The conflict in Ferguson, MO

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FT Video : Cardiff Garcia and Gary Silverman discuss the clashes between protesters and police in the context of US race relations and the militarisation of local police forces.



Authorities said the officer shot the unarmed teenager during a scuffle.
But witnesses, including a friend who was with Mr Brown at the time, say the white officer opened fire after the pair ignored his order to move out of the middle of the street – and that he shot Mr Brown as he held his hands up, shouting “don’t shoot”.


Interesting FT article .. must read


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[Heracleum Persicum]

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Folks, that FT article, titled, "Death stokes fire of US racial tensions" more and more revealing, now in America, Blacks becoming America's Gazans

What a disaster would be if America learning from Zionist .. American police "militarized", military "tack ticks" used by Zionist against Gazan woman and children ? ? using same "tack ticks" against the blacks in America ? ? ?

Obama an Orio .. he was not elected but selected by you guys .. no balls

Things will escalate, latino, blacks, whites and everything between .. everybody armed to teeth .. Syria, here we come

Lord, have merci

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[kmich]

Rand Paul: We Must Demilitarize the Police - Sen. Rand Paul



Anyone who thinks race does not skew the application of criminal justice in this country is just not paying close enough attention, Sen. Rand Paul writes for TIME, amid violence in Ferguson, Mo. over the police shooting death of Michael Brown

The shooting of 18-year-old Michael Brown is an awful tragedy that continues to send shockwaves through the community of Ferguson, Missouri and across the nation.


If I had been told to get out of the street as a teenager, there would have been a distinct possibility that I might have smarted off. But, I wouldn’t have expected to be shot.
The outrage in Ferguson is understandable—though there is never an excuse for rioting or looting. There is a legitimate role for the police to keep the peace, but there should be a difference between a police response and a military response.
The images and scenes we continue to see in Ferguson resemble war more than traditional police action.

Glenn Reynolds, in Popular Mechanics, recognized the increasing militarization of the police five years ago. In 2009 he wrote:

Soldiers and police are supposed to be different. … Police look inward. They’re supposed to protect their fellow citizens from criminals, and to maintain order with a minimum of force.
It’s the difference between Audie Murphy and Andy Griffith. But nowadays, police are looking, and acting, more like soldiers than cops, with bad consequences. And those who suffer the consequences are usually innocent civilians

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The Cato Institute’s Walter Olson observed this week how the rising militarization of law enforcement is currently playing out in Ferguson:

Why armored vehicles in a Midwestern inner suburb? Why would cops wear camouflage gear against a terrain patterned by convenience stores and beauty parlors? Why are the authorities in Ferguson, Mo. so given to quasi-martial crowd control methods (such as bans on walking on the street) and, per the reporting of Riverfront Times, the firing of tear gas at people in their own yards? (“‘This my property!’ he shouted, prompting police to fire a tear gas canister directly at his face.”) Why would someone identifying himself as an 82nd Airborne Army veteran, observing the Ferguson police scene, comment that “We rolled lighter than that in an actual warzone”?

Olson added, “the dominant visual aspect of the story, however, has been the sight of overpowering police forces confronting unarmed protesters who are seen waving signs or just their hands.”

How did this happen?

Most police officers are good cops and good people. It is an unquestionably difficult job, especially in the current circumstances

There is a systemic problem with today’s law enforcement.

Not surprisingly, big government has been at the heart of the problem. Washington has incentivized the militarization of local police precincts by using federal dollars to help municipal governments build what are essentially small armies—where police departments compete to acquire military gear that goes far beyond what most of Americans think of as law enforcement.

This is usually done in the name of fighting the war on drugs or terrorism. The Heritage Foundation’s Evan Bernick wrote in 2013 that, “the Department of Homeland Security has handed out anti-terrorism grants to cities and towns across the country, enabling them to buy armored vehicles, guns, armor, aircraft, and other equipment.”

Bernick continued, “federal agencies of all stripes, as well as local police departments in towns with populations less than 14,000, come equipped with SWAT teams and heavy artillery.”

Bernick noted the cartoonish imbalance between the equipment some police departments possess and the constituents they serve, “today, Bossier Parish, Louisiana, has a .50 caliber gun mounted on an armored vehicle. The Pentagon gives away millions of pieces of military equipment to police departments across the country—tanks included.”

