The U.K.

[Mr. Perfect]

That's what I had heard.

[noddy]

Huge blow to socialism and globalism in the UK. Maybe a place to migrate to.

They have a fully nationalised and socialised health and housing.
All weapons are illegal, including knives.

Their globalist immigration policy wont change with brexit, the conditions for its existing havent changed.

Hmm. Did Corbyn run on more of this or less of it.

he was a leftist loon who was even too loony for the left, which is an achievement.

America could have non stop democrat governments for 20 years and probably still be less socialist than the UK.

[Mr. Perfect]

Could be, but that doesn't reflect the reality of this election I don't think.

I am still watching fallout from Corbynites, it is strange to have a party so obliterated who can't name a single thing they could have done differently.

[Miss_Faucie_Fishtits]

For the lulz if nothing else......'>..........

ASSOCIATE CITIZENSHIP PETITION

Dear Prime Minister,

We will now, it is clear, leave the EU. Those who did not want this have lost. I understand you believe this to be in the national interest and that you have a democratic mandate for it. But I hope you can understand that for me, and my fellow signatories, it will involve a profound wrench. We will experience it as the loss of an important part of our identity.

So I write to ask you, respectfully, to take up an initiative your predecessor declined to support in your negotiations on our future relationship with the EU. The initiative is for a form of Associate Citizenship – for those who want it. It will not hinder your negotiations but it would be a hugely significant olive branch to us.

For you to take up the initiative would be the act of a statesman, it is precisely what bringing the country together looks like.

With kind regards,

Jolyon Maugham QC, and the following signatories.

https://goodlawproject.org/petition/goo ... Zc.twitter

Okay.... now this is serious butthurt.....'>........

https://pjmedia.com/trending/corbyn-we- ... or-change/

[Simple Minded]

Okay.... now this is serious butthurt.....'>........

https://pjmedia.com/trending/corbyn-we- ... or-change/

Thanks for posting LG

a mindset necessary for life long political careerism. "In the long run, we're all dead..... but our ideals/party/church/beliefs will never die!"

If only I had a nickel for each time I've heard "The election we just won was a huge historic victory! This shows the people really are behind us!" or
"The election we just lost was insignificant and not an indicator of how the public really thinks or feels!"

not without historical precedent. In Brit parlance, it is known as keeping a stiff upper lip.

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I think the real solution is voluntary citizen ship. Kinda like having a CostCo membership. It's there if you want to use it, but most people won't use it on a daily basis.

[Simple Minded]

Verrrryyyy Interestink.

https://unherd.com/2019/12/is-this-the-end-for-labour/

[noddy]

Verrrryyyy Interestink.

https://unherd.com/2019/12/is-this-the-end-for-labour/

Yes, this quote is the thing ive been talking about in Australia and represents the split between Greens and Labour.

But the woke liberals and Toytown revolutionaries who now dominate the party didn’t listen to us. They truly thought that ‘one more heave’ would bring victory. They believed that constantly hammering on about economic inequality would be enough to get Labour over the line. In doing so, they made a major miscalculation: they failed to grasp that working-class voters desire something more than just economic security; they want cultural security too.

They want politicians to respect their way of life, and their sense of place and belonging; to elevate real-world concepts such as work, family and community over nebulous constructs like ‘diversity’, ‘equality’ and ‘inclusivity’. By immersing itself in the destructive creed of identity politics and championing policies such as open borders, Labour placed itself on a completely different wavelength to millions across provincial Britain without whose support it simply could not win power.

Still, while its good for the anti woke sentiment, its a real mistake to think these folks want a small government, right wing outcome - they are lefties, just not globalist lefties.

[Mr. Perfect]

Verrrryyyy Interestink.

https://unherd.com/2019/12/is-this-the-end-for-labour/

Hmm, looks like my theory could have worked.

[NapLajoieonSteroids]

Boris Johnson a man of the people type? A class traitor type? Hardly- I don't think there is much indication of that beyond the stage persona. He is most certainly a demagogue- however unfortunate it is that the word is thrown around so often to be almost meaningless- but all indications is that he's rather snobby behind the act.

It's David Cameron with a boy's haircut. Probably a more wily version, and hopefully more politically clever.

[NapLajoieonSteroids]

Huge blow to socialism and globalism in the UK. Maybe a place to migrate to.

They have a fully nationalised and socialised health and housing.
All weapons are illegal, including knives.

Their globalist immigration policy wont change with brexit, the conditions for its existing havent changed.

From this outsider perspective, the problem remains how devastating some areas are the farther one moves away from London. There are some very bad areas in the US I would move to quicker than what I saw in northern England, for example. I say that with my own biases of course, but its a scalar problem, and one the people in London don't seem all that keen to tackle.

