Scotland

[NapLajoieonSteroids]

The thing about bigger unions is that they ultimately get to dictate the rules of the game. You can be pretty sure than places like the US, Russia, Brazil or China won't be separating into little duchies and provinces anytime soon. No one has really got a way to counterbalance that.

[noddy]

i mostly believe that, my political kneejerk tends towards smaller groupings and decentralisation.

i do however enjoy the word "self", its almost as rich and absurdly multi layered in definitions as "love".

[Heracleum Persicum]

Maybe at the turn of every century world wide referendums can be held among the peoples of the nations if any borders need to be redrawn. Enough time to dialogue and consider things together first.

Most difficult issue, it seems to me, will always be who is allowed to vote. For instance in the case of the Crimea it is very obvious: should all Ukrainians have equal right to vote.. or only the Crimeans. You could try to first vote together, as an intermediate step, on who has the right to vote in the final referendum. But it wouldn't solve the problem. Or you could say the Crimeans can do a referendum and the remainder of the Ukraine as well, but separately. If both want the same.. then hell why not.

Self-determination means SELF-determination, determination by those concerned. For non-Catalan Spaniards to vote on independence for Catalonia would be anything but self-determination. Same in Crimea.

seconded

[monster_gardener]

Maybe at the turn of every century world wide referendums can be held among the peoples of the nations if any borders need to be redrawn. Enough time to dialogue and consider things together first.

Most difficult issue, it seems to me, will always be who is allowed to vote. For instance in the case of the Crimea it is very obvious: should all Ukrainians have equal right to vote.. or only the Crimeans. You could try to first vote together, as an intermediate step, on who has the right to vote in the final referendum. But it wouldn't solve the problem. Or you could say the Crimeans can do a referendum and the remainder of the Ukraine as well, but separately. If both want the same.. then hell why not.

Self-determination means SELF-determination, determination by those concerned. For non-Catalan Spaniards to vote on independence for Catalonia would be anything but self-determination. Same in Crimea.

Thank You Very MUCH for your post, Endovelico.

determination by those concerned

IMO a precise definition may be needed....

Does one simply need to speak Catalan, allowing Catalan speakers who live elsewhere in Spain/the World to vote..... Allowing a German to vote were he/she to learn Catalan......

Does one simply need to live in Catalonia, allowing people who do not speak Catalan to vote.........

Does one's ancestry count?.... For example if one has 1 or more great grandparents who lived in Catalonia &/or spoke Catalan, do he/she get to vote.........

Same in Crimea.

Similar problems in Crimea.....

There is a reason that Crimea is currently mostly Russian.......

Stalin...... Executions, Famines, and Deportations

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimea#In_the_Soviet_Union


FWIW, I suggest that IF this Risky game is going to be played, confine the vote to those actually living and paying taxes there Right Now/Willing to Fight if it goes Bloody...Right Soon......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMV-fenGP1g&feature=kp

rMV-fenGP1g

[Heracleum Persicum]

Self-determination means SELF-determination, determination by those concerned. For non-Catalan Spaniards to vote on independence for Catalonia would be anything but self-determination. Same in Crimea.

IMO a precise definition may be needed....

Does one simply need to speak Catalan, allowing Catalan speakers who live elsewhere in Spain/the World to vote..... Allowing a German to vote were he/she to learn Catalan......

Does one simply need to live in Catalonia, allowing people who do not speak Catalan to vote.........

Does one's ancestry count?.... For example if one has 1 or more great grandparents who lived in Catalonia &/or spoke Catalan, do he/she get to vote.........

Same in Crimea.

Similar problems in Crimea.....

There is a reason that Crimea is currently mostly Russian.......

