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kmich wrote: Fri May 22, 2020 2:58 pm Hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine with or without a macrolide for treatment of COVID-19: a multinational registry analysis
In this large multinational real-world analysis, we did not observe any benefit of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine (when used alone or in combination with a macrolide) on in-hospital outcomes, when initiated early after diagnosis of COVID-19. Each of the drug regimens of chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine alone or in combination with a macrolide was associated with an increased hazard for clinically significant occurrence of ventricular arrhythmias and increased risk of in-hospital death with COVID-19.
Science | A mysterious company’s coronavirus papers in top medical journals may be unraveling
On its face, it was a major finding: Antimalarial drugs touted by the White House as possible COVID-19 treatments looked to be not just ineffective, but downright deadly. A study published on 22 May in The Lancet used hospital records procured by a little-known data analytics company called Surgisphere to conclude that coronavirus patients taking chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine were more likely to show an irregular heart rhythm—a known side effect thought to be rare—and were more likely to die in the hospital.

Within days, some large randomized trials of the drugs—the type that might prove or disprove the retrospective study’s analysis—screeched to a halt. Solidarity, the World Health Organization’s (WHO’s) megatrial of potential COVID-19 treatments, paused recruitment into its hydroxychloroquine arm, for example.
The Lancet | Expression of concern: Hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine with or without a macrolide for treatment of COVID-19: a multinational registry analysis
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Protective Adaptive Immunity Against Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronaviruses 2 (SARS-CoV-2) and Implications for Vaccines
Abstract

Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) is an emerging human coronavirus responsible for coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), a predominantly respiratory disease that has become a global pandemic. Millions of people worldwide are suffering from COVID-19, and hundreds of thousands of those infected have died. Nevertheless, many more people who have been infected with SARS-CoV-2 are asymptomatic or suffer a mild disease characterized by dry cough and mild fever. This new pandemic poses a threat to public health on a global scale, and an intervention to prevent continued spread of SARS-CoV-2 virus is of the utmost importance. To assess preventive and therapeutic strategies, it is imperative to understand the pathogenesis and immune response against SARS-CoV-2. In this review, we concentrate on the protective adaptive immune response elicited by this novel coronavirus as well as requirements for a successful vaccine inducing optimal protection.
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In other words wearing masks all the time while highly effective was initially discourage because the criminal CCP bought 2.2 billion masks (HALF THE WORLD'S ANNUAL OUTPUT) and shipped them back to China, before before stopping its lies and telling the world the truth that the CCP virus spread human to human. Thus causing an acute shortage of masks in the rest of the world when they were most needed. So whole economies had to be shut down instead of people wearing masks. And if you still think the shut downs were not necessary:
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Note that the peak happened on April 6th -- Here is the timeline up to that point:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_ ... )#Timeline
March 1 saw the first confirmed case of COVID-19 in New York State, a 39-year-old woman health care worker who lived in Manhattan,[2] who had returned from Iran on February 25 with no symptoms at the time. She went into home isolation with her husband.[9]

On March 3, a second case was confirmed, a lawyer in his 50s who lived in New Rochelle, Westchester County, immediately north of New York City, and worked in Midtown Manhattan at a law firm within One Grand Central Place.[10] He had traveled to Miami in February, but had not visited areas known to have widespread transmission of the coronavirus. Two of his four children had recently returned from Israel. After first feeling ill on February 22, he was admitted to a hospital in Westchester on February 27, diagnosed with pneumonia, and released from isolation after testing negative for the flu.[11][12] Instances of panic buying in New York were reported after his case was confirmed.[13]

On March 4, the number of cases in New York State increased to 11 as nine people linked to the lawyer tested positive, including his wife, a son, a daughter, a neighbor, and a friend and his family.[14]

On March 5, New York City mayor Bill de Blasio said that coronavirus fears should not keep New Yorkers off the subway, riding from Fulton Street to High Street in a public press attempt to demonstrate the subway's safety.[15]