[noddy]

Chavs have been rejecting middle class niceties for longer than america has existed, they are the backbone of the British empire and the only problem now is the lack of outsiders to beat up.

[Simple Minded]

Yes, this quote is the thing ive been talking about in Australia and represents the split between Greens and Labour.

Still, while its good for the anti woke sentiment, its a real mistake to think these folks want a small government, right wing outcome - they are lefties, just not globalist lefties.

well said. even the most collectivist of collectivists starts feeling out of place when the group of "we" gets too big.

"I want to feel like I belong to a common culture, but only if their culture and my culture have something in common.

It is a perennial problem over here for the DC types. How to cater to special interests while attempting to appeal to the common culture that does not exist in such a vast and diverse culture.

Shirley, if you offer the masses the choice between Diet Coke and Diet Pepsi, they'll all be happy.

[Simple Minded]

Chavs have been rejecting middle class niceties for longer than america has existed, they are the backbone of the British empire and the only problem now is the lack of outsiders to beat up.

In the olden days, this was regarded as a rebellious phase of youth, now it is evidence that all of society needs to be reformed. Getting your girlfriend pregnant and getting married domesticated a lot of yutes.

I remember reading years ago that Thomas Sowell noted that American Redneck culture really came from Northern England, while our more sophisticated northern culture came from Southern England.

Blacks moving from the south to the north were disliked just as much for the redneck culture they brought with them, as for their skin color.

Chris Rock did a great routine on this. Jeff Foxworthy is an honorable mention.

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[NapLajoieonSteroids]

Chavs have been rejecting middle class niceties for longer than america has existed, they are the backbone of the British empire and the only problem now is the lack of outsiders to beat up.

There are them too

I was more thinking about the farther away from the capital one gets, the more the government is the sole economic driver of the area. Leaving aside any judgements of whether it is a good or bad thing; or even acknowledging that it works for them; it creates a very different scenarios with completely different actors and motivations and the way all the pieces interact.

It's always been this way for England I suppose. But technology has only exacerbated it and the official policy seems to be put our heads in the sand and pretend it doesn't exist.

And then there is the weird farmer/herder/peasant contingent...I'm not even gonna pretend to understand it but some of the biggest remainers I know are small farmer types with centuries old farms, some which predate all of this...

I don't know the ins and outs of it, but it all seems to be layers of baggage about land use and ownership and the whole nine yards that we just don't quite have an equivalent to. Small/Family farm vs corporate/big farm doesn't really cover it.

[noddy]

Their is no head in the sand, everyone knows the rules, we have a simmilar (but different) thing playing out over here with the Aboriginals - you with the Native Americans, its not a perfect analogy but rural whites are the grumpy natives of england.

The subsidies that keep those folks alive must also be finely tuned to make sure they live worse than a toilet cleaner, otherwise the toilet cleaner wonders what they are doing.

the left wing believes you should make more money based on how educated you are, the right wing believes you should make more money based on successful your product is, those folks dont fit into either of those world views

the european politics which favours traditional communities is probably better for all of them than the globalist model of get more efficient or die.

our world suits passive aggresive, uni educated, cube farm dwellers with weak family links, who slip into heirachies nicely, both government and corporate are built off them.

huge swathes of our cultures arent cut out for that technocrat lifestyle , England just has older and more established versions of it.

America is perhaps the only part of the anglosphere that allows for those kind of groups to live their own thing , for the rest of us the compulsory middle class thing just grinds em to pieces.
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it might be simpler than that, it might be weather - yours is much more pleasant than Englands (frozen hell hole in winter) or Austrlias (burning hell hole in summer)

[Simple Minded]

At least in the US, a lot of it has to to with "elbow room."

Pick a climate from Hell in winter to Hell in summer to virtually no change in seasons.

Pick an era, 1870s, 1900s, 1920s, 1950s, 1980s, etc.

Pick your topography, ocean front, big mountains, little mountains, desert, tropical rain forest, etc.

then get off the internet and go there....

[noddy]

yeh, in American terms, 80% of Australia is the Badlands.

We get alot of immigration from the North of England to my part of the world, the Guardian keeps telling em its a racist white paradise and then they arrive and discover its an increasingly asian multicultural place.

they are forming big enclaves on the beach front, north and south of the established city, long term it might get interesting I spose.

you can always tell where the northern english have moved to , the hospitals get overloaded with glassings .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glassing

[NapLajoieonSteroids]

Well, to throw some more generalizations around- I'll say that the northerners are some of the most cynical and depressive people I've ever met.

