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Few people realize that Stalin conducted Genocide against the Kazaks as well as the Ukrainians.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/centra ... mbassador/
Kazakhstan snubs Russian demand to expel Ukrainian ambassador
EURACTIV.com with Reuters

8:30 (updated: 9:13)

File photo. Kazakh Deputy Minister Yermukhambet Konuspaev (right) meets with Ukrainian Ambassador Petr Vrublevskiy. [RFE/RFI]


Kazakh authorities on Wednesday (5 October) rejected a demand from Russia that they expel Ukraine’s ambassador over comments about killing Russians, chiding Moscow for what they called an inappropriate tone between “equal strategic partners”.

Russia’s ties with Kazakhstan and some others of its ex-Soviet allies have become strained during the war in Ukraine, notably over attempts by President Vladimir Putin to renege on post-USSR border agreements in the country’s east.

Tensions escalated after Ukraine’s ambassador in Astana, Petro Vrublevskiy, said in August in an interview with a local blogger, referring to the war in Ukraine, that “the more Russians we kill now, the fewer of them our children will have to kill”.

1/ #Ukraine

Outcome at point 3

“The more Russians we kill now, the less our children will have to kill. That's all": Ukrainian Ambassador to Kazakhstan Pyotr Vrublevsky made a call to "kill as many Russians as possible." pic.twitter.com/nrYPvvCVBJ

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In early September the Ministry for Foreign Affairs of Kazakhstan summoned Vrublevskyi to register objections to his controversial and “inappropriate” remarks, telling him his comments were unacceptable for a country with a large ethnic Russian minority.

Russia demanded that Kazakhstan expel the diplomat in response, but Astana instead asked Kyiv to replace him.

Russian foreign ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova on Tuesday said Moscow was “outraged” by the fact that Vrublevskiy was still in Astana.

Kazakh foreign ministry spokesman Aibek Smadiyarov on Wednesday called Zakharova’s tone “discordant with the nature of the allied relations between Kazakhstan and Russia as equal strategic partners”, adding that the Russian ambassador would in turn be summoned to the Kazakh ministry.

Smadiyarov said Vrublevskiy would leave Kazakhstan once a new Ukrainian ambassador was in place.

Kazakhstan has traditionally maintained close economic and security ties with Russia, but distanced itself from Moscow after it invaded Ukraine in February.

A EU source told EURACTIV in September that Brussels hoped that Kazakhstan would not obey Moscow by expelling the Ukrainian ambassador. The source tried to minimize the incident by saying that the ambassador had quoted a Ukrainian war hero.

EURACTIV didn’t find such a quote, but came across a 1941 quote from Harry Truman, who was US president from 1945 to 1953: “Let’s help the Russians when the Germans are winning and the Germans when the Russians are winning. So each may kill off as many as possible of the other.”

Astana has called for a peaceful resolution of the conflict – which Moscow terms a “special military operation” – and refused to recognise referendums through which Russia annexed parts of Ukraine.

(With additional reporting by Georgi Gotev)
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Interesting trivia I ran across this afternoon:
Articles 106 and 107 of the UN Charter give Russia, as the legal successor to the victor of World War II, the right to take any action, including military ones, against Germany, Hungary, Austria, Romania, Bulgaria, Finland, Croatia, Slovenia. , Czech Republic, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania and Ukraine for attempts to revive Nazism.

UN Secretary-General António Guterres was surprised to learn from Putin that there is an article in the UN charter that allows a Russian special operation to be carried out in Ukraine.

RUSSIA HAS THE RIGHT TO PUNISH NAZIS ANYWHERE (according to UN Charter)

The Nuremberg Tribunal sentenced to criminal liability all those who fought against the United Nations and committed genocide. The greatest genocide was committed against the Soviet people. UN Charter, Articles 106 and 107, gives the victors of World War II - the USSR, USA, Great Britain and China - the right to take action against the countries that fought against them to prevent actions that aim to revise the results of the Second World War. .

