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Doc, seems you did not read that letter Barak Hussein sent to the Ayatollah asking for help

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Your friends in Pentagon lobbying for Iran :lol:


Pentagon Sought Sanctions Exemptions for Iranian Investment in Afghanistan

Twice in the last two years, the task force secured special permission from the U.S. government to seek help from Iran in setting up Afghanistan’s first pharmaceutical company and in developing four mines, according to government documents reviewed by The Wall Street Journal and interviews with people directly involved in the unusual outreach effort.
Poor Barak Hussein .. the Zionist squeezin his balls .. but, thanks G_d the most powerful lobby in America (Pentagon) leaning towards Ahmadinejat :lol:

Don't be shy, you want help from Iran, say so :lol:

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The Subject is ISIS and the ME not Afghanistan AZ.
Besides that Obama is a lame lame duck. He won't be around long enough to matter
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Doc wrote:.

Besides that Obama is a lame lame duck. He won't be around long enough to matter

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still a lot of time until "November 8, 2016" .. in politics, 2 yrs is a eternity

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Doc,

W. to CBS : “My regret is that…a violent group of people have risen up again …
This is ‘Al Qaeda plus’
they need to be defeated.
And I hope we do …
I hope the strategy works.”



Look, Doc, all those Arab Sheikhs and Amirs and Kings, they worth Zero, they only good to behead Bangladeshi Nani for being a which, they no balls

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Turks in bed with ISIS, they want northern Iraq Oil, Kirkuk

You want to beat ‘Al Qaeda plus’ ? ?

Talk to the mad mullahs :lol:

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Doc wrote:.

Besides that Obama is a lame lame duck. He won't be around long enough to matter

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still a lot of time until "November 8, 2016" .. in politics, 2 yrs is a eternity
Idon't think he is going to be there that long.
Doc,

W. to CBS : “My regret is that…a violent group of people have risen up again …
This is ‘Al Qaeda plus’
they need to be defeated.
And I hope we do …
I hope the strategy works.”



Look, Doc, all those Arab Sheikhs and Amirs and Kings, they worth Zero, they only good to behead Bangladeshi Nani for being a which, they no balls

and

Turks in bed with ISIS, they want northern Iraq Oil, Kirkuk

You want to beat ‘Al Qaeda plus’ ? ?

Talk to the mad mullahs :lol:

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And Iran wants the Iraq oil fields as well. Battle of the Sects !!!
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' Shuns Bullet-Proof Vest ' .. RFE


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ON THE FRONT LINES? He doesn't look like he could get out of the chair he is sitting in !!
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Doc wrote:
Heracleum Persicum wrote:.

' Shuns Bullet-Proof Vest ' .. RFE


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ON THE FRONT LINES? He doesn't look like he could get out of the chair he is sitting in !!
:lol:

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from the RFE link above :

" An Iraqi military official who asked not to be named, said, in describing the character of Major General Qassem Suleimani, that he is so courageous and fearless that even in times of danger on the frontlines he does not use a bulletproof vest,"

Doc, "bulletproof west" is for QUITTERS :lol:


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“ We are seeing a reversal of 35 years of Chinese history, ”

A broad range of problems are being blamed on ill-defined hostile foreign forces, starting with the Occupy Central protests in Hong Kong that are demanding more democratic rights for citizens there than Beijing is ready to concede. Tibetan unrest, the spread of “universal values” – as opposed to Chinese socialist values – and rising terrorist violence in the predominantly Muslim province of Xinjiang are among other challenges attributed to outside enemies.

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Kissinger

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If the West wants to be “honest,” it should recognize, that it made a “mistake,” he said of the course of action the US and the EU adopted in the Ukrainian conflict. Europe and the US did not understand the “significance of events” that started with the Ukraine-EU economic negotiations that initially brought about the demonstrations in Kiev last year. Those tensions should have served as a starting point to include Russia in the discussion, he believes.

“At the same time, I do not want to say that the Russian response was proportionate,” the Cold War veteran added, saying that Ukraine has always had a “special significance” for Russia and failure to understand that “was a fatal mistake.”

Calling the sanctions against Moscow “counterproductive,” the diplomat said that they set a dangerous precedent. Such actions, he believes, may result in other big states trying to take “protective measures” and strictly regulate their own markets in future.

When introducing some sanctions or publishing lists of people whose accounts were frozen one should wonder “what will happen next?” the former Secretary of State said rhetorically, because when something begins you cannot lose sight of where it is going to end.

Kissinger also said he would expect more action from Berlin on matter. As the most “important” country in Europe it should be more “proactive” rather than reactive, he said.

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ISIS in a Sunni-Shia perspective

By Farhang Jahanpour

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When ISIS suddenly emerged in Iraq it declared as one of its first targets the Shi'is and what it called the Safavids. The Safavid dynasty (1501-1736) was one of the most powerful Iranian dynasties after the Islamic conquest.