When you couple this militarization of law enforcement with an erosion of civil liberties and due process that allows the police to become judge and jury—national security letters, no-knock searches, broad general warrants, pre-conviction forfeiture—we begin to have a very serious problem on our hands.

Given these developments, it is almost impossible for many Americans not to feel like their government is targeting them. Given the racial disparities in our criminal justice system, it is impossible for African-Americans not to feel like their government is particularly targeting them.

This is part of the anguish we are seeing in the tragic events outside of St. Louis, Missouri. It is what the citizens of Ferguson feel when there is an unfortunate and heartbreaking shooting like the incident with Michael Brown.

Anyone who thinks that race does not still, even if inadvertently, skew the application of criminal justice in this country is just not paying close enough attention. Our prisons are full of black and brown men and women who are serving inappropriately long and harsh sentences for non-violent mistakes in their youth.

The militarization of our law enforcement is due to an unprecedented expansion of government power in this realm. It is one thing for federal officials to work in conjunction with local authorities to reduce or solve crime. It is quite another for them to subsidize it.

Americans must never sacrifice their liberty for an illusive and dangerous, or false, security. This has been a cause I have championed for years, and one that is at a near-crisis point in our country.

Let us continue to pray for Michael Brown’s family, the people of Ferguson, police, and citizens alike.

Paul is the junior U.S. Senator for Kentucky.

[YMix]

Not surprisingly, big government has been at the heart of the problem.

Not surprisingly, the military-industrial complex has been at the heart of the problem. I'm pretty sure that the arms manufacturers came up with the idea that every police force in the country is a potential customer for military-grade hardware and that they lobbied the government to "open this market".

[monster_gardener]

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Folks, that FT article, titled, "Death stokes fire of US racial tensions" more and more revealing, now in America, Blacks becoming America's Gazans

What a disaster would be if America learning from Zionist .. American police "militarized", military "tack ticks" used by Zionist against Gazan woman and children ? ? using same "tack ticks" against the blacks in America ? ? ?

Obama an Orio .. he was not elected but selected by you guys .. no balls

Things will escalate, latino, blacks, whites and everything between .. everybody armed to teeth .. Syria, here we come

Lord, have merci

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Thank You Very Much for your post, Azari.

Obama an Orio ..

Nope....

An Oreo is a delicious cookie quite good when one is hungry.....

obama the LIAR and Incompetent is good for pretty much NOTHING.....

When obama took time out from having his fellow golfers on Martha's Vineyard frisked, going on Television to call for the Ferguson Police Department to be transparent about this incident, obama's freaking hyprocrisy just made me laugh and smart off at him..... EVEN THOUGH like a broken clock, he was Right this time...

he was not elected but selected by you guys

I neither elected nor selected him as either POTUS or GOLFTUS.....

no balls

Not so much.....

Lots of balls .......... GOLF balls that is...

Also some basketballs .....

What! That type of balls

OK.... Correct to the extent that obama the Son of a Bitch Eating LIAR won't have any of that type of balls if Michelle catches him doing the Big Dog Bill Clinton with some B!tch....

[monster_gardener]

Rand Paul: We Must Demilitarize the Police - Sen. Rand Paul



Anyone who thinks race does not skew the application of criminal justice in this country is just not paying close enough attention, Sen. Rand Paul writes for TIME, amid violence in Ferguson, Mo. over the police shooting death of Michael Brown

The shooting of 18-year-old Michael Brown is an awful tragedy that continues to send shockwaves through the community of Ferguson, Missouri and across the nation.


If I had been told to get out of the street as a teenager, there would have been a distinct possibility that I might have smarted off. But, I wouldn’t have expected to be shot.
The outrage in Ferguson is understandable—though there is never an excuse for rioting or looting. There is a legitimate role for the police to keep the peace, but there should be a difference between a police response and a military response.
The images and scenes we continue to see in Ferguson resemble war more than traditional police action.

Glenn Reynolds, in Popular Mechanics, recognized the increasing militarization of the police five years ago. In 2009 he wrote:

Soldiers and police are supposed to be different. … Police look inward. They’re supposed to protect their fellow citizens from criminals, and to maintain order with a minimum of force.
It’s the difference between Audie Murphy and Andy Griffith. But nowadays, police are looking, and acting, more like soldiers than cops, with bad consequences. And those who suffer the consequences are usually innocent civilians

.