In particular, the use of military force against these countries is permitted. To do this, you only need to NOTIFY the other three winning countries, but not get their consent. Russia, as the LEGAL successor to the USSR, can also use force against states that want to overhaul the Yalta-Potsdam system in Europe. Russia can stop attempts to revive Nazism in Germany, Hungary, Romania, Austria, Bulgaria, Finland, Croatia, Slovenia and the Czech Republic, which acted as the protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia during the war.
https://www.un.org/en/about-us/un-charter/chapter-17
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What a joke, Article 106 references a document that was written before the end of WWII, in which the majority of references to Nazism also refer specifically to Germany. Nobody believes some nationalist fringe in Ukraine represents a serious threat, it's so obviously pretextual it seems like a waste of time to point it out. But here we are.
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It is always good to check RT


Putin wants
‘ grand bargain ’


Putin wants ‘grand bargain’ – Türkiye

The Russian president would like to negotiate a new place for his country in the world order, an Ankara official claims


Russian President Vladimir Putin wants to strike “a new grand bargain” with the West to erase the humiliations of the post-Cold War period, Turkish presidential adviser Ibrahim Kalin told CNN on Saturday.

In an interview with the American broadcaster, he said that the Ukraine conflict will inevitably end in a negotiated settlement, with the only question being when, “and how much damage will have been done by then?”

Such a settlement will be about more than the borders of Russia and Ukraine, he continued, arguing that what Putin really aims to do is renegotiate the balance of power between Moscow and the West, after a weakened Russia accepted several rounds of NATO expansion in the aftermath of the Cold War.

“Our understanding is that Mr. Putin wants to have a new grand bargain, a new deal, with the West,” Kalin said. The Turkish official referenced agreements signed by Moscow and NATO in the early 1990s – which included the 1997 NATO-Russia Founding Act, which stated that the alliance would continue to expand, and the 1994 Budapest Memorandum, in which Russia agreed not to use force against its neighbors – as decisions Putin would like to re-do.

The Russian perception is that the Russia of that day, that signed that agreement – that is, the Russia of the Gorbachevs and the Yeltsins – is over,” Kalin claimed. “There is a new Russia, there is a new world, there is a new reality, and they want to have a new bargain.”

Putin declared last week that “the ongoing collapse of Western hegemony is irreversible,” and that “things will never be the same.” A multipolar world, he said, will give non-Western nations “an opportunity to strengthen their sovereignty.”

According to Kalin, “This puts of course the entire global order, the liberal order, to a test.” He added: “So far the response has been war from both sides.”

Western leaders have not indicated that they intend to negotiate an end to the Ukraine conflict in the near future. Washington’s official line is that it will continue to funnel tens of billions of dollars’ worth of arms to Kiev “for as long as it takes,” and will allow Ukraine to dictate its terms for ending the conflict.

Amid the broader conflict between Russia and the West, Türkiye has positioned itself as a middleman, with Ankara hosting peace talks between Russia and Ukraine in March that ultimately broke down. Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Thursday called for both sides to return to negotiations, declaring that “even the worst peace will be better than war.”

:lol: .. take it or leave

Well , true , Russia not Russia of Gorbachov and Yeltsin anymore .. Nor Iran same Shah Iran .. neither Xi China same nor Modi India same .. nor West same
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It's the ongoing collapse of Russia that is inevitable now. Putin only hastens it with his arrogance. The new Russian oligarchs are just the same as the old apparatchiks, same as the kleptocrats in the West, too. They squeeze and squeeze, but Russia doesn't have much juice left.
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crashtech66 wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 6:34 pm It's the ongoing collapse of Russia that is inevitable now. Putin only hastens it with his arrogance. The new Russian oligarchs are just the same as the old apparatchiks, same as the kleptocrats in the West, too. They squeeze and squeeze, but Russia doesn't have much juice left.
MC | It Is Remarkable How Badly Putin Has Screwed Up In Ukraine
Sometimes I look at the U.S. government under President Biden, and I think that it couldn’t be possible to be more incompetent than this. But take a look at any of the U.S.’s main geopolitical adversaries — besides Russia there’s China, and Iran, and perhaps you might throw in a Venezuela or a North Korea — and you quickly realize that all of them have far, far more incompetent government policy than the U.S. on its very worst day.
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Putin takes part in Valdai discussion club meeting


