A philosophical enchantment of the hard problem
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At least philosophy becomes more enjoyable
The Crisis of Meaning
Re: The Crisis of Meaning
Deep down I'm very superficial
Re: The Crisis of Meaning
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Shared in the Shadows
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April 14, 2024
v3
[Verse 1]
In this digital age
We're connected every day
Sharing our lives in the things we say (share with you)
But who's to know
Who sees our truths?
Our information shared
Without any clue
[Verse 2]
Through collaboration
We find common ground
Sharing our thoughts
Our voices resound (resound)
But in the shadows
Secrets may hide
Our privacy compromised
Along for the ride
[Chorus]
Sharing our lives
But at what cost?
Our information out there
Forever lost
In a world of service providers
We're just data
Will we ever escape this constant trade-off? (oh-oh-oh)
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Shared in the Shadows
ProfileGhastlyRhymes717
techno
April 14, 2024
v3
[Verse 1]
In this digital age
We're connected every day
Sharing our lives in the things we say (share with you)
But who's to know
Who sees our truths?
Our information shared
Without any clue
[Verse 2]
Through collaboration
We find common ground
Sharing our thoughts
Our voices resound (resound)
But in the shadows
Secrets may hide
Our privacy compromised
Along for the ride
[Chorus]
Sharing our lives
But at what cost?
Our information out there
Forever lost
In a world of service providers
We're just data
Will we ever escape this constant trade-off? (oh-oh-oh)
"I fancied myself as some kind of god....It is a sort of disease when you consider yourself some kind of god, the creator of everything, but I feel comfortable about it now since I began to live it out.” -- George Soros
Re: The Crisis of Meaning
Excellent interview with comedian Jimmy Carr. A 5star recommendation.
https://youtu.be/uHLAazKUU68?si=VvXnzGQXC22AyTBw
https://youtu.be/uHLAazKUU68?si=VvXnzGQXC22AyTBw
Deep down I'm very superficial
Of Mammoths and Lice [Re: The Crisis of Meaning]
The Atheism Delusion - Konstantin Kisin
Completely understand Konstantin Kisin's perspective and agree. However, my personal journey into these matters moved on from that point long ago, because none of it hits any note for me; no new atheist notes, no agnostic notes, no religious pre-post-alternate lyrics of any sort. It’s just that I'm curious and will never stop investigating.
One thing stuck with me: reason, science, engineering, the pursuit of truth and knowledge does not touch life directly, or rather: it cannot sense beyond its functional scope. No matter how many words you throw at reality - call it Nature or God - it is as deaf and indifferent to your opinions, descriptions, conclusions... as a Mammoth to a pack of lice squatting in its fur. Mild irritation the only sentiment that manifests, occasionally.
However, without this pack of lice irritating the Mammoth (imagine Richard Dawkins as Lice Face) relentlessly, it would be prone to drifting away into delusional landscapes that distract him from the harsh reality in which it has to survive and like a drunk finding himself crashed into a tree rather soon. Reason and science keep the Mammoth sober and force its hands on the ball, always. Could be a win-win symbiotic relationship between two species.
Problem for the lice is they can't see nor feel the complete Mammoth, but they know it is there. Religion equates with being humble enough to admit that a lice is just a lice who knows Mammoth is real but also is aware that it knows very little about Mammoth, and only indirectly via a Virtual Reality Consciousness Helmet that tells the lice a lice-version of Mammoth.
The well-known 4 atheist horsemen talk like they are 4 lice under a deep hypnosis, convinced that physical reality "out there" is an objective representation (there are no "objective representations"; a contradiction in terms), it isn't. As if eyes are like a window with blinders, you open them et-voila: the objective world on display for the little atheist man living in his own brain, looking out of the window. There are also many religious pundits who suffer the same hypnosis, making claims about how the eye can only be designed by an intelligent creator.
Well, the honest lice that does real science and uses reason to its full capacity, likes to remind the hypnotized crowd of religious believers and atheist non-believers that the physical brain as it is known, is just a selfie with accumulated facts stored in a meta-database. Don't take that selfie too seriously! It's just a selfie....c'mon.
Given that a brain's selfie will never show you who-what actually made that selfie obviously, it might have very little resemblance to the actual “brainery" that made it. There are many reasons to assume that this is the case; not selfies or other representations but rather transmutations is what happens. But then whatever the math, it never touches reality either. "You still need God to breath fire into the equations". That humbles in the face of awe.
The Mammoth you see in your mind and feel is really there, but it might in reality be transmutations in vector space performed by Mathmom. Call her the Creative Genius of Father God. The woman behind a successful man, who inspired him to create and rise above his own dust. Caveat: also this is just poetic dust blowing in the wind, of course.