Stalin...... Executions, Famines, and Deportations

In this kind of situation, where and when a historic change occurring (Catalonia, Basque, Corsica, Crimea), entering world community as independent state or merging with neighbor, those who decide the faith must be INDIGINI

I agree fully with Monster, one must define the INDIGINI, people who have the right to vote for such a decision

Indigini does not mean people who are there at the present or been there last 5,10,20 or 50 yrs

All those Russian criminals Zionist bringing in to Palestine, giving them free (paid by American tax payers) homes built on bulldozed Pali homes and olive grove, are invaders of Palestinian homes and have no right 2B in Palestine

Those people occupying Palestine are no INDIGINI

Only People should vote who were historically inhabitants of that space .. in that sense, those Latvian, Estonian, Polish and Ukrainian "converts" claiming (falsely) to believe in Judaism but with "Baghdadi Talmud" mindset, the Ukrainian Natanyaoo type of charlatans, those guys do not count as INDIGINI

Crimea, AFAIK, last few million yrs if not billion yrs, has always been next to Russia and as such was Russian and Tatar settled 1000s of yrs ago .. in that sense those Russians in Crimea and all over Ukraine count as INDIGINI .. Yes, Stalin did some push and pull, but that in "Völkerwanderung" is negligent

Yes, agree with Monster "precise definition may be needed"

in the meantime, today, Crimeans were enjoying "Tanzgruppe der russischen Marine" (curtesy Putin)

Tanzgruppe der russischen Marine.jpg (100.44 KiB) Viewed 1304 times

unrelated but very nice

_XxK2JJisEc

[Parodite]

HP, you have exactly the same mind set as the God gave us the Land Zionists. The illusion of a primordial entitlement for some indigenous core of holy elected, or we-were-here-first-or-at-least-before-you arbitrary monomaniacs.

However, reality everywhere is like this HP. You can land now with your flying dream carpet in the real world:

-evIyrrjTTY

[monster_gardener]

HP, you have exactly the same mind set as the God gave us the Land Zionists. The illusion of a primordial entitlement for some indigenous core of holy elected, or we-were-here-first-or-at-least-before-you arbitrary monomaniacs.

However, reality everywhere is like this HP. You can land now with your flying dream carpet in the real world:

-evIyrrjTTY

Thank You VERY MUCH for your post, Rhapsody

GREAT Video!

AFAICT "This Land is Mine" = Land Mine

That may end up blowing up the Northern Hemisphere or World


But what can you expect when the land is the choke point between Africa and Asia....

With too many Empire Builders and armies wanting to come through causing general mayhem and tearing up the grape arbors, fig trees & olive orchards

My suggestion is to turn the land/land mine into an Orion Nuclear Powered Rocket Space Port to enable the Israelis and friends to set up a New Jerusalem and similar sustainable space colonies in the Heavens

I suspect the fallout from this idea would change the area into an industrial zone where people would come to catch a flight to the Lunar South Pole or Asteroid colonies but where not even crazy people like Jihadis would want to live....*


Dirty.....

http://www.islandone.org/Propulsion/ProjectOrion.html

But could be the only quick off the shelf tech available to stop a space rock with short lead time to prepare...

http://www.ted.com/talks/george_dyson_on_project_orion

*Hat Tip to G_D for the Jacob's Ladder vision and Larry Niven with the Pak Homeworld Library which is kept radioactive so no one, not even a Pak Protector, wants to say "This Land is Mine" ....

[monster_gardener]

Self-determination means SELF-determination, determination by those concerned. For non-Catalan Spaniards to vote on independence for Catalonia would be anything but self-determination. Same in Crimea.

IMO a precise definition may be needed....

Does one simply need to speak Catalan, allowing Catalan speakers who live elsewhere in Spain/the World to vote..... Allowing a German to vote were he/she to learn Catalan......

Does one simply need to live in Catalonia, allowing people who do not speak Catalan to vote.........

Does one's ancestry count?.... For example if one has 1 or more great grandparents who lived in Catalonia &/or spoke Catalan, do he/she get to vote.........

Same in Crimea.

Similar problems in Crimea.....

There is a reason that Crimea is currently mostly Russian.......

