U.S. Foreign Policy

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obama been helping ISIS from the beginning. Well stablished.

[kmich]

National security experts back settling Syrian refugees

WASHINGTON — Former top national security officials in Republican and Democratic administrations on Tuesday urged Congress to continue allowing the resettlement of Syrian and Iraqi refugees in the United States.

"Refugees are victims, not perpetrators, of terrorism," the 19 retired military, security experts and others wrote in a letter sent to all lawmakers. "Categorically refusing to take them only feeds the narrative of ISIS that there is a war between Islam and the West, that Muslims are not welcome in the United States and Europe, and that the ISIS caliphate is their true home."

ISIS is one of the acronyms for Islamic State militants.

Among those signing the letter are former secretaries of state Henry Kissinger, George Shultz and Madeleine Albright. Retired Gen. David Petraeus also signed the letter, as did former Homeland Secretary Michael Chertoff and onetime Defense Secretaries Leon Panetta and Chuck Hagel.

Last month, the House voted overwhelmingly to erect high hurdles for Syrian and Iraqi refugees to come to the United States in the aftermath of the terror attacks in Paris. The bill would require new FBI background checks and individual sign-offs from three high-ranking U.S. officials before any refugee could come to the U.S. from Iraq or Syria, where the Islamic State group that has claimed credit for the attacks has flourished.

The administration, which has announced plans to accept about 10,000 Syrian refugees in addition to the 2,500 who have settled here since 2011, says it already takes around 18-24 months on average for them to make it into this country. They must pass a battery of screening requirements including interviews overseas, fingerprinting and biometric investigations. Many are women and children and only about 2 percent are single men of combat age.

Republicans have called for a pause in the system, a reflection of their constituents' anxiety. Forty-seven House Democrats broke with President Barack Obama and backed the legislation.

The bipartisan group of former officials said they opposed the legislation, arguing that the vetting of refugees is robust and thorough.

"Given the stringent measures in place, we are especially concerned by proposals that would derail or further delay the resettlement of Iraqis who risked their lives to work with the U.S. military and other U.S. organizations," the letter said.

The legislation is pending in the Senate, where Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., said Tuesday that the issue will be part of the must-pass spending bill that Congress needs to complete later this month to keep the government open.

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National security experts back settling Syrian refugees

WASHINGTON — Former top national security officials in Republican and Democratic administrations on Tuesday urged Congress to continue allowing the resettlement of Syrian and Iraqi refugees in the United States.

"Refugees are victims, not perpetrators, of terrorism," the 19 retired military, security experts and others wrote in a letter sent to all lawmakers. "Categorically refusing to take them only feeds the narrative of ISIS that there is a war between Islam and the West, that Muslims are not welcome in the United States and Europe, and that the ISIS caliphate is their true home."

ISIS is one of the acronyms for Islamic State militants.

Among those signing the letter are former secretaries of state Henry Kissinger, George Shultz and Madeleine Albright. Retired Gen. David Petraeus also signed the letter, as did former Homeland Secretary Michael Chertoff and onetime Defense Secretaries Leon Panetta and Chuck Hagel.

Last month, the House voted overwhelmingly to erect high hurdles for Syrian and Iraqi refugees to come to the United States in the aftermath of the terror attacks in Paris. The bill would require new FBI background checks and individual sign-offs from three high-ranking U.S. officials before any refugee could come to the U.S. from Iraq or Syria, where the Islamic State group that has claimed credit for the attacks has flourished.

The administration, which has announced plans to accept about 10,000 Syrian refugees in addition to the 2,500 who have settled here since 2011, says it already takes around 18-24 months on average for them to make it into this country. They must pass a battery of screening requirements including interviews overseas, fingerprinting and biometric investigations. Many are women and children and only about 2 percent are single men of combat age.

Republicans have called for a pause in the system, a reflection of their constituents' anxiety. Forty-seven House Democrats broke with President Barack Obama and backed the legislation.

The bipartisan group of former officials said they opposed the legislation, arguing that the vetting of refugees is robust and thorough.

"Given the stringent measures in place, we are especially concerned by proposals that would derail or further delay the resettlement of Iraqis who risked their lives to work with the U.S. military and other U.S. organizations," the letter said.

The legislation is pending in the Senate, where Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., said Tuesday that the issue will be part of the must-pass spending bill that Congress needs to complete later this month to keep the government open.

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Fuel tankers with oil freely cross the border between Turkey and Iraq


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Oil Trucks entering Turkey .. Turkish flag clearly visible

Erdogan should resign now.