At its height, it ruled an area nearly twice the size of modern Iran, including large parts of modern Iraq, Kuwait, Bahrain, Eastern parts of Turkey and Syria, and large areas of Western Afghanistan and Baluchestan, the North Caucasus, as well as parts of Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan.

However, what irks the Sunni jihadists most is the fact that the Safavids made the Twelver School of Shi'ism Iran's official religion, something that has continued to the present time.

The interesting point is that the Safavid dynasty had its origin in a Sunni Sufi order, but at some point they converted to Shi'ism and then used their new zeal as a way of subduing most of Iran. Although there had been some minor Shi'a dynasties in the past, nearly all other major Iranian dynasties, as well as the bulk of the Iranian population, had been Sunnis. Indeed, when the Safavids came to power there were so few Shi'a scholars and clerics in Iran that they had to import some from Lebanon.

The Shi'a zeal of the Safavids was partly due to the fact that they were fighting against the Sunni Ottoman Empire, and therefore their adherence to Shi'ism was mainly political, in order to set them apart from the Ottomans who also carried the title of Sunni caliphs. The Safavids made their capital, Isfahan, into one of the most beautiful cities in Iran and the Middle East as a whole.

The Iranian Constitutional Revolution (1905-11) laid the foundations of modern Iran, with a constitutional monarchy. The two Pahlavi kings (1925-1979), while ruling as absolute monarchs, were militantly secular and tried to modernize Iran and turn it into a Western-style country.
The 1979 Revolution in Iran

However, not only did the 1979 Islamic revolution end that period of secular reforms, but it also put an end to a 2,600 year-old Iranian monarchy, and replaced it with a clerical regime based on the principle of Velayat-e Faqih, or the guardianship of Shi'a jurisprudent.

What makes the Islamic revolution unique is that for the first time in the history of Iran, and indeed in the history of Islam, it brought clerics to power.

Although Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini (1902-1989) called his revolution an Islamic revolution, in reality it was a Shi'a revolution and it derived its legitimacy from the Shi'a concept of the Imamate.

According to the Shi'is, the true succession to Prophet Muhammad belonged not to the Orthodox Caliphs, but to the Shi'a Imams, starting from the first Imam, Ali bin-Abu Talib and ending with the 12th Imam who allegedly went into hiding and who would appear in the End of Days to establish the reign of justice in the world.

After Imam Ali who was assassinated by a member of the fanatical breakaway group, the Khawarij, his oldest son Imam Hasan led a quietist life and decided not to challenge Mu'awiyya who had established the Umayyad Caliphate. However, after Hassan's death in 669, his younger brother Hussein, who is regarded as the Third Shi'i Imam, rebelled against Mu'awiyya's son Yazid who had succeeded him as caliph.

In a battle against Yazid's forces in Karbala, Imam Hussein was martyred on 10th Muharram AH 61 (10 October 680) with 72 of his relatives and companions; an event that is still marked with great sadness and self-flagellation by Shi'is throughout the world.

After Imam Hussein's martyrdom, the rest of the Shi'i Imams continued to lead quietist lives, mainly acting as spiritual leaders of their followers, rather than challenging the Sunni rulers. One of the most important concepts set forth by the sixth Shi'i Imam, Imam Ja'far alSadiq, who did most to elaborate and codify the Shi'i doctrine, was the separation of religion and politics.

He conceded that the Caliphs possessed temporal power, but he argued that the Imams were spiritual teachers of the society, and their inability to seize power should not be regarded as a sign of failure. He emphasized the importance of nass (designation) and 'ilm (knowledge) as the hallmarks of the Imams. This has been the interpretation of the role of the Imams - as opposed to the role of the Caliphs - by the vast majority of Shi'i scholars throughout the ages.

Indeed, the Shi'a theory of government laid the foundations of the idea of monarchical absolutism. (1) Shi'i scholars argued that absolute monarchy constituted a necessity and hence the absolute monarch was alone the true vicegerent of God. (2)

Many leading Shi'i scholars, such as Najm alDin Razi and Fakhr alDin Razi in the thirteenth century, described the kings as the "representatives of the Hidden Imam" and the "shadow of God on earth." After the establishment of the Safavid state in 1501, a number of Shi'i thinkers argued that the monarchs were the Na'ibs or viceregents of the Hidden Imam.

In his earliest book, Kashf al-Asrar (Uncovering of Secrets), Ayatollah Khomeini had supported monarchy. However, in his later works, not only did he reject monarchical rule, he even replaced it with the rule of the clerics as the representatives of the Hidden Imam. In view of the importance of the role of the Hidden Imam as the source of the legitimacy for the present clerical regime in Iran, it is important to say a few words about this complex issue.

Although after the death of almost every Imam the Shi'i community split into various factions and sects, the sect predominant in Iran is the Ithna 'Ashari or Twelver Shi'ism. The ninth Shi'i Imam, Muhammad alTaqi was only seven when his father 'Ali arRida died and he assumed the position of Imam; and he was only 23 when he died in 833 AD.