Stalin...... Executions, Famines, and Deportations

In this kind of situation, where and when a historic change occurring (Catalonia, Basque, Corsica, Crimea), entering world community as independent state or merging with neighbor, those who decide the faith must be INDIGINI

I agree fully with Monster, one must define the INDIGINI, people who have the right to vote for such a decision

Indigini does not mean people who are there at the present or been there last 5,10,20 or 50 yrs

All those Russian criminals Zionist bringing in to Palestine, giving them free (paid by American tax payers) homes built on bulldozed Pali homes and olive grove, are invaders of Palestinian homes and have no right 2B in Palestine

Those people occupying Palestine are no INDIGINI

Only People should vote who were historically inhabitants of that space .. in that sense, those Latvian, Estonian, Polish and Ukrainian "converts" claiming (falsely) to believe in Judaism but with "Baghdadi Talmud" mindset, the Ukrainian Natanyaoo type of charlatans, those guys do not count as INDIGINI

Crimea, AFAIK, last few million yrs if not billion yrs, has always been next to Russia and as such was Russian and Tatar settled 1000s of yrs ago .. in that sense those Russians in Crimea and all over Ukraine count as INDIGINI .. Yes, Stalin did some push and pull, but that in "Völkerwanderung" is negligent

Yes, agree with Monster "precise definition may be needed"

in the meantime, today, Crimeans were enjoying "Tanzgruppe der russischen Marine" (curtesy Putin)

Tanzgruppe der russischen Marine.jpg

unrelated but very nice

_XxK2JJisEc

Thank You Very MUCH for your post, Azari.

Glad we agree that definitions are important....

FWIW, In this case I would tend to go with boots on the ground rather than letting Saucy Tartars vote in Fishy Elections

But given that the Cimmerians are the earliest recorded inhabitants of the Crimea........

The earliest inhabitants of whom we have any authentic traces were the Cimmerians,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of ... ly_history

If you want indigini to decide, then Conan the Cimmerian, also known as, Conan the Barbarian/Arnold Schwarzenegger gets to be Governorator /King of Crimea as the last known Cimmerian



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conan_the_ ... 82_film%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conan_the_Barbarian

[Heracleum Persicum]

Self-determination means SELF-determination, determination by those concerned. For non-Catalan Spaniards to vote on independence for Catalonia would be anything but self-determination. Same in Crimea.

IMO a precise definition may be needed....

Does one simply need to speak Catalan, allowing Catalan speakers who live elsewhere in Spain/the World to vote..... Allowing a German to vote were he/she to learn Catalan......

Does one simply need to live in Catalonia, allowing people who do not speak Catalan to vote.........

Does one's ancestry count?.... For example if one has 1 or more great grandparents who lived in Catalonia &/or spoke Catalan, do he/she get to vote.........

Same in Crimea.

Similar problems in Crimea.....

There is a reason that Crimea is currently mostly Russian.......

Stalin...... Executions, Famines, and Deportations

In this kind of situation, where and when a historic change occurring (Catalonia, Basque, Corsica, Crimea), entering world community as independent state or merging with neighbor, those who decide the faith must be INDIGINI

I agree fully with Monster, one must define the INDIGINI, people who have the right to vote for such a decision

Indigini does not mean people who are there at the present or been there last 5,10,20 or 50 yrs

All those Russian criminals Zionist bringing in to Palestine, giving them free (paid by American tax payers) homes built on bulldozed Pali homes and olive grove, are invaders of Palestinian homes and have no right 2B in Palestine

Those people occupying Palestine are no INDIGINI

Only People should vote who were historically inhabitants of that space .. in that sense, those Latvian, Estonian, Polish and Ukrainian "converts" claiming (falsely) to believe in Judaism but with "Baghdadi Talmud" mindset, the Ukrainian Natanyaoo type of charlatans, those guys do not count as INDIGINI

Crimea, AFAIK, last few million yrs if not billion yrs, has always been next to Russia and as such was Russian and Tatar settled 1000s of yrs ago .. in that sense those Russians in Crimea and all over Ukraine count as INDIGINI .. Yes, Stalin did some push and pull, but that in "Völkerwanderung" is negligent

Yes, agree with Monster "precise definition may be needed"

in the meantime, today, Crimeans were enjoying "Tanzgruppe der russischen Marine" (curtesy Putin)

Tanzgruppe der russischen Marine.jpg

unrelated but very nice

_XxK2JJisEc

Thank You Very MUCH for your post, Azari.