On March 6, eleven new cases were reported, bringing the state caseload to 33.[16] All the new cases were tied to the first community transmission case, the lawyer.[17] At the end of the day, an additional 11 new cases were reported by the governor, bringing the total caseload to 44, with 8 of the new cases in Westchester County, and 3 in Nassau County on Long Island.[18] Also on March 6, an article appeared in the New York Post stating that while Mayor de Blasio assigned responsibility for the lack of N95 masks and other personal protective equipment to the federal government, the city never ordered the supplies until that date.[19]

On March 7, Governor Andrew Cuomo declared a state of emergency in New York after 89 cases had been confirmed in the state, 70 of them in Westchester County, 12 in New York City and 7 elsewhere.[20]

On March 8, the state reported 16 new confirmed cases and a total of 106 cases statewide.[21] New York City issued new commuter guidelines amid the current outbreak, asking sick individuals to stay off public transit, encouraging citizens to avoid densely packed buses, subways, or trains.[22]
Location of the New Rochelle Containment Area within Westchester County
National Guard personnel disinfect the dais of New Rochelle City Hall.

On March 9, Mayor de Blasio announced that there were 16 confirmed cases of COVID-19 in New York City.[23] On March 10, Governor Cuomo announced a containment zone in the city of New Rochelle from March 12 to 25.[24]

On March 11, Cuomo announced that the City University of New York and State University of New York schools would be closed for the following week, from March 12 to 19. These college systems would move most classes to an online-based system starting March 19, and continuing through the rest of the spring semester. Dormitories will remain open for students "who cannot return home for hardship reasons."[25] Also on March 11, a man in Monroe County tested positive, making it the first county in Western New York to have a COVID-19 case.[26] Officials said he flew into JFK from Italy, traveled on a Greyhound bus from Manhattan to Rochester, and arrived locally the morning of March 10. The bus continued on to Buffalo and Toronto.[27]

On March 12, the first two cases were confirmed in Albany County, leading Albany mayor Kathy Sheehan to suspend the annual St. Patrick's Day parade.[28] The same day, a staff member at Union College tested positive for coronavirus in Schenectady County, marking the county's first case.[29]

On March 13, Herkimer County saw its first confirmed case but declined to disclose the patient's location. The patient later was revealed to have been from the Mohawk/Ilion area, just south of Herkimer, the county seat.[30]

On March 14, the first two fatalities in the state occurred. An 82-year-old woman in Brooklyn with pre-existing emphysema died in the hospital.[31] A 65-year-old person with other significant health problems who had not previously been tested for COVID-19 died at their home in Suffern, Rockland County.[32] It was also announced that three people in Erie County tested positive for COVID-19.[33] Orange County, Dutchess County and Ulster County closed down all their schools.[34]

On March 15, the third fatality in the state was announced. A 79-year-old woman with underlying health issues died, who had been admitted to a New York City hospital.[35]

On March 16, Clinton County reported its first case, at CVPH Medical Center in Plattsburgh. No further information has been revealed about the patient.[36] Confirmed cases increased by 4,000 between March 22 and 23, which brought the total number of confirmed cases statewide to nearly 21,000.[37] 12,305 of these were in New York City.[38]

On March 24, Cuomo stated that "The apex is higher than we thought and the apex is sooner than we thought." He warned there was not enough assistance from the federal government and that the state had 25,000 cases and at least 210 deaths.[39] 211 NYPD officers and civilian employees have tested positive for COVID-19. In total, 2,774 NYPD employees, 7.6 percent of the workforce, were sick.[40] There were approximately 4,000 positive cases in Westchester County by March 24,[41] and more than 15,000 confirmed cases by April 9.[42]

On March 26, Cuomo announced that the state would allow two patients to share one ventilator using a technique he called "splitting," where a second set of tubes would be added to the ventilator. COVID-19 patients need ventilators for between 11 and 21 days, while under normal circumstances patients usually only require them for three to four days. He also said the state was considering converting anesthesia machines to use as ventilators.[43] Between March 25 and March 26, there were 100 deaths statewide, with the number of hospitalized patients increasing by 40 percent in New York City.[44]

Researchers at Cornell University created an interactive map to visualize the spread of COVID-19 in New York State.[45]
We now know that Ventilators are pretty much worse that useless in treating the CCP Virus, and we know that masks work to stem the spread of the CCP virus. The latter we did not have enough of because of the criminal regime in Beijing
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apparently our medical system is having a cultural meltdown
"There's a problem, which is there's a generational difference in expectations where we see a clash of an old-style culture which was very much a resilience culture with a new culture which is very much a collaborative based, empathetic culture," he said.