Good to watch , to see the next "New World Order" coming to Theatre next to you
:lol: :lol:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2shV7lrk0I

Putin Address at the Valdai International Discussion Club 2022 - English Subtitles
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Heracleum Persicum wrote: Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:28 pm Putin takes part in Valdai discussion club meeting


Good to watch , to see the next "New World Order" coming to Theatre next to you
:lol: :lol:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2shV7lrk0I

Putin Address at the Valdai International Discussion Club 2022 - English Subtitles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANZPQ9fhRXM

ANZPQ9fhRXM
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Doc wrote: Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:32 am
Heracleum Persicum wrote: Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:28 pm Putin takes part in Valdai discussion club meeting


Good to watch , to see the next "New World Order" coming to Theatre next to you
:lol: :lol:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2shV7lrk0I

Putin Address at the Valdai International Discussion Club 2022 - English Subtitles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANZPQ9fhRXM

ANZPQ9fhRXM
If Russia did not possess nuclear weapons, a Chinese Siberia would have been a reality decades ago.

Sino Soviet-Russia border conflict
Amid heightening tensions, the Soviet Union and China began border talks. Although the Soviet Union had granted all of the territory of the Japanese puppet state of Manchukuo to the Chinese Communists in 1945, which decisively assisted them during the Chinese Civil War, the Chinese now indirectly demanded territorial concessions on the basis that the 19th-century treaties transferring ownership of the sparsely-populated Outer Manchuria, concluded by Qing dynasty China and the Russian Empire, were "Unequal Treaties" and amounted to the annexation of rightful Chinese territory. Moscow would not accept that interpretation, but by 1964 the two sides had reached a preliminary agreement on the eastern section of the border, including Zhenbao Island, which would be handed over to China.[14][unreliable source]

In July 1964, CCP Chairman Mao Zedong, in a meeting with the Japanese Socialist Party delegation, stated that Russia had unilaterally incorporated vast territories in Siberia and the Far East as far as Kamchatka. He stated that China and Russia still had not resolved this issue. The comments were leaked to the public. Outraged, Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev refused to approve the border agreement
If the invasion of the Ukraine leads to the collapse of Russia, then PR China will probably take advantage of the opportunity.

Siberia has the natural resources that PR China desperately needs.
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the need for a collectively framed new order


The rules-based order has emerged as a key axis of the intensifying animosity between the West and the China-Russia partnership. Twenty years ago, Beijing and Moscow voiced guarded expressions of support, an acknowledgement that the trade regime, in particular, was central to their aspirations for economic development. Yet they also flagged a possible interest in unspecified amendments to the wider regime at some point in the future. Only in recent times—essentially since 2020—have China and Russia indicated more precisely where and how the rules-based order clashes with their interests and preferences.

The key points of contention emerging thus far concern economic competition, governance, and international security. While disputes in and around the international trade agenda probably attracted the most attention, grasping them is at least straightforward. Regarding governance and international security, the nature and intent of the Chinese and Russian positions is more challenging. China has indicated that, while its system of governance is distinctive in a number of ways, it is unacceptable to question its legitimacy or equivalent status to those in the West. China contends that a perfectly valid re-conceptualization of democracy—and related concepts such as universal human rights—means its approach to governance is legitimate and effective. Regarding international security, the China-Russia joint statement of Feb. 4 spoke of an aspiration to shape “a polycentric world order based on the universally recognized principles of international law, multilateralism and equal, joint, indivisible, comprehensive and sustainable security.”
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These are "political masturbation" .. political self pleasuring

One can google any rubbish and loooots of weird article will confirm the subject

To know who going downhill and who gaining, just look where one was 30 , 20, 10 , 5 yrs ago and where the other

1990 Russia was at point ZERO .. 1990 US was God the almighty

And now ?