Can't get blood from a stone; but one can certainly try

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I'm don't know the ins and outs of the australian aborigines but a quick google search says that they are a six-digit population at about 3% of Australia's total population. The Native American population, between the 570 tribes sits around 6 million people in total. Or the amount of Jewish Americans in the United States.

There are 15 million people living in Northern England; and about 8% of that is foreign born; 3% from the EU/Ireland and 5% from former colonies. That is lower than the 13% in the rest of the country...but arguably not by much. So that makes northern england's english about 13.8 million people. The United Kingdom is what, 67 million overall? Or about 21 percentage of the population.

The analogy of these groups as examples of outsiders breaks down at those numbers.

...unless one takes the Lichenstein/Dubai city-state thing as the template. Or maybe it's more of a Spartan/Helots dynamic.

[Simple Minded]

Well, to throw some more generalizations around- I'll say that the northerners are some of the most cynical and depressive people I've ever met.

As someone who spent the first half of their life in NY state, and the second half in VA (aside from some brief stints elsewhere), I would agree.

Not sure it has much to do with longitude, but a lot to do with high population density, too much concrete and asphalt, shitty weather and a lack of sunshine.

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[NapLajoieonSteroids]

Just as a fun aside, I was pressured into participating in the last United Kingdom census. So I'm on the rolls as one of them, and I was actually forced to sign my real name to it. Still feel bad about all of that. I can't really recall what I had to answer, but when they asked for my status of residency I just wrote 'confused'.

I never overstayed any visas or anything like that- I do know that...but I probably counted towards some official illegal immigrant tally someones were working on.

[noddy]

Well, to throw some more generalizations around- I'll say that the northerners are some of the most cynical and depressive people I've ever met.

for me thats eastern europeans, but I will not deny its a tight contest.

I'm don't know the ins and outs of the australian aborigines but a quick google search says that they are a six-digit population at about 3% of Australia's total population. The Native American population, between the 570 tribes sits around 6 million people in total. Or the amount of Jewish Americans in the United States.

There are 15 million people living in Northern England; and about 8% of that is foreign born; 3% from the EU/Ireland and 5% from former colonies. That is lower than the 13% in the rest of the country...but arguably not by much. So that makes northern england's english about 13.8 million people. The United Kingdom is what, 67 million overall? Or about 21 percentage of the population.

The analogy of these groups as examples of outsiders breaks down at those numbers.

...unless one takes the Lichenstein/Dubai city-state thing as the template. Or maybe it's more of a Spartan/Helots dynamic.

all analogies only go so far and you are right, the bigger numbers make it more complicated politically.

my intended point was they are all equally indifferent to the plans of others and the goals of middle class modernity.
right, wrong, right, left, up, down and sideways, they dont give a lavender how you are going to train them to not be themselves.

this makes the government options quite limited.

[NapLajoieonSteroids]

Well, to throw some more generalizations around- I'll say that the northerners are some of the most cynical and depressive people I've ever met.

for me thats eastern europeans, but I will not deny its a tight contest.

oh! Eastern Europeans are up there as well.

all analogies only go so far and you are right, the bigger numbers make it more complicated politically.

my intended point was they are all equally indifferent to the plans of others and the goals of middle class modernity.
right, wrong, right, left, up, down and sideways, they dont give a lavender how you are going to train them to not be themselves.

this makes the government options quite limited.

No, you make good points. Us Americans are very blessed at our size where we still can somewhat avoid some of this. The American experience doesn't really scale with what is going on in the UK.

Again, drawing on my own experience, a lot of it was alien- like the specific worries over immigration.

[noddy]

Personally, I still think all those groups are ahead of the curve, not behind it.

In aus they are mostly found in the north east and while they never get the booms or the high living, they never notice the downturns and the busts either.

for the next few decades thats going to be the best place to be I fear.

[NapLajoieonSteroids]

Personally, I still think all those groups are ahead of the curve, not behind it.

In aus they are mostly found in the north east and while they never get the booms or the high living, they never notice the downturns and the busts either.

for the next few decades thats going to be the best place to be I fear.

Wait, which groups? The Aborigines, Indians and Englishmen?

[noddy]

Personally, I still think all those groups are ahead of the curve, not behind it.

In aus they are mostly found in the north east and while they never get the booms or the high living, they never notice the downturns and the busts either.

for the next few decades thats going to be the best place to be I fear.

Wait, which groups? The Aborigines, Indians and Englishmen?

the aborigines and the first draft of northern englishmen which became bogans

indians and chinese are full steam ahead on the mega urban thing, they like a life in walking distance, especially the chinese

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Huge difference between Aus and USA is that our slavery model was poor people from Ireland and Northern England coming out as convicts.