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Russia presents proof of Turkey’s role in ISIS oil trade

Turkey’s leadership, including President Erdogan and his family, is involved in illegal oil trade with Islamic State militants, ..

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Today, we are presenting only some of the facts that confirm that a whole team of bandits and Turkish elites stealing oil from their neighbors is operating in the region,” Antonov said, adding that this oil “in large quantities” enters the territory of Turkey via “live oil pipelines,” consisting of thousands of oil trucks.

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“According to our data, the top political leadership of the country - President Erdogan and his family – is involved in this criminal business.”

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“The income of this terrorist organization was about $3 million per day. After two months of Russian airstrikes their income was about $1.5 million a day,” Lieutenant-General Sergey Rudskoy said.

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For the past two months, Russia’s airstrikes hit 32 oil complexes, 11 refineries, 23 oil pumping stations, Rudskoy said, adding that the Russian military had also destroyed 1,080 trucks carrying oil products.

“These [airstrikes] helped reduce the trade of the oil illegally extracted on the Syrian territory by almost 50 percent.”

Up to 2,000 fighters, 120 tons of ammunition and 250 vehicles have been delivered to Islamic State and Al-Nusra militants from Turkish territory, chief of National Centre for State Defense Control Lt.Gen. Mikhail Mizintsev said.

“According to reliable intelligence reports, the Turkish side has been taking such actions for a long time and on a regular basis. And most importantly, it is not planning to stop them.”

“One thing is clear. The role that Turkey is playing in this area is in many ways destructive and it’s affecting the European security, it’s affecting its neighbors. Ultimately it’s affecting its own society,” Uzi Arad, former head of research at Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency told RT.

Folks from "Central Asian Steps" invaded and "plunder" our beloved (Christian) Eastern Roman Empire Byzantine .. and now this .. stealing from Mesopotamia and Greater Syria

Where is Ibrahim hiding ? ?


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Despite mounting evidence of ISIS oil smuggling,
US-led coalition not striking oil trucks convoys heading to Turkey
Russia’s General Staff says.

Despite mounting evidence of ISIS oil smuggling, the US-led coalition in Syria and Iraq is not striking convoys of oil trucks heading to Turkey, Russia’s General Staff has said.

“It’s hard not to notice” the thousands of trucks used by terrorists for oil smuggling, Lieutenant General Sergey Rudskoy, deputy commander of the General Staff, said at a briefing in Moscow on Wednesday.

“However, we see no strikes on those convoys by the coalition - only a tripling in the number of strategic UAVs has been observed,” he said.

With the US and its allies unwilling to act, the Russian Defense Ministry has reported the locations where Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) oil tankers are concentrated, Rudskoy said.

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Since September 30, when its airstrikes in Syria began, Russia has eliminated 32 Islamic State oil complexes, 11 refineries and 23 oil pump stations, Rudskoy said, adding that the Russian military had also destroyed 1,080 trucks carrying oil products.

“The income of this terrorist organization was about US$3 million per day. After two months of Russian airstrikes their income was about $1.5 million a day,” he said.

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Antonov stressed that Turkey’s leadership, including President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and his family, is involved in illegal oil trade with the jihadists.

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an apartment in Manhattan
and a job at an unidentified investment bank were awaiting him

By some accounts, Pollard likely has a million-dollar-plus nest egg waiting for him in a bank account somewhere outside the United States, representing his accumulated earnings dutifully deposited for him by the Israeli intelligence service Mossad to compensate him for his arrest and the time spent in prison. Pollard’s first wife Anne, who also did prison time, is currently suing the Israeli government for compensation for her own pain and suffering now that her former husband has been released.

Pollard is on parole and is required to wear an ankle bracelet that monitors his movements, designed to prevent his fleeing to Israel. He cannot leave the United States for five years even though he has been granted citizenship by the Knesset and has both a town square and a residential building in Jerusalem named after him. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has declared an unofficial holiday in his honor and there will no doubt be a victory parade, as he is regarded as a hero by most Israelis.

Pollard has according to some reports offered to renounce his U.S. citizenship. Two congressmen from New York, Jerrold Nadler and Eliot Engel, as well as the Israeli government of Prime Minister Netanyahu have called on President Obama to let Pollard immediately emigrate to Israel, but there is no indication that the Justice Department will agree. The Pentagon and intelligence community have reportedly voiced strong objections over the risk that Pollard continues to represent due to his alleged photographic memory and his ability to provide context to the documents that he stole.