The Cato Institute’s Walter Olson observed this week how the rising militarization of law enforcement is currently playing out in Ferguson:

Why armored vehicles in a Midwestern inner suburb? Why would cops wear camouflage gear against a terrain patterned by convenience stores and beauty parlors? Why are the authorities in Ferguson, Mo. so given to quasi-martial crowd control methods (such as bans on walking on the street) and, per the reporting of Riverfront Times, the firing of tear gas at people in their own yards? (“‘This my property!’ he shouted, prompting police to fire a tear gas canister directly at his face.”) Why would someone identifying himself as an 82nd Airborne Army veteran, observing the Ferguson police scene, comment that “We rolled lighter than that in an actual warzone”?

Olson added, “the dominant visual aspect of the story, however, has been the sight of overpowering police forces confronting unarmed protesters who are seen waving signs or just their hands.”

How did this happen?

Most police officers are good cops and good people. It is an unquestionably difficult job, especially in the current circumstances

There is a systemic problem with today’s law enforcement.

Not surprisingly, big government has been at the heart of the problem. Washington has incentivized the militarization of local police precincts by using federal dollars to help municipal governments build what are essentially small armies—where police departments compete to acquire military gear that goes far beyond what most of Americans think of as law enforcement.

This is usually done in the name of fighting the war on drugs or terrorism. The Heritage Foundation’s Evan Bernick wrote in 2013 that, “the Department of Homeland Security has handed out anti-terrorism grants to cities and towns across the country, enabling them to buy armored vehicles, guns, armor, aircraft, and other equipment.”

Bernick continued, “federal agencies of all stripes, as well as local police departments in towns with populations less than 14,000, come equipped with SWAT teams and heavy artillery.”

Bernick noted the cartoonish imbalance between the equipment some police departments possess and the constituents they serve, “today, Bossier Parish, Louisiana, has a .50 caliber gun mounted on an armored vehicle. The Pentagon gives away millions of pieces of military equipment to police departments across the country—tanks included.”

When you couple this militarization of law enforcement with an erosion of civil liberties and due process that allows the police to become judge and jury—national security letters, no-knock searches, broad general warrants, pre-conviction forfeiture—we begin to have a very serious problem on our hands.

Given these developments, it is almost impossible for many Americans not to feel like their government is targeting them. Given the racial disparities in our criminal justice system, it is impossible for African-Americans not to feel like their government is particularly targeting them.

This is part of the anguish we are seeing in the tragic events outside of St. Louis, Missouri. It is what the citizens of Ferguson feel when there is an unfortunate and heartbreaking shooting like the incident with Michael Brown.

Anyone who thinks that race does not still, even if inadvertently, skew the application of criminal justice in this country is just not paying close enough attention. Our prisons are full of black and brown men and women who are serving inappropriately long and harsh sentences for non-violent mistakes in their youth.

The militarization of our law enforcement is due to an unprecedented expansion of government power in this realm. It is one thing for federal officials to work in conjunction with local authorities to reduce or solve crime. It is quite another for them to subsidize it.

Americans must never sacrifice their liberty for an illusive and dangerous, or false, security. This has been a cause I have championed for years, and one that is at a near-crisis point in our country.

Let us continue to pray for Michael Brown’s family, the people of Ferguson, police, and citizens alike.

Paul is the junior U.S. Senator for Kentucky.

Thank You VERY MUCH for your post, kmich.

I like Rand Paul a lot.....

I think he is correct about the over militarization of the police force being bad & VERY dangerous...

Something needs to be done about this.....

[Heracleum Persicum]

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Monster, Doc, Ahmadinejat asking :


Ferguson Is Mostly Black.
Why Is Its Government So White ?

Ferguson, Missouri, is 67 percent black, but only one of six council members is black and the mayor is white.
So is the chief of police


Ferguson, MO, is 67 percent black,
its police force is 94 percent white


Monster (and Doc), Ahmadinejat (the new Hitler according to Zionist) asking what the f*ck goin on in Ferguson ? ? this your democracy ? ?