"The younger practitioners are very good at admitting their vulnerabilities and knowledge gaps and having that treated sensitively, whereas the older practitioners came up in a system where you got the good stuff beaten into you.


https://www.watoday.com.au/national/wes ... 5524o.html
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noddy wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:35 am apparently our medical system is having a cultural meltdown
"There's a problem, which is there's a generational difference in expectations where we see a clash of an old-style culture which was very much a resilience culture with a new culture which is very much a collaborative based, empathetic culture," he said.

"The younger practitioners are very good at admitting their vulnerabilities and knowledge gaps and having that treated sensitively, whereas the older practitioners came up in a system where you got the good stuff beaten into you.


https://www.watoday.com.au/national/wes ... 5524o.html
:lol: Weird, it's almost like medical professionals are a microcosm of humanity. I bet they've already solved this problem in CHAZ.

It's like when you tell a small child: "Stay away from the hot stove or you'll get burnt!" If they get near the stove and don't get burnt, you gotta smack em to protect them from the next time. If they get near the stove and burn themselves, the lesson's over and you don't have to do anything.

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Nature | Coronavirus breakthrough: dexamethasone is first drug shown to save lives
In a large trial, a cheap and widely available steroid cut deaths by one-third among patients critically ill with COVID-19.
Promising, although this is again a case of publication by press release.

Hope that the paper is published soon so that it can be reviewed, beyond basic peer-review, by specialists.

Health News Review | Following the dexamethasone COVID-19 drug news as it unfolds today
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Something I noticed that I have not seen linked together anywhere. It seems Native American populations both North and South are getting hit very hard by the coronavirus.

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Tom, Dick, & Harry: I will base my actions on what behavior benefits "me" before I base my actions on what behavior benefits "we."

Paying more than $10 to perform this study was a waste of somebody's money. Coulda just called up Fred and been done with one phone call.
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It would have helped a great deal if the "medical experts" at the top of this nation's health care system had not lied to the country about the effectiveness of wearing macks and instead told people that "masks while not 100% effective do actually help reduce transmission of the CCP Virus to others But that there not enough to go around(because the CCP lied about the CCP virus then bought 2.2 billion masks and shipped them back to China) even for medical workers so please wear a cloth mask of some kind over your mouth and nose. This will help some."

Now people don't trust the "Medical Experts". I just can't imagine why :roll:
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Dicredited article right here:
The analysis, conducted in partnership with Applied XL, a Newlab Venture Studio company, found that one in every six trials was designed to study the malaria drugs hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine, which have been shown to have no benefit in hospitalized patients.
The Studies of HCQ were done of late stage patients. HCQ is thought to inhibit the reproduction of the COVID virus inside the cells by promoting cell infusion of Zinc into the cells.
This is an anti-virual drug. It does not fix damage in late stages. Even CNN has a story on HCQ cutting the mortality rate by 50%

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/health/h ... index.html
Note the headline was changed to make it more negative after it was published
Study finds hydroxychloroquine may have boosted survival, but other researchers have doubts


By Maggie Fox, Andrea Kane, and Elizabeth Cohen, CNN

Updated 1:31 PM ET, Fri July 3, 2020

(CNN)A surprising new study found the controversial antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine helped patients better survive in the hospital. But the findings, like the federal government's use of the drug itself, were disputed.
A team at Henry Ford Health System in southeast Michigan said Thursday their study of 2,541 hospitalized patients found that those given hydroxychloroquine were much less likely to die.
Dr. Marcus Zervos, division head of infectious disease for Henry Ford Health System, said 26% of those not given hydroxychloroquine died, compared to 13% of those who got the drug. The team looked back at everyone treated in the hospital system since the first patient in March.
"Overall crude mortality rates were 18.1% in the entire cohort, 13.5% in the hydroxychloroquine alone group, 20.1% among those receiving hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin, 22.4% among the azithromycin alone group, and 26.4% for neither drug," the team wrote in a report published in the International Journal of Infectious Diseases.