As I have been following the Pollard case for a number of years, I carefully read many of the media reports on the parole and release from prison. Most were fairly offhand in their coverage, but a number focused on what they discerned to be the main points in the story: that Pollard was spying for an “ally,” that his sentence was alleged to be disproportionately harsh, that anti-Semitism might have played a part in that sentence, and that the information stolen related only to Israel’s enemies. In short, Pollard was a good man only working to help a beleaguered Israel by obtaining intelligence that was being held back by the United States government and who, when caught, was more severely punished than other comparable spies.

As much of the narrative being promoted by the mainstream media is completely false and even hypocritical, it is important to correct the record to demonstrate just exactly what Pollard was as well as what damage he did. Those who are calling for Pollard’s freeing from probation both in Israel and among Israel’s friends in the U.S. should look to the example of how Israel has itself treated Mordechai Vanunu, who revealed the existence of Israel’s nuclear arsenal in 1986. He was drugged and kidnapped, convicted in a secret trial, and spent 18 years in prison, 11 of which were in solitary confinement. Since his release in 2004, he has not been allowed to leave Israel or speak to journalists and has been re-arrested a number of times.

It is difficult to find a moral high ground when it comes to spying, but Pollard’s friends pretend that the espionage was carried out to help a small and vulnerable ally better defend itself. There is no evidence that Pollard ever thought in those terms himself, and the Pentagon investigation concluded that he was only motivated by money. He reportedly wanted to get rich and before he approached the Israelis he offered to sell his information to several other countries, including Pakistan and then-under-apartheid South Africa. After Pollard was caught, he pleaded guilty to one count of mishandling classified information and was sentenced to life imprisonment in 1987.

Over the years since Pollard was sentenced I have had the good fortune to speak to several former senior intelligence officials who were involved in doing the damage assessment of what the Israeli spy exposed. They were sworn to secrecy on the details of what actually occurred but were able to make some general comments. They agreed on several points, namely that Pollard was the most damaging spy bar none since the Rosenberg espionage ring betrayed U.S. nuclear secrets to the Soviets in the 1940s; that Pollard exposed entire intelligence collection and deterrent systems that had to be recreated or abandoned at a cost of billions of dollars; and that Pollard, who has never shown any genuine remorse for what he did, should never be released from prison.

When Pollard was awaiting sentencing his lawyers sought to influence presiding Judge Aubrey Robinson into agreeing to minimal jail time, claiming that the espionage was really only a misguided bid to aid a beleaguered friend and ally Israel. Pollard’s wife Anne also appealed directly to the Jewish community to support her and her husband, claiming on “60 Minutes” that “our moral obligation was as Jews.” Secretary of Defense Cap Weinberger responded to the pleas by submitting to the judge a letter, which is still classified, detailing precisely the immense damage that Pollard had done. After reviewing the letter, Judge Robinson refused to consider any mitigation and immediately sentenced Pollard to the maximum possible sentence.

In January 2014, M.E. “Spike” Bowman, who was at the time the liaison between the Departments of Defense and Justice and coordinator of the damage assessment, wrote an op-ed entitled “Don’t Trust This Spy” for the New York Times and also provided his assessment of Pollard in a paper presented at the March 7th 2014 National Summit to Reassess the US-Israel Special Relationship. Bowman confirmed the unique damage done by Pollard, observing that there has been no other American spy who provided “information of the quantity and quality that Mr. Pollard has.” To cope with the volume, the Israelis had to install high speed copiers in a safehouse apartment they used with Pollard and it is estimated that he stole 360 cubic feet of documents, enough to fill a room. And it was nearly all information that was beyond secret, meaning top secret and SCI or codeword, which is the most sensitive information that the United States government possesses. The Israelis were delighted and were able to request specific documents from a Defense Intelligence Agency catalog of available intelligence reports that had been given to them by another of their spies in the government, who has never been publicly identified but is generally believed to be a top-level official who served in both the Clinton and George W. Bush administrations. Pollard’s high-level clearance meant that he could get his Israeli Washington Embassy-based case officer Colonel Avi Sella, who was also running spy Ben-Ami Kadish at the Picatinny Arsenal in New Jersey, anything that he wanted.

For those who hint at anti-Semitism to make their claim that Pollard was treated with disproportionate rigor Bowman notes that it was not a normal espionage case. The conviction was under a special statute (18 US Code 194) that protects information related to “…nuclear weaponry, military spacecraft or satellites, early warning systems, or other means of defense or retaliation against large scale attack; war plans; communications intelligence or cryptographic information.” In other words, information that would make the United States vulnerable to attack by an enemy or would limit its ability to respond.