67% black population AND city council all White, so the police chief .. mother of all election rigging

.. reminds me Jeb Bush in Florida throwing all those black votes in toilet

come on, what happened Monster, thought you guys invented democracy .. or .. maybe .. Helenic style democracy .. ONLY for WHITE citizens .. f*ck the black and brown and Chinese and Vietnamese and Filipino and the Mexicano

Blacks had it better when they were slaves .. at that time, the masters took care of their "herd", fed them, housed them, medical etc , they were ASSET, same as "live stock" .. now, the blacks are FREE (to starve and die)

and

you guys teaching our beloved Persia "Human Rights"

Come on, light years to get there


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My-oh-my, folks, Nearly half of Americans don’t believe in justice – poll


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[kmich]

Not surprisingly, big government has been at the heart of the problem.

Not surprisingly, the military-industrial complex has been at the heart of the problem. I'm pretty sure that the arms manufacturers came up with the idea that every police force in the country is a potential customer for military-grade hardware and that they lobbied the government to "open this market".

True. "Big government is the problem" has been the bête noire of the right since the Reagan era but has little explanatory value. This use of this phrase was just Rand Paul's customary nod to his political base. They were his words, not mine.

[Nonc Hilaire]

Note Paul does not even suggest a possible course of action. This is all about the Federal DHS circumventing the state controlled National Guard and buying influence directly at the local level.

[monster_gardener]

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Monster, Doc, Ahmadinejat asking :


Ferguson Is Mostly Black.
Why Is Its Government So White ?

Ferguson, Missouri, is 67 percent black, but only one of six council members is black and the mayor is white.
So is the chief of police


Ferguson, MO, is 67 percent black,
its police force is 94 percent white


Monster (and Doc), Ahmadinejat (the new Hitler according to Zionist) asking what the f*ck goin on in Ferguson ? ? this your democracy ? ?

67% black population AND city council all White, so the police chief .. mother of all election rigging

.. reminds me Jeb Bush in Florida throwing all those black votes in toilet

come on, what happened Monster, thought you guys invented democracy .. or .. maybe .. Helenic style democracy .. ONLY for WHITE citizens .. f*ck the black and brown and Chinese and Vietnamese and Filipino and the Mexicano

Blacks had it better when they were slaves .. at that time, the masters took care of their "herd", fed them, housed them, medical etc , they were ASSET, same as "live stock" .. now, the blacks are FREE (to starve and die)

and

you guys teaching our beloved Persia "Human Rights"

Come on, light years to get there


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Thank You Very Much for your post, Azari.

Ahmadinejat asking :

Now that he is no longer in power, I really don't care that much about what Ahmadinejat the Holocaust Denier & possible Hostage Taker & more says other than to know what BS Pomegranates like him think and lampoon him....

asking what the f*ck goin on in Ferguson ? ?

Possibly/possibly even probably an over militarized bad cop. If this is the case, he needs to be removed from the police force and prosecuted.

And the militarization of the police force needs to be rolled back except Perhaps in Places where gangs are violent and Powerful like Possibly Darth obama's home town of Chicago to which he will likely not be returning, Places where Islamist terrorists camp, and on borders where invaders like the violent Zetas & MaraSalvatrucha Pretty
much cross at will.....

Nevertheless, sounds like I need to agitate for Dashcams and even Lapel Cams for police for both our and their protection...

A dashcam (dashboard camera) refers to a portable and specialised onboard camera that attaches to the vehicle's interior windscreen by either a supplied suction cup mount or a tape mount. These dashcams basically continuously record the road ahead whilst the vehicle is in motion or driven on the roadway.[1] Dashcams are optionally fitted by the driver or vehicle owner to mainly obtain video evidence in an event of an accident to support insurance claims or to protect themselves from insurance scams such as crash for cash. Various types of dashcam is available on the market from basic video cameras which captures only video to sophisticated ones which also records various parameters such as date/time, speed, G-forces and location provided by an inbuilt GPS.

Their use are widespread in Russia[2] as a form of sousveillance, additional evidence in court, and as a guard against police corruption and insurance fraud.[3] They have been called "ubiquitous" and "an on-line obsession", and are so prevalent that dashcam footage was the most common footage of the 2013 Chelyabinsk meteor,[4] which was documented from a dozen angles. Thousands of videos showing automobile crashes, close calls, and attempts at insurance fraud have been uploaded to video sharing websites like YouTube,[2] an oft-gruesome genre which has generated its own Russian lexicon[5] such as:

слабоумие и отвага (slaboumiye i otvaga): "Courage and dementia"
железобетонное очко (zhelezobetonnoye ochko): "Anus of Reinforced Concrete" (i.e. "one whose anus is made of reinforced concrete", an honorific for an especially skilled driver reacting adequately to an emergency situation).