Glad we agree that definitions are important....

FWIW, In this case I would tend to go with boots on the ground rather than letting Saucy Tartars vote in Fishy Elections

But given that the Cimmerians are the earliest recorded inhabitants of the Crimea........

The earliest inhabitants of whom we have any authentic traces were the Cimmerians,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of ... ly_history

If you want indigini to decide, then Conan the Cimmerian, also known as, Conan the Barbarian/Arnold Schwarzenegger gets to be Governorator /King of Crimea as the last known Cimmerian



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conan_the_ ... 82_film%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conan_the_Barbarian

Now that we @ it, Monster, this quite interesting, did'nt know myself Polish nobility are Pomegranates

.

[Endovelico]

Scots independence support at highest level: Poll
Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:2PM GMT

Support for Scottish independence from the UK is at its highest level since last summer, a new poll has shown.

The poll, conducted by Panelbase for Newsnet Scotland, suggested on Thursday that support for Scotland to leave the UK stands at 40 percent, the highest since August last year.

It also showed that 45 percent of those questioned intended to vote against independence in the upcoming referendum, a decline of 2 points from the equivalent survey last month.

Fifteen percent of Scots are still over the fence, according to the poll.

Scotland's Deputy First Minister Nicola Sturgeon hailed the results of the poll saying, “This is another remarkable poll which shows increasing support for a Yes vote in September.”

Chief executive of Yes Campaign Blair Jenkins also described the results of the poll as “extremely encouraging.”

This latest rise in Scottish people opting out of the UK comes after the British Chancellor George Osborne, who is backed by the opposition at Westminster, announced last month that Scotland could not use the pound in case of independence.

The Scottish government, however, described the warning as part of attempts to bully Scotland to withdraw its independence bid.

The independence referendum is due to be held on September 18, when Scots will decide on whether they should break away from, or stay with, the UK after more than 300 years of political union.

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2014/03/2 ... est-level/

[Endovelico]

[Torchwood]

That seems to have been a flash in the pan , the Yes vote has seen a collapse in recent weeks, for two reasons:

- the No campaign was (rightly) accused of being too negative, banging on about the costs to Scotland of independence. That is true, but people vote with their hearts, not heads, and they have changed tack. Historically, on their own England and Scotland were middling nations, together they were Great (Scotland did very well out of the union, and Scots virtually ran the Empire). Moreover Cameron has offered to negotiate virtually total Home Rule for Scotland, all except monetary policy, defence and foreign policy - effectively more independence than as a separate state, as Scotland would not have to reapply to the EU, UN etc. This poses interesting constitutional questions for the UK as a whole, but of that more later.

- an incredible and hilarious gaffe by Scot Nationalist leader/Chief Minister Alex Salmond, who expressed admiration for Putin, for sticking up for his nation. What does Salmond intend to do:
- revive the Scots claim to English border town Berwick upon Tweed, and send masked gunmen to seize the town hall?
- bring back theBorder Reivers?

[Heracleum Persicum]

That seems to have been a flash in the pan , the Yes vote has seen a collapse in recent weeks, for two reasons:

- the No campaign was (rightly) accused of being too negative, banging on about the costs to Scotland of independence. That is true, but people vote with their hearts, not heads, and they have changed tack. Historically, on their own England and Scotland were middling nations, together they were Great (Scotland did very well out of the union, and Scots virtually ran the Empire). Moreover Cameron has offered to negotiate virtually total Home Rule for Scotland, all except monetary policy, defence and foreign policy - effectively more independence than as a separate state, as Scotland would not have to reapply to the EU, UN etc. This poses interesting constitutional questions for the UK as a whole, but of that more later.

- an incredible and hilarious gaffe by Scot Nationalist leader/Chief Minister Alex Salmond, who expressed admiration for Putin, for sticking up for his nation. What does Salmond intend to do:
- revive the Scots claim to English border town Berwick upon Tweed, and send masked gunmen to seize the town hall?
- bring back theBorder Reivers?

wondering why British Pound not collapsing .. probably Brits said to those clowns (Sheiks & Amirs ) to buy buy buy BP

Should short BP

After Scotland comes Welsh .. after that .. it ain't "Great" Britain but "MINI" Britain

and

Hände weg von MALVINAS

.

