power in Europe. Presently, America’s days as the primary player in Europe are closing fast unless a radical policy reorientation can be affected.
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Apollonius wrote: Mon Feb 13, 2023 6:18 pm The corruption has brought us to war - Jeffrey Sachs, 10 February 2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvXIfRhJWuM


This very short (5 min. long) video is focused on the war in Ukraine, but Prof. Sachs stresses the important fact that our media has failed us on all counts.

As he says, journalists are supposed to be questioning governments, not promoting them.

:lol: .. Apollonius, Western press a tool of "elite" to fool Joe he somebody

Joe nobody

mad mullahs the honest one .. they says God decides and we represent God, so we decide .. fair enough :lol:


:D you remember this ?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmfVs3WaE9Y

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony


NYT, WSJ, FT, Times , BBC all world media, all Senators .. pretty much everybody .. knew who she was

Except poor Joe


So, the difference between mad mullahs regime and West is, mad mullahs honest, they say God decides and we represent God

Politics is the art to fool Joe he decides.

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Apollonius wrote: Mon Feb 13, 2023 6:20 pm Breaking Russia? More like breaking ourselves - Brandon Weichert, Asia Times, 11 February 2023
https://asiatimes.com/2023/02/breaking- ... ourselves/

...For America to get out of its current predicament, it must end its unflinching commitment to Ukraine and instead focus on shoring up NATO’s threatened eastern flank. NATO was a defensive multilateral alliance, not a vehicle for unilateral American power projection.

If Washington can get back to viewing NATO that way, a geopolitical catastrophe might yet still be avoided. Washington and Brussels must work to restore a semblance of diplomacy with Moscow, too.

If Washington continues pouring its resources, time and prestige into Ukraine’s lost cause, then the results will be as catastrophic for us as they were for Europe in 1914—and a Western victory under those conditions is not assured.

Whether Russia wins in Ukraine is not as important as what the ongoing conflict there will do both to the NATO alliance and America’s staying power in Europe. Presently, America’s days as the primary player in Europe are closing fast unless a radical policy reorientation can be affected.

Europe must "decouple" , not from China, but from America

NATO should be replaced by a "European Military Force" .. and .. sign security agreement with Russia (and Iran)

AND

Distance from America, as America has big issues at home, civil war a real possibility
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https://www.ipsos.com/en/war-in-ukraine-january-2023

70% of Europeans want to support Ukraine but 70% dont want to die for Ukraine, so the status quo is definately true european opinion.

a half arsed "helping not fighting" - a proxy war, which is what we have.

Russia is not fighting NATO, Russia is fighting Ukraine, and NATO throws just enough resource at Ukraine for it to not collapse.

Russia and its fans have to make it all about NATO and America or it looks embarrassing that they arent doing better.
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noddy wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 12:09 am
https://www.ipsos.com/en/war-in-ukraine-january-2023

70% of Europeans want to support Ukraine but 70% dont want to die for Ukraine, so the status quo is definately true european opinion.

a half arsed "helping not fighting" - a proxy war, which is what we have.

Russia is not fighting NATO, Russia is fighting Ukraine, and NATO throws just enough resource at Ukraine for it to not collapse.

Russia and its fans have to make it all about NATO and America or it looks embarrassing that they arent doing better.


Any (Small) nation living next to "big bear", no matter Vietnam , Ukraine , Latvia , Estonia , Moldovia , Mexico, Canada, Finland etc etc etc .. must .. find ACCOMODATION with the "Neighbour the Bear"

It is unwise, stupid, suicidal to seek security by teaming up with another far way "Bear" to counter the "Neighbour the Bear".

The "Neighbour the Bear" will still be there for next many 1000 yrs .. but .. the "far way Bear" interest will shift with time leaving one hang for drying.

In that sense Ukraine making big mistake relying on West

Poor Ukrainians women and children dying for what ?

If western European public has conscious, they should push their government to stop arming Ukraine and push for Zelenskyy for peace, humanity dictates that.



Berlusconi blames Zelenskyy for war in Ukraine .. he is right


https://www.politico.eu/article/silvio- ... ne-russia/

https://www.wsj.com/articles/italys-ber ... e-4d69eab6

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukrai ... 178fd233bc

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I too confuse the small nations of Lichtenstein and...ummm....*reads notes*...Mexico.
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'unprecedented' military support


'full-fledged defense partnership'


Iran media report Iran already received 34 SU-35, they now based in underground airbases


https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/01/worl ... srael.html

Officials across the Western alliance say they are convinced that Iran and Russia, both isolated by American-led sanctions, are building a new alliance of convenience. One senior military official said that partnership had deepened quickly, after Iran’s agreement to supply drones to the Russians last summer “bailed Putin out.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/01/worl ... srael.html
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Heracleum Persicum wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 2:52 am
. . .

Poor Ukrainians women and children dying for what ?

. . .
A rather cynical display of false concern and victim blaming.

Russia, as a failed state, has nothing to offer Ukraine.

Under past occupation, Russia offered mass murder - numbering into the millions, repression, exploitation, and cultural annihilation.

So it is understandable the Ukrainians have chosen to fight rather than submit.

Parochial US and EU politics along with global geopolitics are a sideshow to this basic reality.

In this regards, the Western pundits who frame it as the former are clueless.
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Diary of a Madman

FT | ‘Not one inch’: unpicking Putin’s deadly obsession with the details of history
Russia’s justification for the invasion of Ukraine is based on a wilful misreading of agreements made with the west — and offers warnings for the future
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Re: Ukraine

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Heracleum Persicum wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2023 5:02 pm .

'unprecedented' military support


'full-fledged defense partnership'


Iran media report Iran already received 34 SU-35, they now based in underground airbases


https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/01/worl ... srael.html

Officials across the Western alliance say they are convinced that Iran and Russia, both isolated by American-led sanctions, are building a new alliance of convenience. One senior military official said that partnership had deepened quickly, after Iran’s agreement to supply drones to the Russians last summer “bailed Putin out.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/01/worl ... srael.html
1 failed state + 1 failed state global superpower

rather

1 failed state + 1 failed state = 2 failed states
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Typhoon wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 8:52 pm
Heracleum Persicum wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 2:52 am
. . .

Poor Ukrainians women and children dying for what ?

. . .
A rather cynical display of false concern and victim blaming.

Russia, as a failed state, has nothing to offer Ukraine.

Under past occupation, Russia offered mass murder - numbering into the millions, repression, exploitation, and cultural annihilation.

So it is understandable the Ukrainians have chosen to fight rather than submit.

Parochial US and EU politics along with global geopolitics are a sideshow to this basic reality.

In this regards, the Western pundits who frame it as the former are clueless.


Ukraine not in War with Russia .. NATO in War with Russia

All Ukrainians are somehow related to Russians , 100s of yrs of intermarriage etc etc

They same people

Normal routine that NATO countries dont care about Ukrainian women and children, déjà vu in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Africa, Libya etc etc, but , Zelenskyy seems does not care either about Ukraine women and children.

Ukraine pretty much ruined

If Putin wins , 40 % of world grain and corn will be controlled by Russia .. and .. 40 m adds to Russian population


The birth of Russian exceptionalism
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