Dashcams are forbidden by law in Austria,[6] Switzerland[7] and Spain. In Australia recording on public roadways is allowed as long as the recording does not infringe upon one's personal privacy in a way that may be deemed inappropriate in a court of law.[1][8]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dashcams


Tu5HsujQhoo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu5HsujQhoo

There are bad cops in the US

Because except by the Grace of G_D, Police too are Depraved Sinful Egotistical Chaos Monkey humans like the Population they Protect and the Perps they Pursue for Prosecution...

And IMO this may be even more true in Iran: evil dogs who walk on 2 legs called Basij , EFFING Fashion Police and Revolutionary Guards: and probably worse.....

Ferguson, Missouri, is 67 percent black, but only one of six council members is black and the mayor is white.
So is the chief of police

I have lived in a town which was almost entirely White BUT the Mayor was Black and VERY popular...

I have lived in another town where the town was majority white BUT with a Black Police Chief......

And I have been pulled over DWW, OARFT: Driving While White Or A Reasonable Facsimile Thereof by a Black Policeman.....

thought you guys invented democracy

Hello!

Not democracy.....

A Democratic Constitutional Republic with a Fairly Good Bill of Rights which must be defended constantly from Anarchists, Bureaucrats, Communists, Crony Capitalists, Globalists, Iranians*** , Islamists, Modern Liberals & Progressives, Nazis & Fascists, Reconquista Types, Socialists, Statists and other enemies of freedom who lust after power...

Chinese andVietnamese and Filipino

I thought you wanted the Chinese to f*ck the Vietnamese and Filipino because the Chinese are allegedly their Big Brother and like incest, it is All In The Family
As long As Azari Approves of it because it might work toward a revived Persian Hegomonic Empire

Blacks had it better when they were slaves .. at that time, the masters took care of their "herd", fed them, housed them, medical etc , they were ASSET, same as "live stock" .. now, the blacks are FREE (to starve and die)

My....My.... A slavery apologist...... I am SO Surprised.... NOT!

Makes me think that is your plan for Mosche.....

the masters took care of their "herd", fed them, housed them, medical etc , they were ASSET, same as "live stock"

Not always true.....

Just like the Romans.... Some masters were good..... Treated their slaves like their children & friends and allowed them to buy their freedom if they wanted it OR even freed them for free before or after deathbed*... BUT others were Monsters IMHO Even Worse than I am who Mistreated, Maimed and even Murdered their slaves.
In Most Cases, better to be poor but free....

you guys teaching our beloved Persia "Human Rights"

Perhaps so..... Fashion Police a VERY bad idea.....

Also Bad Idea trying to get a nuke or acting like it**.... Secret nuke processing plants etc.....

Or trying to open the Chaos Gate also known as the Well in Qom so that the Mad Madhi will rise to lead the SHIiTes to Victory by causing cascading chaos with careful chess moves on the world scene or just nukes on Israel and US once you get a couple

You might get away with that with US with Darth obama in charge but Israel is likely to so salt the soil of Persia with radioactivity, that nothing human may grow there for a long time.... Maybe same for much of Northern Hemisphere.... Fallout respects only Shielding, Time & Winds.....

light years to get there

Not to Persia.....

But to places where the human race ultimately should be, Yes....


BTW check out this Ferguson

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Ferg ... convict%29


*The father or mother may have been good but the sons &/or daughters desperate for money and evil.....

**Unless part of Space Program with announced nuke Based Orion Rockets to defend against Meteors and Set up Sustainable Space Colonies

*** Who want the US to do stupid or suicidal things

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Monster, read and read again, could not figure out how you explaining in a pretty much all Black city, all city hall and police is white .. I thought city hall is elected .. how could have all the blacks voted for all white city hall ? ?

Ahmadinejat wants to know the trick, for future use @ home

and, respectfully, Monster, now that you call Persian names, what is your Ashkenazim view about that "rat" .. in Absence of MP maybe you should voice support for her

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[YMix]

True. "Big government is the problem" has been the bête noire of the right since the Reagan era but has little explanatory value. This use of this phrase was just Rand Paul's customary nod to his political base. They were his words, not mine.

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that those were your words. I'll edit my post.

[Doc]

Not surprisingly, big government has been at the heart of the problem.