Similarly the Tenth Imam, 'Ali alHadi, was also seven when he assumed the Imamate. The Eleventh Imam, Hasan al'Askari, was 22 when he became Imam and he died in 873 AD at the age of 27.

Due to their young age, these Imams were very rarely seen by the public, and were in effective occultation and they communicated with their followers through agents or intermediaries. When the Eleventh Imam died at the age of 27, he apparently did not have any children. His brother Ja'far who firmly stated that Imam Hasan al'Askari had died childless has been vilified by generations of Shi'is as Kazzab, the Liar.

This break with the Imamate threw the Shi'i community into confusion, and the Shi'is broke up into various sects. Some were prepared to accept the deceased Imam's brother, Ja'far, as the Twelfth Imam, while others believed that the Eleventh Imam himself had gone into occultation.

However, the version accepted by the orthodox Twelver Shi'is is the one put forward by 'Uthman al'Amri who had acted as secretary and intermediary to both the Tenth and the Eleventh Imams, and who had also received the religious dues paid by the faithful on behalf of the Imams.

According to al'Amri, the Eleventh Imam had a young child called Muhammad who was in hiding due to his young age. When many years passed and still the Twelfth Imam did not reveal himself, the followers demanded to see him. At this point, al-'Amri said that the period of "Minor Occultation" had ended and the Hidden Imam had started his "Major Occultation" that would last till the End of Days when he would return to establish the era of justice and give triumph to his faithful followers.

Various supernatural and miraculous stories have surrounded the history of the birth of the Twelfth Imam. There are also many contradictions and unexplained facts regarding him. The mother of the Twelfth Imam has been variously called NarjisKhatun (a combination of a Persian and a Turkish word), or Sawsan, or Rayhana. NarjisKhatun is said to be a Byzantine slave girl or, according to other traditions, a black slave from Africa.

According to some accounts, NarjisKhatun was the daughter of an unspecified Byzantine Emperor who saw Imam Hasan al'Askari in a dream and fell in love with him They were married in another dream by the Prophet of Islam himself. She was told in yet another dream to take part in a battle between the Muslim and Byzantine forces dressed as a boy. She was told that she would be captured by Muslim forces and brought to the Eleventh Imam. She did as she was told in the dream, and soon after being united with the Imam she bore him a child in Samarra between 868 and 873 AD. Most accounts put his birth in 869.

At birth, the infant began to speak and made the profession of faith. At the death of his father, he was a young child, although according to other accounts he had miraculously grown to be a mature man. His only contact with his followers was through Uthman al'Amri who had been asked by the Hidden Imam to continue his position of intermediary which he had held under the two previous Imams. (3)
The Hidden Imam

The Hidden Imam is said to be hiding either in Samarra in Iraq, or in a well in Jamkaran, near Qom in Iran, a site that was often visited by the former President Mahmud Ahmadinezhad and members of his cabinet where they prayed for his return.

Both Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini and the present Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei base their legitimacy on being the rightful representatives of the Hidden Imam until he returns. This is why the views of former President Mahmud Ahmadinezhad and his close friend Esfandiar Rahim Masha'i about the imminent return of the Hidden Imam caused such anger and consternation among the leading clerics, because if the Hidden Imam were to return soon it would undercut the authority of the ruling clerics.

Khomeini expounded his views about the role of the clerics in an Islamic government in a series of lectures he gave in Najaf between 21 January and 8 February 1970 on the issue of Velayate Faqih (The Governance or Guardianship of Jurisprudent), later compiled and published under the title of Hukumati Islami (Islamic Government). (4)

Having boldly asserted in the very first sentence of the book that "The governance of the faqih is a subject that in itself elicits immediate assent and has little need of demonstration" (5) Khomeini goes on to say in the second paragraph: "From the very beginning, the historical movement of Islam has had to contend with the Jews, for it was they who first established antiIslamic propaganda and engaged in various stratagems, and as you can see, this activity continues down to the present."

By skipping an entire millennium, Khomeini goes on to add: "Later they were joined by other groups, who were in certain respects more satanic than they. These new groups began their imperialist penetration of the Muslim countries about three hundred years ago, and they regarded it as necessary to work for the extirpation of Islam in order to attain their ultimate goals."