[monster_gardener]

That seems to have been a flash in the pan , the Yes vote has seen a collapse in recent weeks, for two reasons:

- the No campaign was (rightly) accused of being too negative, banging on about the costs to Scotland of independence. That is true, but people vote with their hearts, not heads, and they have changed tack. Historically, on their own England and Scotland were middling nations, together they were Great (Scotland did very well out of the union, and Scots virtually ran the Empire). Moreover Cameron has offered to negotiate virtually total Home Rule for Scotland, all except monetary policy, defence and foreign policy - effectively more independence than as a separate state, as Scotland would not have to reapply to the EU, UN etc. This poses interesting constitutional questions for the UK as a whole, but of that more later.

- an incredible and hilarious gaffe by Scot Nationalist leader/Chief Minister Alex Salmond, who expressed admiration for Putin, for sticking up for his nation. What does Salmond intend to do:
- revive the Scots claim to English border town Berwick upon Tweed, and send masked gunmen to seize the town hall?
- bring back theBorder Reivers?

wondering why British Pound not collapsing .. probably Brits said to those clowns (Sheiks & Amirs ) to buy buy buy BP

Should short BP

After Scotland comes Welsh .. after that .. it ain't "Great" Britain but "MINI" Britain

and

Hände weg von MALVINAS

.

Thank You Very Much for your post, Azari.

Hände weg von MALVINAS

Would not surprise me much if Argentina might get the Falkland Islands some day especially the way things seem to be setting up......

For a Nuclear War in the Northern Hemisphere........

Probably not tomorrow...

But remember the Chinese Dragons have at least 6 wars they want to fight........

China is not yet a unified great power. This is a humiliation to the Chinese people, a shame to the children of the Yellow Emperor. For the sake of national unification and dignity, China has to fight six wars in the coming fifty years. Some are regional wars; the others may be total wars. No matter what is the nature, each one of them is inevitable for Chinese unification.

http://midnightexpress2046.wordpress.co ... -50-years/

http://www.haohaoreport.com/chinese-his ... t-50-years

Maybe 7 wars if Iran tries to get what it claims in Far Western China.....

And we have the obama Arrogant Red Lined LYING Mouthy Son of a Bitch Eater Mess in Ukraine......

And probably pretty soon China's Little Norky Devil Dog is going to get mad about not getting enough attention

Of course even if the Doldrums keep the fallout radiation to sub-lethal levels......

I suspect it is still going to be somewhat difficult in the Southern Hemisphere......

Wondering whether the Falklands are going to be sustainable post-War......

Either on their own with their sheep & fish.......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands#Economy

Or even if Argentina takes over........

The Falkland Islanders might end up as refugees in Argentina....

If they are lucky......

Per FerFal the Argentinian Survivalist, Argentina has been mini-Hell/Purgatory even with the Northern Hemisphere intact for some Argentinians to flee to.........

http://ferfal.blogspot.com/


Could be bad for Tristan da Cunha too......

They've been through this before when the volcano erupted...

That time they went to England......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tristan_da_Cunha

But no guarantees that it won't be Even Worse........

Best to have sustainable colonies on/in the Moon & Asteroids......

[Endovelico]

Scottish independence campaign is gaining ground, polls show
Gap between yes and no camps has narrowed with five months to go until referendum
theguardian.com, Sunday 20 April 2014 15.46 BST

The campaign for Scottish independence appears to be gaining ground, according to new polls.

With five months to go before the referendum that could lead to Scotland leaving the UK, the gap between the yes and no camps has narrowed, suggesting a two-point swing could be enough to secure independence on 18 September.

An ICM poll for the Scotland on Sunday newspaper shows support for independence is at 39%, while opposition has fallen four points to 42%.

Excluding people who have not yet made up their minds, the results put yes on 48% and no on 52%.

It is the highest level of support for independence since last August, leading the Yes Scotland campaign group to claim it is confident of securing the necessary two-point swing.

