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1947 West gave Palestine to European Ashkenazim (mainly East European).
Crown Corporation gave the Palestinian satrap to Russian gangsters pretending to be Jews. Better optics.

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Nonc Hilaire wrote: Wed May 08, 2024 6:06 pm
1947 West gave Palestine to European Ashkenazim (mainly East European).
Crown Corporation gave the Palestinian satrap to Russian gangsters pretending to be Jews. Better optics.

LORD Rothschild. LORD. When he died the Royal Cavalry saluted him as a king.

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Typhoon wrote: Wed May 08, 2024 8:05 am
Heracleum Persicum wrote: Wed May 08, 2024 3:24 am
Typhoon wrote: Wed May 08, 2024 3:08 am
Heracleum Persicum wrote: Wed May 08, 2024 12:34 am Now, West retreating, becoming weaker, when at the same time Arabs, Pali, world Muslim (Mull*hs) rising rapidly

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In the ME, all dictatorships, mostly failed states.

A mob of nations that could not organize their way out of a wet paper bag.

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Fail state ! ! ! :roll:

Look at Iran 1990 (30 m population), 2000, 2010, 2020 and now (100 m population) .. 100% literacy all below 50 yrs age, universal healthcare insurance, 700,000 Afghan children same as Iranian Children in school and taken care of, most powerful military in ME, 413.5 billion USD (2022), non petro economy

Dictatorship ? :lol:

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Well, Iran is a tragic case of arrested development.

A large and growing population does not correlate with economic advancement and innovation.
Without looking up the stats, I would guess that the population of Nigeria has grown even faster.

On the other hand, widespread literacy is a both a good thing and a precondition.

As for Iran's military, it has not been tested against a modern force.
Iran and Iraq fought an eight year war to a stalemate, yet the US forces rapidly overran the Iraqis.

The economy normalized for population, GDP per capita, has not grown


gdp-per-capita-worldbank.png


Perhaps the key measure is innovation. The WIPO Global Innovation Index shows there is no correlation with size. Switzerland has consistently ranked 1st, while Sweden, Singapore, Finland, the Netherlands, and Denmark are in the top 10.

Israel is in the top 15.

Iran is ranked at 62nd.

Pity.


The real "Israel economy" are the "Kibutz", Jafa orange etc

The rest is American, German, World Jews money inflow .. and .. don't be fooled by recent tech rubbish, these are Russians who recently came to Israel "on transit" to USA and now leaving.

Intel and Google and many others backstopping Israel.


Iran's challenge, in any respect and aspect, is not Israel, Iran's focus (Iranian media) is japan, Germany, US and become another China ..

Iran has that potential, West knows this, you neither know Iran, nor Iranians and Iranian history ..

and are biased

Very similar to Israel portraying as 10-foot high to scare Arabs, and now, thanks to Mull*hs, that BS is into toilet and flashed by Iran.

Iran in "absolute sanction" lat 50 yrs, and now planing to send astronauts to orbit .. should tell you something.

100 million population, 7 million Afghan refugy in Iran last 35 yrs, 700,000 Afghan children schooled and taken care of, education all Afghan technocrats in Iranian universities same as Iranians (all Afghan medical doctors, many girls, Iran graduated) .. nobody going hungry to bed ..

And "Made in Iran" military feared by "Great Satan" :lol:

Mull*hs should get a "Noble Price" for all this

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Palestinian polls 24% in favor of 2 state solution down from 50+%.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/512828/pal ... ution.aspx
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Nonc Hilaire wrote: Wed May 08, 2024 6:38 pm Palestinian polls 24% in favor of 2 state solution down from 50+%.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/512828/pal ... ution.aspx


The situation now is not as it was pre Ukraine or October 7th

Before those dates, West (Israel backers), Europe and Israel were in much stronger position, Arabs and Iran in weaker position

Now things other way round

Ukraine lead to unexpected Russian rise, Iran taking advantage of situation .. now China-Russia-Iran tuned up with one voice, Russia and china, openly on TV, backed Iran sending those drones over Israel.

Meaning

Before Ukraine and October 7th, Palestinians had no other choice except dreaming of 2-state-solution

Now, that 2-state-solution that Zionist and West themselves never believed in and was to fool Pali, is into toilet and flushed, openly, by Natanyahu Charlatans.