After further accusations against Western imperialists and their local agents for distorting Islamic teachings and propagating the erroneous idea that Islam is purely concerned with spiritual and devotional matters, or insinuating that Islamic injunctions are defective, Khomeini states: "There is not a single topic in human life for which Islam has not provided instruction and established a norm." (6)

Khomeini goes into great detail showing that the Prophet did not merely promulgate laws, but was also an executor of the law and acted in the capacity of a ruler: "For example, he implemented the penal provisions of Islam: he cut off the hand of the thief and administered lashings and stonings. The successors to the Prophet must do the same." (7)

Khomeini believes that the fuqaha, or Muslim jurisprudents, are the only people qualified to rule. "It is an established principle," he asserts "that the faqih has authority over the ruler. If the ruler adheres to Islam, he must necessarily submit to the faqih, asking him about the laws and ordinances of Islam in order to implement them. This being the case, the true rulers are fuqaha themselves, and rule ought officially to be theirs." (8)

Khomeini quotes a large number of hadith (traditions or sayings attributed to the Prophet and the Imams), including one from the Hidden Imam himself, which allegedly support his argument that the fuqaha should be the rulers of Islamic societies. However, he makes it quite clear that the fuqaha have no right to make laws and have no authority except to implement the laws of the Koran. He says "Islamic government may therefore be defined as the rule of divine laws over men... The Sacred Legislator of Islam is the sole legislative power. No one has the right to legislate and no law may be executed except the law of Divine Legislator." (9)

Khomeini strongly criticizes the secular governments that are in power in some Islamic lands and he also attacks the imported laws that form the basis of national constitutions and the judicial systems of most Islamic countries. He is critical of the Iranian Parliament prior to the revolution, because according to him all the necessary laws are laid down in Islam and the duty of Islamic governments is merely to execute them. "It is for this reason," he continues, "that in an Islamic government, a simple planning body takes the place of the legislative assembly that is one of the three branches of the government." (10)

Thus started the birth of the Islamic Republic of Iran in February 1979, based on the concept of Velayat-e Faqih, which continues to the present time. (11) Ayatollah Khomeini declared that he wanted to export his revolution to the entire Muslim world, but being strongly Shi'a in nature and ideology the Iranian revolution was not very popular with the majority of Muslims who are Sunnis.

It should be added that Ayatollah Khomeini's views about Velayat-e 
Faqih were opposed by almost leading clerics or grand ayatollahs in Iran. In fact, the preeminent "source of emulation" in Iran prior to Khomeini's return, Ayatollah Seyyed Kazem Shari'atmadari openly opposed that concept, and despite his earlier support for Khomeini he was defrocked and put under house arrest.

The eminent grand ayatollahs in Najaf, Abu al-Qasim al-Kho'i and Sayyid Abul-Ma'ali Shahab ad-Din Muhammad Hussein Mar'ashi-Najafi who had a massive following not only in Iraq but also in Iran and among Shi'is from other countries, as well as the current Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani have rejected that interpretation of Velayat-e Faqih.

The glory of Iranian Islam was reflected in beautiful mystical literature written in Persian by great Sufi poets such as Attar, Rumi, Sa'di, Hafiz and many others who produced the most tolerant, the most profound and the most humane form of mysticism perhaps in any language.

However, the Islamic Republic represents an austere, dogmatic and narrow interpretation of Islam. It has been responsible for the highest number of per capita executions in the world, intolerance towards religious and ethnic minorities, forcing women to wear veil, stoning women to death on charges of adultery, lashings and other inhumane practices. Its dogmatic adherence to Shi'a Islam has not been helpful either to Iran or to the cause of Islam in the world.
The Iran-Iraq War

The devastating eight-year Iran-Iraq war waged by Saddam Hussein, which was massively supported by the Gulf Cooperation Council to the tune of tens of billions of dollars, killed and wounded nearly a million Iranians and Iraqis.

The war was partly motivated by the fear that the Iranian revolution and the ideas of Ayatollah Khomeini would inspire insurgency among Iraq's Shi'a majority population.

Saddam often stressed the hostility between the Sunnis and the Shi'is, and in fact he dubbed his invasion of Iran as "Saddam's Qadisiyyah", referring to the decisive battle fought in 636 AD between the invading Arab armies and Iranians during the first wave of Muslim expansion that put an end to the Sassanid Empire. The bitter memories of the Iran-Iraq war still linger in the minds of the people in both countries.

Since 2003, when the US-led coalition defeated and deposed Saddam Hussein and replaced him with a government led by the Shi'is who hold a majority of the Iraqi population, Saddam's supporters in Iraq and in the Persian Gulf littoral states have not forgotten or forgiven the loss of power by the Sunnis. Saudi Arabia has refused to recognize the new Iraqi governments or to send an ambassador to Baghdad.

The present ISIS uprising, with the assistance of tens of thousands of former Ba'thist officers and soldiers in Saddam's army that Paul Bremer, the American administrator of Iraq, fired is a most violent form of revenge against the Iraqi Shi'is and ultimately against Iran for what they regard as the loss of Sunni rule and Iran's growing influence in Iraq.
Today's ISIS - and the urgent need for Shia-Sunni dialogue

If Iranian and Arab leaders wish to save the region from a devastating sectarian war that will have no end, they should as a matter of urgency, convene a joint conference on Sunni-Shi'a dialog. After all, the two sects have a great deal in common, and there are relatively few points that divide them, and those points mainly came later on in the history of Islam and were of political nature.