A second poll by Survation for the Sunday Post puts a yes vote up one point to 38% and a no vote down one point to 46%.

(...)

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ound-polls

Torchwood,
The latest opinion polls seem to confirm an increasing vote for independence. We will have to wait and see...

[Parodite]

When a fat majority of the Scotts want independence.. then what?

[Endovelico]

Obama Tells Scotland Not to Secede From Britain - Also Warns Britain Not to Exit the European Union
by Jason Ditz, June 05, 2014

Speaking at a press conference at the end of the G7 summit, President Obama has urged Scottish voters to reject independence, saying that it is not in America’s interest to see Scotland independent from Britain.

The comments mark the first direct US intervention in the upcoming referendum, and were quickly criticized by Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond, saying Scotland only wanted the same independence the US got hundreds of years ago, and that they are fortunate enough to be able to get it through a vote instead of a war of independence.

Obama’s comments insisted the US has an “extraordinary partner” in the United Kingdom, and doesn’t want to see it risked. Salmond said the US could have two partners if Scotland is independent.

The comments are unusually direct, as most nations have tried to avoid direct involvement in the Scottish independence movement, and Obama’s opposition is unlikely to change much, except giving it more publicity.

Such meddling appears to be common for Obama, and in the same conference he warned Britain against leaving the European Union, insisting the US wants Britain to remain in the EU to “ensure prosperity.”

http://news.antiwar.com/2014/06/05/obam ... m-britain/

This is all the SNP needed to make sure Scots would vote for independence. And UKIP may now be more confident the UK will leave the EU... I didn't think Obama could be this dumb...

[Parodite]

Petty separatists.

[monster_gardener]

Obama Tells Scotland Not to Secede From Britain - Also Warns Britain Not to Exit the European Union
by Jason Ditz, June 05, 2014

Speaking at a press conference at the end of the G7 summit, President Obama has urged Scottish voters to reject independence, saying that it is not in America’s interest to see Scotland independent from Britain.

The comments mark the first direct US intervention in the upcoming referendum, and were quickly criticized by Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond, saying Scotland only wanted the same independence the US got hundreds of years ago, and that they are fortunate enough to be able to get it through a vote instead of a war of independence.

Obama’s comments insisted the US has an “extraordinary partner” in the United Kingdom, and doesn’t want to see it risked. Salmond said the US could have two partners if Scotland is independent.

The comments are unusually direct, as most nations have tried to avoid direct involvement in the Scottish independence movement, and Obama’s opposition is unlikely to change much, except giving it more publicity.

Such meddling appears to be common for Obama, and in the same conference he warned Britain against leaving the European Union, insisting the US wants Britain to remain in the EU to “ensure prosperity.”

http://news.antiwar.com/2014/06/05/obam ... m-britain/

This is all the SNP needed to make sure Scots would vote for independence. And UKIP may now be more confident the UK will leave the EU... I didn't think Obama could be this dumb...

Thank You VERY Much for your post, Endovelico.

I didn't think Obama could be this dumb...

I agree that it's dumb, Endo.

For example: What happens if the UKIP gains power?

But I had confidence in his stupidity

It's also Arrogance......

The Arrogant, Bloviating, DumbA$$, Incompetent, LYING, Mouthy, Son of a Bitch Eater just can't keep his Big Red Lined Mouth shut........

Has to run what he considers his Magical Mouth hoping to make the World the way he wants it to be......

Can't seem to really understand that his Magic Executive Order pen is powerful mostly inside the US....

[Endovelico]

It's now 51% to 49% in favour of independence.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... mentpage=1

[Doc]

Obama Tells Scotland Not to Secede From Britain - Also Warns Britain Not to Exit the European Union
by Jason Ditz, June 05, 2014

Speaking at a press conference at the end of the G7 summit, President Obama has urged Scottish voters to reject independence, saying that it is not in America’s interest to see Scotland independent from Britain.

The comments mark the first direct US intervention in the upcoming referendum, and were quickly criticized by Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond, saying Scotland only wanted the same independence the US got hundreds of years ago, and that they are fortunate enough to be able to get it through a vote instead of a war of independence.