Now, Pali know all was BS .. and want a real solution for all this .. the millions of refugee chased out of their homes by Zionist, want come back to their homes, internationally recognized right of return

That is what I am sayin and sayin and seems not getting through .. The existence of Israel is now on the table .. West washing hand of all this, American Jews too .. Israel only option is talk to ME people, best is talk to Mull*hs :lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKVl1TggQXw

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Israel will be fine, but under new management. Hopefully genuine Jews and not a different set of pretend Jew banksters.
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Nonc Hilaire wrote: Wed May 08, 2024 7:37 pm Israel will be fine, but under new management. Hopefully genuine Jews and not a different set of pretend Jew banksters.

Yes

The "New Israel" will be part of the "New Middle East", integrated into .. with entirely different foreign policies, friends, etc etc
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Heracleum Persicum wrote: Wed May 08, 2024 7:44 pm .
Nonc Hilaire wrote: Wed May 08, 2024 7:37 pm Israel will be fine, but under new management. Hopefully genuine Jews and not a different set of pretend Jew banksters.

Yes

The "New Israel" will be part of the "New Middle East", integrated into .. with entirely different foreign policies, friends, etc etc
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I think Greater Israel will be a good thing and more inclusive, but not possible with the current leadership.
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Nonc Hilaire wrote: Wed May 08, 2024 7:56 pm
Heracleum Persicum wrote: Wed May 08, 2024 7:44 pm .
Nonc Hilaire wrote: Wed May 08, 2024 7:37 pm Israel will be fine, but under new management. Hopefully genuine Jews and not a different set of pretend Jew banksters.

Yes

The "New Israel" will be part of the "New Middle East", integrated into .. with entirely different foreign policies, friends, etc etc
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I think Greater Israel will be a good thing and more inclusive, but not possible with the current leadership.

"Greater Israel" only possible within the new "Pers*an Empire" .. Golden age of Israel always been when part of Pers*an Empire

Getting there :D
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Mossadegh sold the Persian Empire to British Petroleum for a mess of pottage.
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Nonc Hilaire wrote: Wed May 08, 2024 8:36 pm Mossadegh sold the Persian Empire to British Petroleum for a mess of pottage.

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Iran-Persia as a whole just failed to keep its act together. A systemic deficit. Thousands of rockets and annoying Jewland won't compensate for that.

Neither will sending drones into buildings where Ukrainian grandmothers live, or destroying powerplants Ukrainian citizens depend upon.

The trans Mull*h bearded bad girls are destroying Iran-Persia. Not yet physically, but spiritually they have nearly finished the job. What a disastah.

But it all is the same systemic weakness that makes the Persian giant almost rise up but then some bad luck, or by shooting itself in the foot, makes it trip over itself, falling on its face, again.

Which makes them deeply envy that small nucklehead Jewstate, able to achieve the nearly impossible. It's probably just an ego thing.
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Nonc Hilaire wrote: Wed May 08, 2024 6:38 pm
Palestinian polls 24% in favor of 2 state solution down from 50+%.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/512828/pal ... ution.aspx

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A tragedy for our beloved Ashkenazim .. they had a chance, but missed .. that train already left the station.

A classic case in Jewish history.

They knew Arabs, ME people, Palestinians, Muslim world had not accepted the UN decision and Balfour Declaration .. they knew ..

Wisdom had it, that they sit down with the "landlord" and nail down a settlement .. instead, they thought team up with colonial powers (Suez Canal) and rely on West.

A catastrophic mistake

Now 2-state out of window .. one state .. Israel's odd no good

Time is not on Israel's side .. permanent warlike situation will result in money and Israeli elite leaving, already started.

All this nothing to do with Mull*hs anymore .. they did their job
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50 Completely True Things

:D

That's rather... accurate
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Parodite wrote: Thu May 09, 2024 3:50 pm 50 Completely True Things

:D

That's rather... accurate


https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_KvuJI5EIeY

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I agree, never forget nor forgive. Would extend that also to all personal relationships. Any relationship.

Just look and hope to learn something. The past can't be changed, the future always invites.

You don't need to consciously make the right decisions. When you look carefully, also and especially instinctively with your high-wired gut (that I believe has more neural connections than the brain) while you act, that's enough. That is how all animals learn, it seems to me. Just pay attention with all you got. Improved, adapted behavior will automatically follow in its footsteps, like a loyal servant.