If after centuries of fighting and bloodshed various Christian denominations could come together and form an ecumenical movement, there is no reason why the Sunnis and Shi'is who have so much in common cannot get together and work for the unity of all Muslims and hopefully for unity of all religions.


---- Farhang Jahanpour Farhang Jahanpour, a TFF Associate and Fellow of The Royal Asiatic Society, is a former professor and dean of the Faculty of Foreign Languages at the University of Isfahan and a former Senior Research Fellow at Harvard University. He is a tutor in the Department of Continuing Education and a member of Kellogg College, University of Oxford.


Notes:
1. Ann K. S. Lambton, "Quis Custodiet Custodes?", I, Studia Islamica, V (1956), p. 137.
2. ibid, p. 138
3. ibid, p. 138
4. For a translation of this work see: Imam Khomeini, Islam and Revolution: Writings and Declarations, translated and annotated by Hamid Algar (KPI Ltd, London, 1985), pp. 27166. 5- ibid, p. 27
6. ibid, p. 30
7. ibid, p. 37
8. ibid, p. 60
9. ibid, p. 56
10. ibid, p. 56
11. Velayat also means viceregency, and both meanings of the word are intended here; namely, the faq'ih should rule as the guardian and executor of the Shari'a and a viceregent of the Hidden Imam.


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Obama being "honoured" by the Chinese hosts in the official picture at the APEC meeting in Beijing...

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The Sino-American comedy of errors
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A common American meme in response to supposed Chinese expansionism in the Pacific projected an Indian-Japanese military alliance to contain Chinese ambitions under US sponsorship. Although a few Indian nationalists enthused over the idea, it was an empty gesture from the outside. If India got into a scrap with China over disputed borders, for example, just what would Japan do to help?

The newly-elected Indian government under Narendra Modi never took the idea seriously. On the contrary, after President Xi Jinping's recent state visit to India, Modi envisions Chinese investment in urgently needed infrastructure. Economics trumps petty concerns over borders in the mountainous wasteland that separates the world's two most populous nations.

There also is a strategic dimension to the growing sense of agreement between China and India. From India's vantage point, China's support for Pakistan's army is a concern, but it cuts both ways. Pakistan remains at perpetual risk of tipping over towards militant Islam, and the main guarantor of its stability is the army. China wants to strengthen the army as a bulwark against the Islamic radicals, who threaten China's Xinjiang province as much as they do India, and that probably serves India's interests as well as any Chinese policy might.

Chinese analysts are dumbfounded about the US response to what they view as a sideshow in the South China Sea and only tangentially concerned about India. They struggle to understand why a vastly improved relationship with Russia has emerged in response to US blundering in Ukraine.

As a matter of diplomatic principle, China does not like separatists because it has its own separatists to contend with, starting with the Muslim Uyghurs in Xinjiang province. Washington thought that the Maidan Revolution in Kiev last year would take Crimea out of Russian control, and Russia responded by annexing the peninsula containing its main warm-water naval base.

When the West imposed sanctions on Russia in retaliation, Moscow moved eastwards - an obvious response, and one that strongly impacts Western power. Not only has Russia opened its gas reserve to China, but it has agreed to supply China with its most sophisticated military technology, including the formidable S-400 air defense system. Russia was reluctant to do so in the past given Chinese efforts to reverse-engineer Russian systems, but the Ukraine crisis changed that.

Western analysts, to be sure, now observe that the new Russian-Chinese rapprochement might be a challenge for the West. The New York Times devoted a front-page feature to the opinions of the usual suspects among Soviet watchers in its November 9 edition.

This was obvious months ago, and should have been obvious before the fact: the West merely threw B'rer Putin into the briar patch to his east. Of all the miscalculations in Western policy since World War II, this was perhaps the stupidest. The Chinese are left to scratch their heads about their unanticipated good luck.

It is wrong to speak of a Russian-Chinese alliance, to be sure, but there is a developing Sino-Russian condominium in Asia. The energy and defense deals between Moscow and Beijing are important in their own right, but they take on all the more importance in the context of what might be the most ambitious economic project in history: the New Silk Road. The Pacific holds little promise for China. Japan and South Korea are mature economies, customers as well as competitors of China.

Expansion in the Pacific simply has nothing to offer China's economy. What China wants is to be impregnable within its own borders: it will spend generously to develop surface-to-ship missiles that can take out US aircraft carriers, hunter-killer submarines, and air defense systems.

China's prospects are to the west and south: energy and minerals in Central Asia, food in Southeast Asia, warm-water ports on the Indian Ocean, a vast market, and access to world markets beyond. The network of rail, pipelines and telecommunications that China is building through the former Soviet republics and through Russia itself will terminate at the Mediterranean and provide a springboard for Chinese trade with Europe.

The whole Eurasian landmass is likely to become a Chinese economic zone, especially now that Russia is more amenable to Chinese terms. That the Americans would have helped bring this to fruition by tilting at windmills in Ukraine baffles the Chinese, but they are enjoying the result.