:lol:

Got the message ?

Or still blurry :D
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I think it is a good idea to create a thread called "world affairs" .. certain subjects important for all



https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2022 ... ify%20wall

Russia and Iran Are Building a Trade Route That Defies Sanctions


Look, These sanction stuff very beneficial those New comers , mad mullahs (and now others)

Sanctions forces nations to build up "alternatives" .. those "alternatives" DILUTE western powers .. that leads to "multi polar coexistence"

That's where we heading now "multi polar coexistence"
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Medvedev tweet on his official account:

Many come up with futuristic hypotheses, as if competing to single out the wildest, and even the most absurd ones.

Here’s our humble contribution. What can happen in 2023:

1. Oil price will rise to $150 a barrel, and gas price will top $5.000 per 1.000 cubic meters

2. The UK will rejoin the EU

3. The EU will collapse after the UK’s return; Euro will drop out of use as the former EU currency

4. Poland and Hungary will occupy western regions of the formerly existing Ukraine

5. The Fourth Reich will be created, encompassing the territory of Germany and its satellites, i.e., Poland, the Baltic states, Czechia, Slovakia, the Kiev Republic, and other outcasts

6. War will break out between France and the Fourth Reich. Europe will be divided, Poland repartitioned in the process

7. Northern Ireland will separate from the UK and join the Republic of Ireland

8. Civil war will break out in the US, California. and Texas becoming independent states as a result. Texas and Mexico will form an allied state. Elon Musk’ll win the presidential election in a number of states which, after the new Civil War’s end, will have been given to the GOP

9. All the largest stock markets and financial activity will leave the US and Europe and move to Asia

10. The Bretton Woods system of monetary management will collapse, leading to the IMF and World Bank crash. Euro and Dollar will stop circulating as the global reserve currencies. Digital fiat currencies will be actively used instead

Season greetings to you all, Anglo-Saxon friends, and their happily oinking piglets!
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https://asiatimes.com/2023/01/russia-tu ... s-chagrin/


Turkey was fooled into this disaster by Obama

Now Turkey taking revenge

mad mullahs laughing, Iran the big winner in this , winning by default
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Heracleum Persicum wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 8:18 am


These are "political masturbation" .. political self pleasuring

One can google any rubbish and loooots of weird article will confirm the subject

To know who going downhill and who gaining, just look where one was 30 , 20, 10 , 5 yrs ago and where the other

1990 Russia was at point ZERO .. 1990 US was God the almighty

And now ?

:lol:

Got the message ?

Or still blurry :D
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Indeed.

Russia is turning into an even larger sh*thole . . . less than zero. The description, "a petrol [gas] station run by mobsters pretending to be a nation" is now more apt than ever.

The US is currently absorbed in petty and delusional parochial politics and culture contests while mostly ignoring real challenges.

However,

Visual Capitalist | Countries by Share of the Global Economy

The Russian economy is smaller than that of Canada

World Bank | GDP per capita (US $)

USA GDP per capita: US$ 70,248.6

Russia GDP per capita : US$ 12,194.8

Russia is mind-boggling unproductive.

Whom are you trying to kid?
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https://asiatimes.com/2023/01/india-bas ... ssian-oil/

Buying Russian oil is both economically and strategically advantageous for India. Russian oil comes at a discounted price, which benefits India as it imports 85% of the oil it consumes.