Too much ideology (academic post-modernist quasi-realist brainwash especially) interferes with this process, with all kinds of nasty unintended consequences. It is not difficult the confuse the 98% chimp with academic ideological Lalaland phantasies imposed on our apelike reality. When this Uni youth steps into our real monkey-type world they still haven't learned anything, most likely make decisions win-lose if not lose-lose all the way down. And then don't understand what happened, why it happened. Must be somebody elses fault! Cancel them! This is always the same format of the ideologically possessed, who got disconnected from their own apelike nature.

Respect existing borders. If borders are not finalized, the adults in the room who are on top and have the power, should stitch them as soon as possible, not wait for naive miracle negotiations do the job. Power vacuums attract the usual psychos and you don't want any of those at the negotiation table.

Within Israel proper Jews and Arabs are doing fine. Look carefully and wonder why that is. Not too difficult.

Nested territories, from individual, to family, to tribe/society, to business, to common markets, to nation-states among nation-states. Semi-permeable membranes between all units of territory.

Reality is organic ("in-organic" included); a patchwork of nested territorial units that compete but also co-operate in symbiotic win-win fashions. If we look for the win-win, more people will win. Make it only win-lose (the error of CCP China) and you might be next on somebody elses plate. Not that nature cares: win-lose is also a very fine and tested relationship. You eat and will be eaten; only question is by who.
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.. retired United States Army Colonel and former chief of staff to United States Secretary of State Colin Powell.

an oldi, but still to the point


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwsP54vlP8A


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Parodite wrote: Fri May 10, 2024 10:41 am

I agree, never forget nor forgive. Would extend that also to all personal relationships. Any relationship.

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https://x.com/haaretzcom/status/1789668 ... JrDBjLl66A

Israeli press continues to rail against the Kazarian Mafia infiltration. The Israelis are brave to police their own corrupt government in such a small country. Retribution could literally live next door.
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Lindsey Graham
Israel should drop atomic bombs on Gaza


Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., on Sunday compared Israel’s war against Hamas to the U.S. decision to drop atomic bombs on Japan in World War II during an interview on NBC News’ “Meet the Press.”

“When we were faced with destruction as a nation after Pearl Harbor, fighting the Germans and the Japanese, we decided to end the war by the bombing [of] Hiroshima [and] Nagasaki with nuclear weapons,” Graham said. “That was the right decision.”

He added, “Give Israel the bombs they need to end the war. They can’t afford to lose.”

Graham, a staunch supporter of Israel, used the analogy multiple times while condemning President Joe Biden for threatening to withhold certain weapons from Israel if it launches a military operation in Rafah, the southernmost city in Gaza where over a million civilians are sheltering.

Mull*hs laughing
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It is undeniably true that Hamas needs to be destroyed. First things first. What should happen after that can wait a bit longer. There will be no 2-state solution, nor a 1-state solution for as long as these types like Hamas exist in Gaza and Westbank.

When they are gone, the same old question and hot potato will burn in Israel's lap:

1. If we want to remain a Jewish majority state it requires Israel to officially declare to have zero claims on both Gaza and Westbank. These territories then have to be unilaterally emptied from all Jewish presence. But then these Hamas types will grow back and prepare new assaults on the Jewish state, as Gaza has proven already. It is crazy to believe otherwise.

This then means that to create enough security for the Jewish majority state, Israel must keep controlling lands that are not officially theirs; build and maintain Jewish facts on the ground, in the form of settlements and a web of checkpoints, as the reason to be there.

This is the defacto reality for many decades already. Not ideal for Israel, but certainly hell for Palestinians. A good definition of Hell would be the current situation. Slow torture for all involved and zero light at the end of any tunnel.

Now if Israel doesn't want any of the above lavender to continue, there are only a few options left:

2. hope and wait for Miracle Moshiach to arrive. This usually is not of much help, it also didn't protect Jews from viscious pogroms. But, if you have zero realistic options left... why not.

3. Annex Gaza and Westbank and offer all its inhabitants citizenship, like all Israeli Arabs and Druze already enjoy.

But then Israel has no longer a secure Jewish majority: Israeli Arabs, now a really large volume, may smell victory over the Jews using democracy as their weapon, and eventually squeeze them out of the country.