Pollard had provided intelligence to Israel relating to nearly every one of the key national security elements detailed in 18 USA Code 194 and, most particularly, had provided the Radio Signal Notations Manual, which contained details of how the United States collects signals intelligence as well as the known parameters of the systems used by the Soviet Union. The information would enable an adversary to avoid collection by American codebreakers and, if in the hands of a sophisticated adversary like the Soviets, would permit penetration of U.S. systems. Former CIA Director William Casey and others believed that the Israelis provided at least some of the stolen information to the Soviet Union in exchange for the expedited emigration of Russian Jews.

It should also be recognized that the focus on Pollard has obscured the duplicitous behavior by the Israeli government and its proxies in the U.S. I recall when I was in Turkey shortly after Pollard was arrested a delegation of the American Jewish Committee came through town and met with the Consul General and later the Ambassador, insisting that Pollard was some kind of nut and assuring all who would listen that Israel would never spy on the United States. That spin prevailed in much of the media and among the punditry, calling it a “rogue operation,” until Tel Aviv finally ‘fessed up in 1998. The fact is that the Pollard spy operation was approved at the highest levels of the Israeli government and to this day Tel Aviv has reneged on its agreement to return all of the material stolen to enable the Pentagon to do a complete damage assessment. And Israel continues to spy aggressively on the United States, ranking first among “friendly” countries in that category.

Philip Giraldi, a former CIA officer, is executive director of the Council for the National Interest.

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National security experts back settling Syrian refugees

WASHINGTON — Former top national security officials in Republican and Democratic administrations on Tuesday urged Congress to continue allowing the resettlement of Syrian and Iraqi refugees in the United States.

"Refugees are victims, not perpetrators, of terrorism," the 19 retired military, security experts and others wrote in a letter sent to all lawmakers. "Categorically refusing to take them only feeds the narrative of ISIS that there is a war between Islam and the West, that Muslims are not welcome in the United States and Europe, and that the ISIS caliphate is their true home."

ISIS is one of the acronyms for Islamic State militants.

Among those signing the letter are former secretaries of state Henry Kissinger, George Shultz and Madeleine Albright. Retired Gen. David Petraeus also signed the letter, as did former Homeland Secretary Michael Chertoff and onetime Defense Secretaries Leon Panetta and Chuck Hagel.

Last month, the House voted overwhelmingly to erect high hurdles for Syrian and Iraqi refugees to come to the United States in the aftermath of the terror attacks in Paris. The bill would require new FBI background checks and individual sign-offs from three high-ranking U.S. officials before any refugee could come to the U.S. from Iraq or Syria, where the Islamic State group that has claimed credit for the attacks has flourished.

The administration, which has announced plans to accept about 10,000 Syrian refugees in addition to the 2,500 who have settled here since 2011, says it already takes around 18-24 months on average for them to make it into this country. They must pass a battery of screening requirements including interviews overseas, fingerprinting and biometric investigations. Many are women and children and only about 2 percent are single men of combat age.

Republicans have called for a pause in the system, a reflection of their constituents' anxiety. Forty-seven House Democrats broke with President Barack Obama and backed the legislation.

The bipartisan group of former officials said they opposed the legislation, arguing that the vetting of refugees is robust and thorough.

"Given the stringent measures in place, we are especially concerned by proposals that would derail or further delay the resettlement of Iraqis who risked their lives to work with the U.S. military and other U.S. organizations," the letter said.

The legislation is pending in the Senate, where Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., said Tuesday that the issue will be part of the must-pass spending bill that Congress needs to complete later this month to keep the government open.

Thank You Very Much for your post, kmich

Just like in the original parable, smart Good Samaritans take wounded strangers/enemies/refugees to an inn/refugee camp.......

And pay for that....

Rather into their own homes.....

Or homeland......

As Trojan Horses .....

FBI director James Comey said during a House Committee on Homeland Security hearing on Wednesday that the federal government does not have the ability to conduct thorough background checks on all of the 10,000 Syrian refugees that the Obama administration says will be allowed to come to the U.S.

http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/21/fbi-d ... ies-video/

Several dozen suspected terrorist bombmakers, including some believed to have targeted American troops, may have mistakenly been allowed to move to the United States as war refugees, according to FBI agents investigating the remnants of roadside bombs recovered from Iraq and Afghanistan.