Not surprisingly, the military-industrial complex has been at the heart of the problem. I'm pretty sure that the arms manufacturers came up with the idea that every police force in the country is a potential customer for military-grade hardware and that they lobbied the government to "open this market".

This is all military surplus. There is no profit.

[Nonc Hilaire]

Not surprisingly, big government has been at the heart of the problem.

Not surprisingly, the military-industrial complex has been at the heart of the problem. I'm pretty sure that the arms manufacturers came up with the idea that every police force in the country is a potential customer for military-grade hardware and that they lobbied the government to "open this market".

This is all military surplus. There is no profit.

The HSA grant budget for state and local agencies is $19 billion for 2014. New equipment; not surplus.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... apons.html

[kmich]

True. "Big government is the problem" has been the bête noire of the right since the Reagan era but has little explanatory value. This use of this phrase was just Rand Paul's customary nod to his political base. They were his words, not mine.

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that those were your words. I'll edit my post.

Don’t bother Ymix, all is cool.

My nation’s culture and attitudes have become increasingly militarized to the point that the potentially troublesome influence in "every city, every statehouse, every office of the federal government" that Eisenhower warned against in 1961 has extended far beyond Ike’s warnings to pervade the sensibilities of our individuals and communities.

Power and capacity for violence dominate our response to challenges. It’s the prancing tough guy with the small pecker syndrome. The Missouri Barney Fifes jumping on their armored vehicles wearing camouflage, armed and ready with automatic weapons, being a recent, unfortunate example.

We have little power over the conditions that affect us, but many want to believe that with a gun and a testosterone fueled attitude we magically can.

ZLsg0EvZozI

[Doc]

Not surprisingly, big government has been at the heart of the problem.

Not surprisingly, the military-industrial complex has been at the heart of the problem. I'm pretty sure that the arms manufacturers came up with the idea that every police force in the country is a potential customer for military-grade hardware and that they lobbied the government to "open this market".

This is all military surplus. There is no profit.

The HSA grant budget for state and local agencies is $19 billion for 2014. New equipment; not surplus.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... apons.html

Interesting I didn't know that Traditionally it was all military surplus. But you know Obama is worry about right wing terrorists and all Surely the editors of the Daily beast haven't missed the Irony of posting to articles that basically contradict each other in their outrage.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... o-see.html

[Nonc Hilaire]

Not surprisingly, big government has been at the heart of the problem.

Not surprisingly, the military-industrial complex has been at the heart of the problem. I'm pretty sure that the arms manufacturers came up with the idea that every police force in the country is a potential customer for military-grade hardware and that they lobbied the government to "open this market".

This is all military surplus. There is no profit.

The HSA grant budget for state and local agencies is $19 billion for 2014. New equipment; not surplus.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... apons.html

Interesting I didn't know that Traditionally it was all military surplus. But you know Obama is worry about right wing terrorists and all Surely the editors of the Daily beast haven't missed the Irony of posting to articles that basically contradict each other in their outrage.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... o-see.html

Newsweek's "Daily Beast" site is certainly sensationalist and one needs to read it carefully, but it is MSM and not a fringe publication. I looked up their source for this particular figure and it seems legit, but the actual data is behind a pretty high paywall.

[Doc]

Not surprisingly, big government has been at the heart of the problem.

Not surprisingly, the military-industrial complex has been at the heart of the problem. I'm pretty sure that the arms manufacturers came up with the idea that every police force in the country is a potential customer for military-grade hardware and that they lobbied the government to "open this market".

This is all military surplus. There is no profit.

The HSA grant budget for state and local agencies is $19 billion for 2014. New equipment; not surplus.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... apons.html

Interesting I didn't know that Traditionally it was all military surplus. But you know Obama is worry about right wing terrorists and all Surely the editors of the Daily beast haven't missed the Irony of posting to articles that basically contradict each other in their outrage.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... o-see.html

Newsweek's "Daily Beast" site is certainly sensationalist and one needs to read it carefully, but it is MSM and not a fringe publication. I looked up their source for this particular figure and it seems legit, but the actual data is behind a pretty high paywall.

AS I thought I posted earlier That police forces have military style weapons in any case is unacceptable. Originally I said I have no reason to doubt the article. I have since found out today that there have been 100's of MRPs(?) given to cities as small as 25,000 people since the Boston Marathon Bombings by the DHS. Seems like no one on the Left or right is at all happy about this. At least I have not seen anyone that is.