It's a surprising finding because several other studies have found no benefit from hydroxychloroquine, a drug originally developed to treat and prevent malaria. President Donald Trump touted the drug heavily, but later studies found not only did patients not do better if they got the drug, they were more likely to suffer cardiac side effects.
The US Food and Drug Administration withdrew its emergency use authorization for the drug earlier this month and trials around the world, including trials sponsored by the World Health Organization and the National Institutes of Health, were halted.
Researchers not involved in the Henry Ford study pointed out it wasn't of the same quality of the studies showing hydroxychloroquine did not help patients, and said other treatments, such as the use of the steroid dexamethasone, might have accounted for the better survival of some patients.
"Our results do differ from some other studies," Zervos told a news conference. "What we think was important in ours ... is that patients were treated early. For hydroxychloroquine to have a benefit, it needs to begin before the patients begin to suffer some of the severe immune reactions that patients can have with Covid," he added.


The Henry Ford team also monitored patients carefully for heart problems, he said.
"The combination of hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin was reserved for selected patients with severe COVID-19 and with minimal cardiac risk factors," the team wrote.
The Henry Ford team said they believe their findings show hydroxychloroquine could be potentially useful as a treatment for coronavirus.
"It's important to note that in the right settings, this potentially could be a lifesaver for patients," Dr. Steven Kalkanis, CEO of the Henry Ford Medical Group, said at the news conference.

Kalkanis said that their findings do not necessarily contradict those of earlier studies. "We also want to make the point that just because our results differ from some others that may have been published, it doesn't make those studies wrong or definitely a conflict. What it simply means is that by looking at the nuanced data of which patients actually benefited and when, we might be able to further unlock the code of how this disease works," he said.
"Much more work needs to be done to elucidate what the final treatment plan should be for Covid-19," Kalkanis added. "But we feel ... that these are critically important results to add to the mix of how we move forward if there's a second surge, and in relevant other parts of the world. Now we can help people combat this disease and to reduce the mortality rate."
Zervos said hydroxychloroquine can help interfere with the virus directly and also reduces inflammation.
The CNN Article does mention a NY Study one of 20 that actually looked at pateints that received HCQ early but if you go to the link to that CNN article it clearly says the study had not been released in several conflicting statements between the health Dept of NY State and the CDC as to why it had not been released.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/22/health/h ... index.html

New York researcher says preliminary results of hydroxychloroquine study are ready, but state hasn't released them



By Elizabeth Cohen, Senior Medical Corresponden
What's more the CNN article does not even give passing mention to the retracted Lancet study of HCQ that caused a halt to all the double blind studies of HCQ that would definitively say whether it works or not.

I call BullSh*t
Next thing they will be claiming the real cause for COVID is climate change. New rule never trust an expert We are in the post-expert age.
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Doc wrote: Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:34 am I call BullSh*t
Next thing they will be claiming the real cause for COVID is climate change. New rule never trust an expert We are in the post-expert age.
Here you go...
https://time.com/5848681/covid-19-world ... nment-day/
COVID-19 Is a Symptom of a Bigger Problem: Our Planet’s Ailing Health
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Doc wrote: Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:34 am
Dicredited article right here:
The analysis, conducted in partnership with Applied XL, a Newlab Venture Studio company, found that one in every six trials was designed to study the malaria drugs hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine, which have been shown to have no benefit in hospitalized patients.
The Studies of HCQ were done of late stage patients. HCQ is thought to inhibit the reproduction of the COVID virus inside the cells by promoting cell infusion of Zinc into the cells.
This is an anti-virual drug. It does not fix damage in late stages. Even CNN has a story on HCQ cutting the mortality rate by 50%

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/health/h ... index.html
Note the headline was changed to make it more negative after it was published
Study finds hydroxychloroquine may have boosted survival, but other researchers have doubts


By Maggie Fox, Andrea Kane, and Elizabeth Cohen, CNN

Updated 1:31 PM ET, Fri July 3, 2020

(CNN)A surprising new study found the controversial antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine helped patients better survive in the hospital. But the findings, like the federal government's use of the drug itself, were disputed.
A team at Henry Ford Health System in southeast Michigan said Thursday their study of 2,541 hospitalized patients found that those given hydroxychloroquine were much less likely to die.