The discovery in 2009 of two al Qaeda-Iraq terrorists living as refugees in Bowling Green, Kentucky -- who later admitted in court that they'd attacked U.S. soldiers in Iraq -- prompted the bureau to assign hundreds of specialists to an around-the-clock effort aimed at checking its archive of 100,000 improvised explosive devices collected in the war zones, known as IEDs, for other suspected terrorists' fingerprints.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/al-qaeda- ... d=20931131

Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL) is out with a list of 12 vetted refugees who quickly joined jihad plots to attack the United States.

He’s spotlighting the refugees-turned-jihadis because he’s trying to prod GOP leaders into halting Congress’ normal practice of giving the president huge leeway to import foreign migrants and refugees into the United States.

This year, Obama is promising to bring in an extra 10,000 low-skill, potentially difficult-to-integrate Syrian migrants into the United States. Sessions and other critics fear he’ll use his many powers — and Congress’ autopilot funding for refugee programs — to bring in far more than 10,000 migrants.

In fact, from 2010 to 2015, Obama has allowed more than 200,000 low-skill migrants from Central American to enter the United States, and then disappear into the nation’s growing population of at least 11 million illegal immigrants.

Obama says the new refugees will be vetted. But top security officials say the Syrians can’t be vetted because the U.S doesn’t know what they were doing in Syria before they applied for refugee status.

Besides, many of the jihad attempts in the United States are launched by the children of Muslim refugees and migrants. That list include the two Chechen brothers who bombed the Boston Marathon, and Anwar al-Awlaki who was killed by a U.S missile strike when he fled to Yemen after the 9/11 atrocity. That means the Americans’ federal government is actively importing national-security problems that will eventually cost billions of dollars to manage, but cannot be eliminated.

Congressional leaders will set funding levels, and possible curbs, during the December appropriations debate.

“This list — which only covers 2015 and not the many jihadis from prior years — illustrates just how incapable our government is of vetting refugees or predicting post-entry radicalization,” said a Hill aide. “Yet the president wants a completely blank-check [in the appropriaitons bill] to fund not only all of these existing refugee programs from across the globe, but to add a permanent Syrian resettlement program to it — funded directly out of Americans’ paychecks and retirement accounts,” the aide said.

The new — but incomplete — list of refugees-turned-jihadis include


On January 29, 2015, in the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia, a federal warrant was unsealed for the arrest of Liban Haji Mohamed – a native of Somalia who sources indicate came to the United States as a refugee,..................

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On August 12, 2015, in the United States District Court for the District of Idaho, Fazliddin Kurbanov – a native of Uzbekistan who came to the United States as a refugee in 2009 – was found guilty on charges that he conspired and attempted to provide material support to a designated foreign terrorist organization and possessed an unregistered destructive device. U.S. Assistant Attorney General John Carlin stated that he “conspired to provide material support to the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan and procured bomb-making materials in the interest of perpetrating a terrorist attack on American soil.” According to press reports, Kurbanov began his life as a Muslim, but faced persecution after his family converted to Orthodox Christianity. After coming to the United States with his family as a refugee, Kurbanov is said to have converted back to Islam and radicalized. Superseding Indictment Original Indictment (Idaho) Original Indictment (Utah)

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... ee-budget/

[kmich]

I have worked in Syrian refugee camps as well as numerous refugee camps in Africa over the years. I actually know these people very well. I don't need the ongoing insipid hype and media hysteria to inform me about them. We have become a small minded and selfish nation of cowards.

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I have worked in Syrian refugee camps as well as numerous refugee camps in Africa over the years. I actually know these people very well. I don't need the ongoing insipid hype and media hysteria to inform me about them. We have become a small minded and selfish nation of cowards.

Americans own 310 million guns, own all kinds of military stuff .. no shortage of American experts in making all kinds of bombs and stuff.

Refugees are mostly woman and children escaping war

Said B4, Iran took in 2 million Afghans (Afghans poorer than a mouse), housed them, fed them, schooled them, healthcare, gave them jobs etc etc .. pretty much all Afghans in present Afghanistan who are literate or doctors, were educated in Iran as refugees.

All the debate Americans these days have about "Syrian refugees" a testament of how small heart Americans have become, seems not learned from "Evian Conference".

O, Lord, what happened to our beloved America ? ?

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I have worked in Syrian refugee camps as well as numerous refugee camps in Africa over the years. I actually know these people very well. I don't need the ongoing insipid hype and media hysteria to inform me about them. We have become a small minded and selfish nation of cowards.

How would your work in a refugee camp come to bear on screening for potential terrorists.