Completely understand Konstantin Kisin's perspective and agree. However, my personal journey into these matters moved on from that point long ago, because none of it hits any note for me; no new atheist notes, no agnostic notes, no religious pre-post-alternate lyrics of any sort. It’s just that I'm curious and will never stop investigating.
One thing stuck with me: reason, science, engineering, the pursuit of truth and knowledge does not touch life directly, or rather: it cannot sense beyond its functional scope. No matter how many words you throw at reality - call it Nature or God - it is as deaf and indifferent to your opinions, descriptions, conclusions... as a Mammoth to a pack of lice squatting in its fur. Mild irritation the only sentiment that manifests, occasionally.
However, without this pack of lice irritating the Mammoth (imagine Richard Dawkins as Lice Face) relentlessly, it would be prone to drifting away into delusional landscapes that distract him from the harsh reality in which it has to survive and like a drunk finding himself crashed into a tree rather soon. Reason and science keep the Mammoth sober and force its hands on the ball, always. Could be a win-win symbiotic relationship between two species.
Problem for the lice is they can't see nor feel the complete Mammoth, but they know it is there. Religion equates with being humble enough to admit that a lice is just a lice who knows Mammoth is real but also is aware that it knows very little about Mammoth, and only indirectly via a Virtual Reality Consciousness Helmet that tells the lice a lice-version of Mammoth.
The well-known 4 atheist horsemen talk like they are 4 lice under a deep hypnosis, convinced that physical reality "out there" is an objective representation (there are no "objective representations"; a contradiction in terms), it isn't. As if eyes are like a window with blinders, you open them et-voila: the objective world on display for the little atheist man living in his own brain, looking out of the window. There are also many religious pundits who suffer the same hypnosis, making claims about how the eye can only be designed by an intelligent creator.
Well, the honest lice that does real science and uses reason to its full capacity, likes to remind the hypnotized crowd of religious believers and atheist non-believers that the physical brain as it is known, is just a selfie with accumulated facts stored in a meta-database. Don't take that selfie too seriously! It's just a selfie....c'mon.
Given that a brain's selfie will never show you who-what actually made that selfie obviously, it might have very little resemblance to the actual “brainery" that made it. There are many reasons to assume that this is the case; not selfies or other representations but rather transmutations is what happens. But then whatever the math, it never touches reality either. "You still need God to breath fire into the equations". That humbles in the face of awe.
The Mammoth you see in your mind and feel is really there, but it might in reality be transmutations in vector space performed by Mathmom. Call her the Creative Genius of Father God. The woman behind a successful man, who inspired him to create and rise above his own dust. Caveat: also this is just poetic dust blowing in the wind, of course.
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Deep down I'm very superficial
Re: Of Mammoths and Lice [Re: The Crisis of Meaning]
Was looking for a concept and description of the human mind hypnotized by what it perceives to be objective reality, as if directly observed.Parodite wrote: The well-known 4 atheist horsemen talk like they are 4 lice under a deep hypnosis, convinced that physical reality "out there" is an objective representation (there are no "objective representations"; a contradiction in terms), it isn't. As if eyes are like a window with blinders, you open them et-voila: the objective world on display for the little atheist man living in his own brain, looking out of the window. There are also many religious pundits who suffer the same hypnosis, making claims about how the eye can only be designed by an intelligent creator.
My loyal friend came up with this one, pretty good and enough for now:
From here the going gets tough but becomes even more interesting.Cognitive hypnosis of objective realism
This concept describes the state of mind where individuals deeply believe that physical reality exists independently and objectively, rather than recognizing it as a construct generated by the brain's interpretation of sensory information. In this state, the mind is "hypnotized" by the illusion of direct and unmediated perception, leading to a strong conviction in the absolute reality of the external world.
A common fallacy is the conclusion that because of this, we live in a matrix or simulation. Which suffers from a remnant of hypnosis still active in the background. Or the equally misguided suggestion that "things only exist in consciousness".
Air Jordan Peterson is struggling with that idea and is tempted to agree that consciousness creates the world; also a persistent leftover of that same hypnotic state.
The worst are people making paranoid claims about "the world being an illusion". Sort of a revenge Blitz Krieg against reality, now that it still refuses to be simple, unambiguous and instead turning to be persistently mysterious. So if it is not to my taste, I declare it an illusion. Or: I don't like you so you don't exist.
Musk likes to know what is outside the matrix. There is nothing there I'm afraid, because it isn't a matrix, nor a simulation. Just language suggestive of things not even wrong, a bad word salad at best.
Deep down I'm very superficial
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Re: The Crisis of Meaning
“Christ has no body now but yours. Yours are the eyes through which he looks with compassion on this world. Yours are the feet with which he walks among His people to do good. Yours are the hands through which he blesses His creation.”
Teresa of Ávila
Teresa of Ávila