The economic impact of this is hard to fathom, but it is likely to extend Chinese influence westwards on a scale that the West simply hasn't begun to imagine. It is not at all clear whether China has a clear idea of what the implications of the New Silk Road might be. The implosion of America's geopolitical position has placed risks and opportunities at Beijing's doorstep, to Beijing's great surprise.

A year ago, Chinese officials privately reassured visitors that their country would "follow the lead of the dominant superpower" in matters relating to Middle East security, including Iran's attempts to acquire nuclear weapons. For the past several decades, China has allowed the US to look out for the Persian Gulf while it increased its dependency on Persian Gulf oil. By 2020, China expects to import 70% of its oil, and most of that will come from the Gulf.

The Chinese view has changed radically during the past few months, in part due to the collapse of the Syrian and Iraqi states and the rise of Islamic State. It is hard to find a Chinese specialist who still thinks that the US can stand surely for Persian Gulf security. Opinion is divided between those who think that America is merely incompetent and those who think that America deliberately wants to destabilize the Persian Gulf.

Now that the US is approaching self-sufficiency in energy resources, some senior Chinese analysts believe it wants to push the region into chaos in order to hurt China. One prominent Chinese analyst pointed out that Islamic State is led by Sunni officers trained by the United States during the 2007-2008 "surge" as well as elements of Saddam Hussein's old army, and that this explains why IS has displayed such military and organizational competence.

The complaint is justified, to be sure: General David Petraeus helped train the 100,000-strong "Sunni Awakening" to create a balance of power against the Shi'ite majority regime that the US helped bring to power in 2006. How, the Chinese ask, could the Bush administration and Petraeus have been so stupid? To persuade the Chinese that they were indeed that stupid is a daunting task.

China's attitude towards Washington has turned towards open contempt. Writing of the mid-term elections, the official daily newspaper Global Times intoned: "The lame-duck president will be further crippled ? he has done an insipid job, offering nearly nothing to his supporters. US society has grown tired of his banality."

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http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/CHIN-02-101114.html
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The Sino-American comedy of errors
By Spengler

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A common American meme in response to supposed Chinese expansionism in the Pacific projected an Indian-Japanese military alliance to contain Chinese ambitions under US sponsorship. Although a few Indian nationalists enthused over the idea, it was an empty gesture from the outside. If India got into a scrap with China over disputed borders, for example, just what would Japan do to help?

The newly-elected Indian government under Narendra Modi never took the idea seriously. On the contrary, after President Xi Jinping's recent state visit to India, Modi envisions Chinese investment in urgently needed infrastructure. Economics trumps petty concerns over borders in the mountainous wasteland that separates the world's two most populous nations.

There also is a strategic dimension to the growing sense of agreement between China and India. From India's vantage point, China's support for Pakistan's army is a concern, but it cuts both ways. Pakistan remains at perpetual risk of tipping over towards militant Islam, and the main guarantor of its stability is the army. China wants to strengthen the army as a bulwark against the Islamic radicals, who threaten China's Xinjiang province as much as they do India, and that probably serves India's interests as well as any Chinese policy might.

Chinese analysts are dumbfounded about the US response to what they view as a sideshow in the South China Sea and only tangentially concerned about India. They struggle to understand why a vastly improved relationship with Russia has emerged in response to US blundering in Ukraine.

As a matter of diplomatic principle, China does not like separatists because it has its own separatists to contend with, starting with the Muslim Uyghurs in Xinjiang province. Washington thought that the Maidan Revolution in Kiev last year would take Crimea out of Russian control, and Russia responded by annexing the peninsula containing its main warm-water naval base.

When the West imposed sanctions on Russia in retaliation, Moscow moved eastwards - an obvious response, and one that strongly impacts Western power. Not only has Russia opened its gas reserve to China, but it has agreed to supply China with its most sophisticated military technology, including the formidable S-400 air defense system. Russia was reluctant to do so in the past given Chinese efforts to reverse-engineer Russian systems, but the Ukraine crisis changed that.

Western analysts, to be sure, now observe that the new Russian-Chinese rapprochement might be a challenge for the West. The New York Times devoted a front-page feature to the opinions of the usual suspects among Soviet watchers in its November 9 edition.

This was obvious months ago, and should have been obvious before the fact: the West merely threw B'rer Putin into the briar patch to his east. Of all the miscalculations in Western policy since World War II, this was perhaps the stupidest. The Chinese are left to scratch their heads about their unanticipated good luck.

It is wrong to speak of a Russian-Chinese alliance, to be sure, but there is a developing Sino-Russian condominium in Asia. The energy and defense deals between Moscow and Beijing are important in their own right, but they take on all the more importance in the context of what might be the most ambitious economic project in history: the New Silk Road. The Pacific holds little promise for China. Japan and South Korea are mature economies, customers as well as competitors of China.

Expansion in the Pacific simply has nothing to offer China's economy. What China wants is to be impregnable within its own borders: it will spend generously to develop surface-to-ship missiles that can take out US aircraft carriers, hunter-killer submarines, and air defense systems.