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I have worked in Syrian refugee camps as well as numerous refugee camps in Africa over the years. I actually know these people very well. I don't need the ongoing insipid hype and media hysteria to inform me about them. We have become a small minded and selfish nation of cowards.

Americans own 310 million guns, own all kinds of military stuff .. no shortage of American experts in making all kinds of bombs and stuff.

Refugees are mostly woman and children escaping war

Said B4, Iran took in 2 million Afghans (Afghans poorer than a mouse), housed them, fed them, schooled them, healthcare, gave them jobs etc etc .. pretty much all Afghans in present Afghanistan who are literate or doctors, were educated in Iran as refugees.

All the debate Americans these days have about "Syrian refugees" a testament of how small heart Americans have become, seems not learned from "Evian Conference".

O, Lord, what happened to our beloved America ? ?

Amen

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We have taken in as many refugee and immigre as much or more than any in history. Not an issue. Issue is if Saudi Arabia no taking refugee, why countries on other side of world should

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I have worked in Syrian refugee camps as well as numerous refugee camps in Africa over the years. I actually know these people very well. I don't need the ongoing insipid hype and media hysteria to inform me about them. We have become a small minded and selfish nation of cowards.

Oh yes, and;

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... edirect=no

[kmich]

I have worked in Syrian refugee camps as well as numerous refugee camps in Africa over the years. I actually know these people very well. I don't need the ongoing insipid hype and media hysteria to inform me about them. We have become a small minded and selfish nation of cowards.

Americans own 310 million guns, own all kinds of military stuff .. no shortage of American experts in making all kinds of bombs and stuff.

Refugees are mostly woman and children escaping war

Said B4, Iran took in 2 million Afghans (Afghans poorer than a mouse), housed them, fed them, schooled them, healthcare, gave them jobs etc etc .. pretty much all Afghans in present Afghanistan who are literate or doctors, were educated in Iran as refugees.

All the debate Americans these days have about "Syrian refugees" a testament of how small heart Americans have become, seems not learned from "Evian Conference".

O, Lord, what happened to our beloved America ? ?

Amen.

There are many good people in this country, HP, I work with them every day. Sadly though, we have become an increasingly isolated, provincial people who have little authentic community relations anymore, and minimal, if any, understanding of the people and the worlds outside our borders.

In spite of our massive wealth and power, our disconnection has made us suspicious, fearful, and resentful, and easy targets for potential tyrants and their media allies who feed our paranoia and hysteria while promising us renewed dignity, power, and security under their “strong leadership.” We then become witless lackeys to state power and would be despots who pacify us with ideological nonsense that permit us some transient experiences of personal dignity in the spiritual desert of a self-centered, decaying, materialist culture that doesn't give a sh--t.

Fear and hysteria is the age old enemy of liberty. Pray for America, HP.

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I have worked in Syrian refugee camps as well as numerous refugee camps in Africa over the years. I actually know these people very well. I don't need the ongoing insipid hype and media hysteria to inform me about them. We have become a small minded and selfish nation of cowards.

Americans own 310 million guns, own all kinds of military stuff .. no shortage of American experts in making all kinds of bombs and stuff.

Refugees are mostly woman and children escaping war

Said B4, Iran took in 2 million Afghans (Afghans poorer than a mouse), housed them, fed them, schooled them, healthcare, gave them jobs etc etc .. pretty much all Afghans in present Afghanistan who are literate or doctors, were educated in Iran as refugees.

All the debate Americans these days have about "Syrian refugees" a testament of how small heart Americans have become, seems not learned from "Evian Conference".

O, Lord, what happened to our beloved America ? ?

Amen

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We have taken in as many refugee and immigre as much or more than any in history. Not an issue. Issue is if Saudi Arabia no taking refugee, why countries on other side of world should

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Saudi Arabia arming, financing to kill these people, the refugee running away from Wahhabi and Salafi .. and you suggesting Saudi should take these refugee ? ? ? refugee running away from Wahhabi and Salafi

These beast did not come from Mars, neither did Nazi come from Mars

Somebody financing, backing them .. Qatar, Saudi, Turkey, Kuwait .. The Sheikhs and Amirs and Kings

The POS calling himself Prince "Bandar" got the ball rolling with this beast, (with CIA cooperation) he financed and armed the terrorists and things got going.

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Turkey won’t get away with ‘tomato bans’

“If somebody may have thought that after committing a treacherous war crime — the killing of our people — it will be possible to get away with restrictions on tomato trade or some other restrictions in the building and other industries, they are grossly mistaken,” Putin said. “We shall remind them many a time what they have done and they will more than once regret what they have done. We are perfectly aware of what action is to be taken.”

