On the Nature of Things | Forum

noddy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 25, 2021 9:18 am

The red areas only problem is its border locked to the green area sometimes.

Only the blue area has lockdowns, and then the area with media covered protests is a dot too small for this scale of map.

Plenty of media considers LA and NY to be america aswell, so its all about expected i spose

NapLajoieonSteroids wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:18 am
"We only occasionally severe one of the states from the union."

noddy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:56 am oh, plenty of people take that angle, "we are one nation, open movement is an absolute right" - hundreds of bleeding heart articles on it, social media posts on it, much abuse about "cave dwelling" fools trying to hide from the pandemic

the problem is thats all folks who want to leave the zombie hell holes they live in and go back to an open free society with pubs and no masks.

i suspect 99.999% would want the door closed behind them, after *they* arrived.

The leader of America’s third-largest state, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, has blasted Australia’s coronavirus restrictions, accusing us of going “off the rails” and comparing us to authoritarian China.

Mr DeSantis, who has been a vocal opponent of lockdowns, mandates and vaccine passports in the United States, brought up Australia’s Covid policies during remarks to the International Boatbuilders Exhibition in Tampa.

“Look what’s going on in Australia right now. They’re enforcing, after a year-and-a-half, lockdowns by the military,” the Republican said.

“That’s not a free country. It’s not a free country at all.

“In fact, I wonder why we would still have the same diplomatic relations when they’re doing that.

“In fact, I wonder why we would still have the same diplomatic relations when they’re doing that."

noddy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 7:30 am He touched on that.

“In fact, I wonder why we would still have the same diplomatic relations when they’re doing that."

Its hard for me to get the analogies right - but i roughly believe Melbourne to be a san francisco, portland equivilant in american terms - greenies, lefty luvvies.

would conservative america save them from themselves ?

noddy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 2:31 am on average, Australians would be a lot more socialist and less freedom orientated than a Frenchman - those buggers riot on the regular and have quite a robust attitude to government over reach.

bravely sacrificing your health for the economy wouldnt even cross the mind of most here - thats why you need to import desperate migrants , they think like that and keep all the cheap services going.

with the exception of melbourne, which has had way too much lockdown and a service based economy, all i can see is us hitting our vax targets, opening all restrictions, and avoiding all the death and chaos everyone else got.

it will be very mundane, the year that the upper middle class didnt get their european holidays, the horror.

noddy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 8:00 am we need our borders locked because our health system was running at 100% capacity BEFORE covid hit, their is no fat in the system to scale up.

this is well known, their is no "legitimacy upon health, safety" their is just the fact that neither I, nor many others, wanted to pay more for healthcare insurance for the last 100 years, just in case their was a pandemic.


now we need to backfill, and adjust the situation for the new reality - so thats a heavy vaccine rollout and more healthcare funding.

its not being imposed on anyone, in my country this is normal tax payer funded services, our government isnt a hostile 3rd party, its a thing we give taxes too and then demand services back - all the squabbling is over which services get which funding

Ecology isn’t just the logic of total economy, it’s also the new morality of Capital.
The system’s state of internal crisis and the rigorous selection going on are such
that we will need a new criteria to operate such sorting with. From one era to the
next, the idea of virtue was never more than an invention of vice. Without ecology,
how could we have today the existence of two different food channels, one “healthy
and organic” for the rich and their children, and the other notoriously toxic for the
plebes and their offspring, damned to obesity. The planetary hyper-bourgeoisie
couldn’t make their ordinary lifestyle look respectable if its latest caprices weren’t so
scrupulously “respectful of the environment.” Without ecology, no one would have
enough authority anymore to shut up any and all objections to the exorbitant
progress of control.
Tracking, transparency, certification, eco-taxes, environmental excellence, water
police, all give us an idea of the coming state of ecological emergency. Everything
is permitted to a power structure that authorizes itself to act as the representative of
Nature, health, and well-being.
“Once the new economic and behavioral culture has passed into common morality,
coercive measures will doubtless fall into disuse of their own accord.” You’d have to
have all the ridiculous aplomb of a television adventure show host to have such a
frozen perspective and at the same time to call upon us to feel “sorry for the planet”
enough to get mobilized about it and yet remain sufficiently anesthetized to watch
the whole thing with restraint and civility. The new eco-asceticism is precisely that
self-control that is required of us all to negotiate the rescue operation for what the
system itself has taken hostage. In the name of ecology, we must all now tighten
our belts, as yesterday we did so in the name of the economy. The roads could
certainly be transformed into bicycle paths, we ourselves could perhaps within a
certain scope be one day gratified with a guaranteed income, but only at the price of
an entirely therapeutic existence. Those who claim that generalized self-control will
spare us from an environmental dictatorship are lying: the one will make the other’s
bed, and we’ll have both.

noddy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 8:00 am we need our borders locked because our health system was running at 100% capacity BEFORE covid hit, their is no fat in the system to scale up.

this is well known, their is no "legitimacy upon health, safety" their is just the fact that neither I, nor many others, wanted to pay more for healthcare insurance for the last 100 years, just in case their was a pandemic.


now we need to backfill, and adjust the situation for the new reality - so thats a heavy vaccine rollout and more healthcare funding.

its not being imposed on anyone, in my country this is normal tax payer funded services, our government isnt a hostile 3rd party, its a thing we give taxes too and then demand services back - all the squabbling is over which services get which funding

noddy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 8:30 am Nothing new about it.

Sin taxes on grog and smokes, bans on drugs, public funded healthcare.

Roles of government all over the world my entire life.

Rolling the new wokeling environment stuff into that seems disengenious.