. . .
Publication by press release or, even worse, by CNN is worth less than zero.
- Findings of this observational study . . .
Unless it is a properly designed and properly performed double-blind clinical trial, a non-trivial undertaking, then the reported results are worth nada. To be generous, any observational study should be taken with a large crystal of salt.

There are exceptions, such as the discovery of insulin and penicillin, where the outcomes were invariably binary - survive or die. However, once one starts talking about percentage improvement then the above necessary, but not sufficient, conditions apply.
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Colonel Sun wrote: Thu Jul 09, 2020 9:10 pm
Doc wrote: Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:34 am
Dicredited article right here:
The analysis, conducted in partnership with Applied XL, a Newlab Venture Studio company, found that one in every six trials was designed to study the malaria drugs hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine, which have been shown to have no benefit in hospitalized patients.
The Studies of HCQ were done of late stage patients. HCQ is thought to inhibit the reproduction of the COVID virus inside the cells by promoting cell infusion of Zinc into the cells.
This is an anti-virual drug. It does not fix damage in late stages. Even CNN has a story on HCQ cutting the mortality rate by 50%

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/health/h ... index.html
Note the headline was changed to make it more negative after it was published
Study finds hydroxychloroquine may have boosted survival, but other researchers have doubts


By Maggie Fox, Andrea Kane, and Elizabeth Cohen, CNN

Updated 1:31 PM ET, Fri July 3, 2020

(CNN)A surprising new study found the controversial antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine helped patients better survive in the hospital. But the findings, like the federal government's use of the drug itself, were disputed.
A team at Henry Ford Health System in southeast Michigan said Thursday their study of 2,541 hospitalized patients found that those given hydroxychloroquine were much less likely to die.

. . .
Publication by press release or, even worse, by CNN is worth less than zero.
- Findings of this observational study . . .
Unless it is a properly designed and properly performed double-blind clinical trial, a non-trivial undertaking, then the reported results are worth nada. To be generous, any observational study should be taken with a large crystal of salt.

There are exceptions, such as the discovery of insulin and penicillin, where the outcomes were invariably binary - survive or die. However, once one starts talking about percentage improvement then the above necessary, but not sufficient, conditions apply.
I disagree. Tx is a rational, command decision and not a logical fact. A physician must make an immediate decision based on the evidence at hand.

Even a perfectly performed double-blind study only provides general guidelines. This is why drug package inserts are so long.

Theoretical physics can wait indefinitely on logical near certainties. Medicine can’t.
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Doc wrote: Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:34 am I call BullSh*t
Next thing they will be claiming the real cause for COVID is climate change. New rule never trust an expert We are in the post-expert age.
Here you go...
https://time.com/5848681/covid-19-world ... nment-day/
COVID-19 Is a Symptom of a Bigger Problem: Our Planet’s Ailing Health
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Colonel Sun wrote: Thu Jul 09, 2020 9:10 pm
Doc wrote: Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:34 am
Dicredited article right here:
The analysis, conducted in partnership with Applied XL, a Newlab Venture Studio company, found that one in every six trials was designed to study the malaria drugs hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine, which have been shown to have no benefit in hospitalized patients.
The Studies of HCQ were done of late stage patients. HCQ is thought to inhibit the reproduction of the COVID virus inside the cells by promoting cell infusion of Zinc into the cells.
This is an anti-virual drug. It does not fix damage in late stages. Even CNN has a story on HCQ cutting the mortality rate by 50%

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/health/h ... index.html
Note the headline was changed to make it more negative after it was published
Study finds hydroxychloroquine may have boosted survival, but other researchers have doubts


By Maggie Fox, Andrea Kane, and Elizabeth Cohen, CNN

Updated 1:31 PM ET, Fri July 3, 2020

(CNN)A surprising new study found the controversial antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine helped patients better survive in the hospital. But the findings, like the federal government's use of the drug itself, were disputed.
A team at Henry Ford Health System in southeast Michigan said Thursday their study of 2,541 hospitalized patients found that those given hydroxychloroquine were much less likely to die.