China's prospects are to the west and south: energy and minerals in Central Asia, food in Southeast Asia, warm-water ports on the Indian Ocean, a vast market, and access to world markets beyond. The network of rail, pipelines and telecommunications that China is building through the former Soviet republics and through Russia itself will terminate at the Mediterranean and provide a springboard for Chinese trade with Europe.

The whole Eurasian landmass is likely to become a Chinese economic zone, especially now that Russia is more amenable to Chinese terms. That the Americans would have helped bring this to fruition by tilting at windmills in Ukraine baffles the Chinese, but they are enjoying the result.

The economic impact of this is hard to fathom, but it is likely to extend Chinese influence westwards on a scale that the West simply hasn't begun to imagine. It is not at all clear whether China has a clear idea of what the implications of the New Silk Road might be. The implosion of America's geopolitical position has placed risks and opportunities at Beijing's doorstep, to Beijing's great surprise.

A year ago, Chinese officials privately reassured visitors that their country would "follow the lead of the dominant superpower" in matters relating to Middle East security, including Iran's attempts to acquire nuclear weapons. For the past several decades, China has allowed the US to look out for the Persian Gulf while it increased its dependency on Persian Gulf oil. By 2020, China expects to import 70% of its oil, and most of that will come from the Gulf.

The Chinese view has changed radically during the past few months, in part due to the collapse of the Syrian and Iraqi states and the rise of Islamic State. It is hard to find a Chinese specialist who still thinks that the US can stand surely for Persian Gulf security. Opinion is divided between those who think that America is merely incompetent and those who think that America deliberately wants to destabilize the Persian Gulf.

Now that the US is approaching self-sufficiency in energy resources, some senior Chinese analysts believe it wants to push the region into chaos in order to hurt China. One prominent Chinese analyst pointed out that Islamic State is led by Sunni officers trained by the United States during the 2007-2008 "surge" as well as elements of Saddam Hussein's old army, and that this explains why IS has displayed such military and organizational competence.

The complaint is justified, to be sure: General David Petraeus helped train the 100,000-strong "Sunni Awakening" to create a balance of power against the Shi'ite majority regime that the US helped bring to power in 2006. How, the Chinese ask, could the Bush administration and Petraeus have been so stupid? To persuade the Chinese that they were indeed that stupid is a daunting task.

China's attitude towards Washington has turned towards open contempt. Writing of the mid-term elections, the official daily newspaper Global Times intoned: "The lame-duck president will be further crippled ? he has done an insipid job, offering nearly nothing to his supporters. US society has grown tired of his banality."

(...)

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/CHIN-02-101114.html
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I agree on much of this except just yesterday I heard that Modi is going build new infrastructure to get Indian troops quickly to the border with China. This is because China has been building a railroad on its side of the border to do the same with Chinese troops. Mostly this and all of China's territorial disputes are an effort by the CCP that it is the champion of Chinese nationalism. Which could include China seizing territory by force.
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NYT : .. U.S. Sailors Assaulted by Turkish Nationalists in Istanbul



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“It will be interesting to see what the Turkish government’s reaction is to this incident and whether they condemn it,” said Elmira Bayrasli, a Turkey expert and co-founder of Foreign Policy Interrupted. “If they skirt around the issue I fear that more attacks like this will be repeated.”

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Iran responds to Obama letters, says won't accept 'decorative' nuke program


AP - A top security official in Iran said Wednesday the Islamic Republic has written back in response to letters sent by U.S. President Barack Obama, the first acknowledgement of such correspondence. However, it's not clear whether Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei wrote the letters himself.

The letter writing is part of a recent thaw in relations between the two countries since the 1979 Islamic Revolution that toppled the U.S.-backed shah and the storming of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran, where 52 Americans were held hostage for more than a year. It also comes as a U.S.-led coalition battles the Islamic State group (also known as ISIS and ISIL) in neighboring Iraq and as Iran and world powers negotiate a permanent deal regarding the country's contested nuclear program.

"This is not the first time that such a thing has taken place," said Ali Shamkhani, the secretary of Iran's Supreme National Security Council, during an appearance on state television Wednesday night. "It had previously taken place and necessary response was given to some of them."

Obama's recent letter to Khamenei described a shared interest between the U.S. and Iran in fighting Islamic State militants and stressed that any cooperation on that would be largely contingent on Iran agreeing to the nuclear deal, according to the Wall Street Journal. Shamkhani said the letter "mainly focused on nuclear issues."

We responded "that we can't accept at all to have a decorative, caricaturistic nuclear industry," Shamkhani said.

There was no immediate response in Washington to Shamkhani's comments.

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whether you it like it or not


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Iran's best hope for defeating the Islamic state is the ending of sanctions against it.
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US fighting to overthrow Assad government, not ISIL



US airstrikes against the ISIL terrorist group in Syria is a cover for overthrowing the elected government of Bashar al-Assad, a political activist and radio host in New York says.