“Our armed forces, secret services and law enforcement agencies have been mobilized to give a rebuff to the terrorist threat,” he said.

Hmmmm

Could mean Russia just waiting to shoot down "a few" Turkish F-16 .. and see what NATO would do


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Partrick Buchanan
Time Has Passed the Turkish Alliance By

Turkey is no longer the secular nation-state of Kemal Ataturk, but increasingly hearkens to the Islamic Awakening. In Syria’s civil war, her behavior has not been what one might expect of an ally.

The Turks left the door open for jihadists to join ISIS. They are accused by two Turkish journalists, now facing life in prison, of shipping arms to ISIS. The Turks are charged with permitting ISIS to move oil from the Islamic State into and across Turkey. Russia, which joined the U.S. in bombing the tanker trucks that move the oil, charges Erdogan’s son with being involved in the black market trade with the caliphate.

Instead of battling ISIS, Erdogan is fighting Kurds in Turkey and Iraqi Kurdistan and is threatening to attack Syria’s Kurds if they cross to the west bank of the Euphrates. Ankara is also becoming dictatorial and repressive.

Erdogan has dismal relations with Egypt and Israel and appears hell-bent on bringing down Bashar Assad in Syria. Yet, Assad’s army remains the sole force standing between ISIS and Damascus.

Erdogan’s Turkey has its own separate national agenda. While understandable, what is of concern is that Erdogan could escalate his clash with Assad’s regime into a clash with Putin’s Russia, which is backing the Syrian regime—and drag us into his war.

And the longer this war goes on, the greater the likelihood of something like this happening. For the operative premise of NATO is that an attack against one is an attack against all. What do we do should Erdogan provoke a Russian attack on his aircraft, and then invoke Article V and call on all NATO nations to come to Turkey’s defense against Putin’s Russia in Assad’s Syria?

Turkey’s shoot-down of the Russian Sukhoi Su-24 makes this more than a hypothetical question. While the Russians have indicated they are not going to make this a casus belli, Putin charges that the U.S. was given advance notice of the flight plan of the Russian plane.

Were we? Did we authorize, know about, or suspect Erdogan was planning to shoot that Russian plane down? This is no small matter. And Americans have a right to know.

Then there is the geostrategic question. The world of 2015 is nothing like Truman’s world of 1952 or Reagan’s world of 1982. The adversary we confronted then, the Soviet Empire and Soviet Union, has not existed for a quarter century. Why then does NATO, created to defend Western Europe against that adversary, still exist?

Why are we still committed to fight Russia not only to defend Germany, but Estonia and Erdogan’s Turkey, and if the neocons get their way, to be committed in perpetuity to fight Russia for Georgia, South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Moldova, Ukraine, Crimea, Donetsk, and Luhansk?

If the history of the 20th century teaches anything, it is that war guarantees all too often lead to war. But in this war against “radical Islamic terrorism,” who is the real ally : Erdogan, who has been aiding and abetting Islamic jihadists in Syria, or Putin, who has been bombing them ?

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Azari sayin this since long long time

Told Ibrahim, our beloved Persia exiting, poor Kamal Pasha entering Islamism .. Atta Turk turning in grave


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[Heracleum Persicum]

I have worked in Syrian refugee camps as well as numerous refugee camps in Africa over the years. I actually know these people very well. I don't need the ongoing insipid hype and media hysteria to inform me about them. We have become a small minded and selfish nation of cowards.

Americans own 310 million guns, own all kinds of military stuff .. no shortage of American experts in making all kinds of bombs and stuff.

Refugees are mostly woman and children escaping war

Said B4, Iran took in 2 million Afghans (Afghans poorer than a mouse), housed them, fed them, schooled them, healthcare, gave them jobs etc etc .. pretty much all Afghans in present Afghanistan who are literate or doctors, were educated in Iran as refugees.

All the debate Americans these days have about "Syrian refugees" a testament of how small heart Americans have become, seems not learned from "Evian Conference".

O, Lord, what happened to our beloved America ? ?

Amen.

There are many good people in this country, HP, I work with them every day. Sadly though, we have become an increasingly isolated, provincial people who have little authentic community relations anymore, and minimal, if any, understanding of the people and the worlds outside our borders.