Reality then will be an old phenomenon that usually resolves such a situation: civil war and it would not be less nasty then any of the other wars, this latest with Hamas included. 7-10 is what such a civil war would look like.

Conclusion: it wil be wars, civil wars, a bloody nasty hell no matter what. 1-state, 2-state, it all has the same end result.

The fight continues until one of the competing tribes has sufficiently destroyed and massacred its opponent(s).

It happens quickly, or is artificially stretched to last many decades: no real difference.

The 98% monkey doesn't care much about 2% messianic or intellectual thought processes.

Not sure Ben Shapiro is aware of his own 98% monkeyness. Fact is, that this 98% monkey is pure emotion and doesn't care that much about his own abstracted "facts", religious knowlegde or historical claims. It is a language our inner monkey doesn't understand anyways. Why bother? Just smash your enemies to pulp, what else is there.

It might be, that Nature doesn't like imbalances. For every Saint and truely innocent victim, you need a coupla psycho a-holes doing the dirty work of life: necessary, and it keeps the script interesting.
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Parodite wrote: Mon May 13, 2024 10:55 pm It is undeniably true that Hamas needs to be destroyed. First things first. What should happen after that can wait a bit longer. There will be no 2-state solution, nor a 1-state solution for as long as these types like Hamas exist in Gaza and Westbank.

When they are gone, the same old question and hot potato will burn in Israel's lap:

1. If we want to remain a Jewish majority state it requires Israel to officially declare to have zero claims on both Gaza and Westbank. These territories then have to be unilaterally emptied from all Jewish presence. But then these Hamas types will grow back and prepare new assaults on the Jewish state, as Gaza has proven already. It is crazy to believe otherwise.

This then means that to create enough security for the Jewish majority state, Israel must keep controlling lands that are not officially theirs; build and maintain Jewish facts on the ground, in the form of settlements and a web of checkpoints, as the reason to be there.

This is the defacto reality for many decades already. Not ideal for Israel, but certainly hell for Palestinians. A good definition of Hell would be the current situation. Slow torture for all involved and zero light at the end of any tunnel.

Now if Israel doesn't want any of the above lavender to continue, there are only a few options left:

2. hope and wait for Miracle Moshiach to arrive. This usually is not of much help, it also didn't protect Jews from viscious pogroms. But, if you have zero realistic options left... why not.

3. Annex Gaza and Westbank and offer all its inhabitants citizenship, like all Israeli Arabs and Druze already enjoy.

But then Israel has no longer a secure Jewish majority: Israeli Arabs, now a really large volume, may smell victory over the Jews using democracy as their weapon, and eventually squeeze them out of the country.

Reality then will be an old phenomenon that usually resolves such a situation: civil war and it would not be less nasty then any of the other wars, this latest with Hamas included. 7-10 is what such a civil war would look like.

Conclusion: it wil be wars, civil wars, a bloody nasty hell no matter what. 1-state, 2-state, it all has the same end result.

The fight continues until one of the competing tribes has sufficiently destroyed and massacred its opponent(s).

It happens quickly, or is artificially stretched to last many decades: no real difference.

The 98% monkey doesn't care much about 2% messianic or intellectual thought processes.

Not sure Ben Shapiro is aware of his own 98% monkeyness. Fact is, that this 98% monkey is pure emotion and doesn't care that much about his own abstracted "facts", religious knowlegde or historical claims. It is a language our inner monkey doesn't understand anyways. Why bother? Just smash your enemies to pulp, what else is there.

It might be, that Nature doesn't like imbalances. For every Saint and truely innocent victim, you need a coupla psycho a-holes doing the dirty work of life: necessary, and it keeps the script interesting.

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Well, is this all worth ? how can they live in middle of an OCEAN of Arabs that their #s increasing rapidly, now Yemen and Iraqi and Pakistani etc etc joining the fight ?

Polls say (I posted already), 75% of Palestinians inside Israel identify with Hamas.

If I were Jewish, I would have chose Argentina as Jewish homeland, let go Palestine for Palestinians :lol:

It not GoNa work

With what is happening in Gaza, aired on world TV, "White Men" (Europeans and Americans) getting over their "Holocaust complex". Things snowballing.

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