India’s oil purchases also help steady the Russian economy amid Western sanctions over the war in Ukraine. India sees Russia as a “steady and time-tested partner” and welcomes a multipolar global order that includes Russia. This position is contrary to many Western countries that want to see Russia defeated.
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The Plan to Carve Up Russia

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The globalist attempt to neuter Russia from Unz Review. Well argued and cited; primary sources referenced.

https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/the-plan-t ... up-russia/
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Nonc, you see too much conspiracy, but Russia sure enough is doing everything to fall apart into smaller statelets when it continues on this track. With or without the help of external forces. Would it be good news if Russia falls apart? Perhaps, but instability and power vacuums in general do not predict who/what fills the void and restore equilibrium. Maybe China would start a land grab in the east. I prefer an intact Russia over an expanding China. Russia, like Iran, is not far away ridding itself from its criminal tyrants. Give it 10-20 years. We should sit out Putin and see what/who comes after him. China not there yet at all. The CCP mafia is in full control and will be for a long time.

Ukraine is about only one thing: is murderous thug psychopath Putin allowed to win this war and continue killing defenseless civilians in Ukraine? Nopez. All other considerations are bubka gobbledegook irrelevancies. It is about if, how civilized peoples want and are able to defend themselves against violent murderous crooks like Putin.

Cyclopes from the USA and elsewhere who only see conspiracies are blind to the obvious. Unfortunately Western Europe is way too dependent on the US military. The only good thing the Biden admin is doing is its full support of Ukraine. The US is becoming an increasingly unpredictable madman due to the internal political dynamics which can best be described as insane. So an independent Western European military is better for everybody. Even better would be if a future and more civilized Russia joins NATO and participates in the neighborhood of civilized nationstates in Europe for economical and cultural cooperation.
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Nonc Hilaire wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 1:13 pm
The globalist attempt to neuter Russia from Unz Review. Well argued and cited; primary sources referenced.

https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/the-plan-t ... up-russia/

Yes , this is the plan since long long time

And

Interesting WebSite :lol:
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You could almost believe from reading that garbage that it wasn't Russia that invaded Ukraine. It's obviously the West's fault that Russia is in demographic collapse and is lashing out in its death throes.
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crashtech66 wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 7:08 pm
You could almost believe from reading that garbage that it wasn't Russia that invaded Ukraine. It's obviously the West's fault that Russia is in demographic collapse and is lashing out in its death throes.


By pushing NATO up to Russian borders, by including Baltics into NATO and establishing Nuke at Russian borders, West "invaded" Russian "Buffer Zone" .. Russia was too weak to counter, Vladimiro was re-arming, re-grouping (with mad mullahs and Xi).

West knew this, as Putin knew and mad mullahs knew and Xi knew

As in WW2 British Empire was cut to sizes, coming WW3 will make Western Empire history.

Winners will be, AGAIN , 3rd world .. India , Iran , Africa , Latino (called "the bystanders")
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the nukes on borders argument - every nuclear country can deliver nukes from where ever it wants/

Simple fact is their is no conspiracy that the west has been preparing for war against Russia its all out in the public and called NATO.

its no secret that the countries on Russias borders are scared that they will get destroyed like Chechnya, they scream it loud, they have been screaming it for decades - they understand Russia thinks its a "great power" and is allowed to bomb them when its feeling upset.

no conspiracy they want to join the EU and not the russia sphere - a few exceptions like Serbia who truly are on the side of smelling awfully like nazis.. or is that brave nationalist defenders of the faith.. cant tell anymore

this is all plain, public knowledge, I cant get my head around why anyone would think its relevant.

Russias pathetic victim talk is aimed at one obvious and easy audience - Africa and the Middle east, who dont really care about the details of europeans dropping bombs on eachother , its all shaudenfraude to them, and they like the story of "standing up to evil western imperialism"

The west and the middle east are a horror story going back centuries now, Im not sure anyone expects them to be on our side, I certainly dont.

the fact that some Americans think big bad macho Putin - who is as camp as the village people - is going to save them from the new world order of transvestites is kinda odd, but their is nothing much to say on it.

so, all we have left is that Russia thinks its a great power and now we get to find out if it really is.

can they beat the Ukrainians who are being propped up with the floor sweepings from the NATO warehouses - its nearly a year later now.
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