In spite of our massive wealth and power, our disconnection has made us suspicious, fearful, and resentful, and easy targets for potential tyrants and their media allies who feed our paranoia and hysteria while promising us renewed dignity, power, and security under their “strong leadership.” We then become witless lackeys to state power and would be despots who pacify us with ideological nonsense that permit us some transient experiences of personal dignity in the spiritual desert of a self-centered, decaying, materialist culture that doesn't give a sh--t.

Fear and hysteria is the age old enemy of liberty. Pray for America, HP.

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You said well, "kmich", you said well

Agree fully, "Fear and Hysteria" is the age old enemy of liberty.

American "elite" failed America .. all Lies, Deceptions, Hypocrisy of the elite has made Joe "insecure", Stolpering from one Lie/Deception to another, each time with disastrous consequences leading to more fear/insecurity manifesting in Hysteria

Don't know what to say .. nobody can help except Americans themselves.

Agree, best is to pray for our beloved America, you have my pray.


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[Simple Minded]

Don't know what to say .. nobody can help except Americans themselves.

HP,

As the old saying goes "If you don't know what to say, you should not say it out loud."

Getting off the internet for a couple days always seems to renew my positive outlook on life and the world.

Hmmm....

[Heracleum Persicum]

Don't know what to say .. nobody can help except Americans themselves.

HP,

As the old saying goes "If you don't know what to say, you should not say it out loud."

Getting off the internet for a couple days always seems to renew my positive outlook on life and the world.

Hmmm....

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True .. good advice


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[Mr. Perfect]

Saudi Arabia arming, financing to kill these people, the refugee running away from Wahhabi and Salafi .. and you suggesting Saudi should take these refugee ? ? ? refugee running away from Wahhabi and Salafi

These beast did not come from Mars, neither did Nazi come from Mars

Somebody financing, backing them .. Qatar, Saudi, Turkey, Kuwait .. The Sheikhs and Amirs and Kings

The POS calling himself Prince "Bandar" got the ball rolling with this beast, (with CIA cooperation) he financed and armed the terrorists and things got going.

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obama also arms and finances Isis. Even you said, many times. Same thing. Ksa closer to ancestral lands, same language, same culture.

Makes sense.

[Simple Minded]

Don't know what to say .. nobody can help except Americans themselves.

HP,

As the old saying goes "If you don't know what to say, you should not say it out loud."

Getting off the internet for a couple days always seems to renew my positive outlook on life and the world.

Hmmm....

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True .. good advice.

HP,

here you go:

"That said, Americans are nothing if not susceptible to wild miscalculations based on what they see passingly in the news. “Fear in the Air, Americans Look Over Their Shoulders,” proclaims the New York Times today, in a story that is essentially a written-through roundup of the 5,000 voluntary responses the paper received when it asked people if they are now, you know, fearful of mass shootings. The surprising answer: people who decided to write in to the New York Times about their fear of mass shootings are, in fact, very scared of mass shootings."

http://gawker.com/you-will-not-die-in-a ... 1746158444

evidently, foreigners are also susceptible to what they "see passingly in the news"

"Luke, use the filter." Obiwan Kenobee

[Heracleum Persicum]

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[Heracleum Persicum]

Don't know what to say .. nobody can help except Americans themselves.

HP,

As the old saying goes "If you don't know what to say, you should not say it out loud."

Getting off the internet for a couple days always seems to renew my positive outlook on life and the world.

Hmmm....

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True .. good advice.

HP,

here you go:

"That said, Americans are nothing if not susceptible to wild miscalculations based on what they see passingly in the news. “Fear in the Air, Americans Look Over Their Shoulders,” proclaims the New York Times today, in a story that is essentially a written-through roundup of the 5,000 voluntary responses the paper received when it asked people if they are now, you know, fearful of mass shootings. The surprising answer: people who decided to write in to the New York Times about their fear of mass shootings are, in fact, very scared of mass shootings."

http://gawker.com/you-will-not-die-in-a ... 1746158444

evidently, foreigners are also susceptible to what they "see passingly in the news"

"Luke, use the filter." Obiwan Kenobee

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True

Key here is the media .. they spin direction "elite" points them to.

That is why Joe must read "alternative media" .. meaning Iranian PressTV, Russian RT, maybe ATOL .. media that, either not in bed with western "elite" (like PressTV) or not always in bed with western "Elite" .. Guardian or Haaretz or Spiegel no good enough, BBC world same s CNN or CNBC.

In this day and age of instant info on fingertip, info from all sources, Joe should has no excuse not informing himself.

That's why I read all media, no matter left or right as long as reputable.

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