Obama’s comments insisted the US has an “extraordinary partner” in the United Kingdom, and doesn’t want to see it risked. Salmond said the US could have two partners if Scotland is independent.

The comments are unusually direct, as most nations have tried to avoid direct involvement in the Scottish independence movement, and Obama’s opposition is unlikely to change much, except giving it more publicity.

Such meddling appears to be common for Obama, and in the same conference he warned Britain against leaving the European Union, insisting the US wants Britain to remain in the EU to “ensure prosperity.”

http://news.antiwar.com/2014/06/05/obam ... m-britain/

This is all the SNP needed to make sure Scots would vote for independence. And UKIP may now be more confident the UK will leave the EU... I didn't think Obama could be this dumb...

Thank You VERY Much for your post, Endovelico.

I didn't think Obama could be this dumb...

I agree that it's dumb, Endo.

For example: What happens if the UKIP gains power?

But I had confidence in his stupidity

It's also Arrogance......

The Arrogant, Bloviating, DumbA$$, Incompetent, LYING, Mouthy, Son of a Bitch Eater just can't keep his Big Red Lined Mouth shut........

Has to run what he considers his Magical Mouth hoping to make the World the way he wants it to be......

Can't seem to really understand that his Magic Executive Order pen is powerful mostly inside the US....

No doubt Obama won't resort to the pen when he has so many drones at hand to deal with the extremists of the SSIB(Scottish State In Britain) Well maybe he will If they cross a red line or something. But absolutely no troops on the ground except to protect US diplomats and personnel Unless of course there is is some internet video denigrating the religious beliefs of the Scots. In that case they are on their own After all, what difference does it make?

[Typhoon]

Hardly surprising position of the US.

The Bush I admin was very much in favour of the Cold War status quote warning the Baltic nations and others to not give Gorby a hard time and to not break up the former USSR.

[Doc]

Hardly surprising position of the US.

The Bush I admin was very much in favour of the Cold War status quote warning the Baltic nations and others to not give Gorby a hard time and to not break up the former USSR.

As I recall Bush I didn't want The Tienanmen square massacre to hurt US Sino relations and in fact sent James Baker to Beijing the following week. Where he made a toast the Chinese leadership

[Alexis]

Would possible Scottish independence be contagious?

Spain in particular would be under huge pressure as a result and could easily be the next European country to split. As Deutsche Bank points out, the Catalans and Basques will be watching carefully; and further afield, separatists in Flanders, northern Italy and elsewhere will be jumping up and down with joy. In Catalonia, the regional government wants to hold a referendum in November but the legality of it is heavily contested; it will become much harder for Madrid to continue to stall if the Scots vote for independence.

My own guess is that if Scotland goes, Spain will break up and so will Belgium – Italy is less likely to follow suit but one never knows, especially given its never-ending economic stagnation and debilitated political system.

(...)

A referendum on EU membership would become much more likely; and a rest-of-the-UK departure from the EU almost certain. In turn, other countries would probably also choose to go it alone; it is not just nation states that would begin to fragment but also supra national bureaucracies.

The pressure will be especially acute in France, where President Francois Hollande is almost completely discredited and where the Fifth Republic and the current constitutional settlement look increasingly fragile. With the dreadful Marine le Pen now in the lead in the opinion polls, all bets are off, especially if unemployment continues to rise, the UK quits the EU and Spain, Belgium and the rest split up. A union of extremists and populists from Left and Right would be an extremely potent force in France.

I'm not sure about the widest consequences seen by Allister Heath. It's true the reduced UK would have an even larger part of the people wanting to exit the EU, but that would not necessarily be enough for the UK political leadership to organize one, when it would run against the interests both of the City and the US. And the rise of Le Pen here in France is not correlated with events in Scotland and would be only marginally facilitated by UK exit.

About pressure on Catalonia and on Flanders, I have to concurr.

[Nonc Hilaire]

I think a single malt government for Scotland would naturally be more representative. Why wouldn't any country want to escape the parasitic influence of the EU/NATO control system at this point.