Despite the US-led military campaign to defeat ISIL, the Assad government is the only party successfully fighting the terrorist group, Don DeBar told Press TV on Thursday.

US officials are pursuing the ouster of Assad to weaken Syria and create a “chaotic situation” similar to the one in Iraq and Libya after their former leaders were deposed, DeBar argued.

President Barack Obama has asked his national security team to review US strategy toward Syria after concluding that ISIL may not be defeated with Assad in power, officials say.

Over the past week, the White House has convened four meetings of Obama’s national security team, which according to a senior official, were "driven to a large degree how our Syria strategy fits into our ISIS (ISIL) strategy," CNN reported.


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US fighting to overthrow Assad government, not ISIL



US airstrikes against the ISIL terrorist group in Syria is a cover for overthrowing the elected government of Bashar al-Assad, a political activist and radio host in New York says.

Despite the US-led military campaign to defeat ISIL, the Assad government is the only party successfully fighting the terrorist group, Don DeBar told Press TV on Thursday.

US officials are pursuing the ouster of Assad to weaken Syria and create a “chaotic situation” similar to the one in Iraq and Libya after their former leaders were deposed, DeBar argued.

President Barack Obama has asked his national security team to review US strategy toward Syria after concluding that ISIL may not be defeated with Assad in power, officials say.

Over the past week, the White House has convened four meetings of Obama’s national security team, which according to a senior official, were "driven to a large degree how our Syria strategy fits into our ISIS (ISIL) strategy," CNN reported.

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Now why do you suppose that the official mouth piece of the Iranian government doesn't give the name of the radio talk show host / political activist? ;)



























































































































































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Endovelico wrote:Obama being "honoured" by the Chinese hosts in the official picture at the APEC meeting in Beijing...

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Will the message be properly received by the US? I doubt it...
Thank You VERY Much for your post, Endovelico.

Thanks for the photo..... Hadn't seen it. :lol: :roll:

Had heard that the Chinese were letting their press have some fun dissing Obama for his gum chewing :roll: and recent electoral loss.....

Speaking of which, your possibly/probably correct interpretation of the photo seems to indicate that both Chinese and a majority of Americans who voted in the last share a very low opinion of Obama and have little respect for him...... ;) :roll:

This is not good for US/us but that is what happens when an untested, arrogant, lying, incompetent is elected President :roll:

And Obama seems to have no respect for Americans who voted in the last election...... :roll:

And couldn't be bothered to observe even elementary school decorum with the Chinese with regard to the gum chewing :roll: , so it's sad but really he deserves the snub.....


Don't know if that is a proper reception but that's mine.... ;)

Speaking of Putin......

Have heard that he, the honored guest, may have overstepped his role a bit when he gallantly gave his cloak to the wife or mother of the Chinese leader.

By Western standards Putin was being being gallant but the Chinese didn't seem to approve and censored the incident.....

http://www.worldnewspaperonline.com/put ... sors-leap/

Still better behavior than Obama's........

Have heard that Putin is somewhat of a heart-throb for some Chinese ladies....... ;)

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welcome back Monster, welcome back .. everybody was missin you ... :lol: :lol:


well, Monster, this WikI you always quote from in reality a "western instrument" of spinning things Western way, mixing truth, half truth and blatant lies :) to fool Joe

Now, Putin comin with his version of same


Russia plans alternative version of 'Wikipedia'


There already is a Farsi Wiki

Reuters) - Russia plans to create its own "Wikipedia" to ensure its citizens have access to more "detailed and reliable" information about their country, the presidential library said on Friday.

Citing Western threats, the Kremlin has asserted more control over the Internet this year in what critics call moves to censor the web, and has introduced more pro-Kremlin content similar to closely controlled state media such as television.

Wikipedia, the online encyclopedia assembled and written by Internet users around the world, has pages dedicated to nearly every region or major city within Russia's 11 time zones, but the Kremlin library said this was not good enough.

"Analysis of this resource showed that it is not capable of providing information about the region and life of the country in a detailed or sufficient way," the state news agency RIA quoted a statement from the presidential library as saying.

"The creation of an alternative Wikipedia has begun." It was not known whether the project might affect Russians' access to the existing Wikipedia in any way.

President Vladimir Putin has branded the Internet a "CIA special project", and the Kremlin has said it must protect its online realm from threats from the West, as ties between the Cold War-era foes have hit a new bottom over the Ukraine crisis.

Since August, bloggers in Russia with more than 3,000 followers must register with the Moscow's mass media regulatory agency and conform to rules applied to larger media outlets.

And since February, state authorities have been able to block websites without a court order. The webpages of two leading Kremlin critics were among the first to be barred.

The presidential library statement said that 50,000 books and archive documents from 27 libraries around Russia had already been handed over for the process of establishing the "alternative Wikipedia".
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Iran Bethel School


My mom graduate from that school


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