. . .
Publication by press release or, even worse, by CNN is worth less than zero.
- Findings of this observational study . . .
Unless it is a properly designed and properly performed double-blind clinical trial, a non-trivial undertaking, then the reported results are worth nada. To be generous, any observational study should be taken with a large crystal of salt.

There are exceptions, such as the discovery of insulin and penicillin, where the outcomes were invariably binary - survive or die. However, once one starts talking about percentage improvement then the above necessary, but not sufficient, conditions apply.
The only problem with your double blind trial study is that everyone that has been done with HCQ has either be canceled because of now retracted studies or seems to have been designed for the drug to fail. Almost as if it had been planned that way.
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HCQ was not politicized in my country and the studies came and went without a change in policy

I believe its all moved on from there.
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noddy wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:21 am HCQ was not politicized in my country and the studies came and went without a change in policy

I believe its all moved on from there.
There haven't been any real double blind studies of it WRT coronavirus. The CCP Lied The WHO lied. Fauci lied (about masks and admitted it later) A lot of "experts" lied. The big Social Media companies have been censoring anything that contradicts the experts. Even after what the experts said turns out not to be true. I smell fish.
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Nonc Hilaire wrote: Thu Jul 09, 2020 9:33 pm
Colonel Sun wrote: Thu Jul 09, 2020 9:10 pm
Doc wrote: Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:34 am
Dicredited article right here:
The analysis, conducted in partnership with Applied XL, a Newlab Venture Studio company, found that one in every six trials was designed to study the malaria drugs hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine, which have been shown to have no benefit in hospitalized patients.
The Studies of HCQ were done of late stage patients. HCQ is thought to inhibit the reproduction of the COVID virus inside the cells by promoting cell infusion of Zinc into the cells.
This is an anti-virual drug. It does not fix damage in late stages. Even CNN has a story on HCQ cutting the mortality rate by 50%

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/health/h ... index.html
Note the headline was changed to make it more negative after it was published
Study finds hydroxychloroquine may have boosted survival, but other researchers have doubts


By Maggie Fox, Andrea Kane, and Elizabeth Cohen, CNN

Updated 1:31 PM ET, Fri July 3, 2020

(CNN)A surprising new study found the controversial antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine helped patients better survive in the hospital. But the findings, like the federal government's use of the drug itself, were disputed.
A team at Henry Ford Health System in southeast Michigan said Thursday their study of 2,541 hospitalized patients found that those given hydroxychloroquine were much less likely to die.

. . .
Publication by press release or, even worse, by CNN is worth less than zero.
- Findings of this observational study . . .
Unless it is a properly designed and properly performed double-blind clinical trial, a non-trivial undertaking, then the reported results are worth nada. To be generous, any observational study should be taken with a large crystal of salt.

There are exceptions, such as the discovery of insulin and penicillin, where the outcomes were invariably binary - survive or die. However, once one starts talking about percentage improvement then the above necessary, but not sufficient, conditions apply.
I disagree. Tx is a rational, command decision and not a logical fact. A physician must make an immediate decision based on the evidence at hand.
When first faced with a new disease for which there is no established treatment protocol, medical doctors will try an untested treatment based on previous knowledge and experience. This is entirely reasonable. However, at some point it is important and necessary to determine what actually works and what does not.
Nonc Hilaire wrote: Thu Jul 09, 2020 9:33 pm Even a perfectly performed double-blind study only provides general guidelines. This is why drug package inserts are so long.
Drug package inserts are so long due to potential liability with regards to side-effects, most being uncommon and often rare.
Nonc Hilaire wrote: Thu Jul 09, 2020 9:33 pm Theoretical physics can wait indefinitely on logical near certainties. Medicine can’t.
An underlying concept in medicine, which dates back to Hippocrates, is "First, do no harm."
May the gods preserve and defend me from self-righteous altruists; I can defend myself from my enemies and my friends.
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