[YMix]

The U.S. has provided 610 mine-resistant armored trucks, known as MRAPs, across the country, nearly all since August 2013, including at least nine in Los Angeles County, according to Michelle McCaskill, a spokeswoman for the Defense Logistics Agency.

In rural western Maine, the Oxford County Sheriff's Office asked for an MRAP. Cpl. George Cayer wrote in his request that Maine's western foothills face a "previously unimaginable threat from terrorist activities."

[Heracleum Persicum]

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Was wondering .. when "emergency" is declared, or in war times .. whether specific item/amendments in US constitutions can be "suspended" .. that seems to be the case right now, as seems some provisions of US constitutions do not apply right now (excuse being terrorism)

If so, why can the US President or congress, not suspend the "2nd amendment" , right to bear arms ? ?

2nd amendment is pure rubbish, used by crazy people to terrorize Americans

Sure, when anybody can buy all those arms and explosives and many other war material, police needs mine-resistant vehicles and mine sweepers, maybe even stealth vehicles and everything else Pentagon can offer .. NSA was not busy finding out what ISIS is all about, NSA was and IS busy what those nuts arming themselves to teeth in America are about

America now EXTREMELY polarized .. not only Rich/Poor (correctly resenting both, becoming rich by rubbing Joe and becoming poor by no fault of) .. not only economic injustice, Wall Street fleecing Joe to the poor house .. not only Political corruption and bankruptcy, being flat broke and suddenly worth $ 100+ m by just (supposedly) speeches (rubbish of no value) .. not only by decay of "moral and ethical" metrics .. but racial, Blacks, Latino, Muslims, Jewish and and and

Things moving to "pervert extreme" .. there is not one week that either some nut massacring school children or shopper in the mall, or an unarmed black kid delivering pizza is shot by police/security, or a homeless beaten to death and and

Can and will not continue like this

Authorities, Police, law enforcement knows this, and, rightly, they arming themselves military style, they would be nuts if they didn't .. would not wonder, and this no joke, could very well happen, that when uprising and rioting gets out of control (which it will), Air Force would bomb entire neighborhoods, like Zionist doing to Gazans

No good future

Is said, elders of some ethnics (and religions) recommending to move out of US .. some moving to Canada .. Jewish population of Canada rising rapidly

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[Nonc Hilaire]

Was wondering .. when "emergency" is declared, or in war times .. whether specific item/amendments in US constitutions can be "suspended" .. that seems to be the case right now, as seems some provisions of US constitutions do not apply right now (excuse being terrorism)

See http://fas.org/irp/offdocs/nspd/nspd-51.htm

Skip to the last paragraph describing the details. Now you know as much as the US public.

[Marcus]

. . My nation’s culture and attitudes have become increasingly militarized to the point that the potentially troublesome influence in "every city, every statehouse, every office of the federal government" that Eisenhower warned against in 1961 has extended far beyond Ike’s warnings to pervade the sensibilities of our individuals and communities. . .

His concern about the growth of the military-industrial complex was also not new for Eisenhower. Several months after his inauguration in 1953, he warned against warfare that had "humanity hanging from a cross of iron."

In the spring of 1961, I was part of a small group of undergraduates who met with the president's brother, Milton Eisenhower, who was then president of Johns Hopkins University. Milton Eisenhower and a Johns Hopkins professor of political science, Malcolm Moos, played major roles in the drafting and editing of the farewell speech of January 1961.

The actual drafter of the speech, Ralph E. Williams, relied on guidance from Professor Moos. Milton Eisenhower explained that one of the drafts of the speech referred to the "military-industrial-Congressional complex" and said that the president himself inserted the reference to the role of the Congress, an element that did not appear in the delivery of the farewell address.

When the president's brother asked about the dropped reference to Congress, the president replied: "It was more than enough to take on the military and private industry. I couldn't take on the Congress as well."

In addition to the Congress reference, an entire section was dropped from the speech that dealt with the creation of a "permanent, war-based industry," with "flag and general officers retiring at an early age [to] take positions in the war-based industrial complex shaping its decisions and guiding the direction of its tremendous thrust."

The president warned that steps needed to be taken to "insure that the 'merchants of death' do not come to dictate national policy."

The section also warned against any belief that some "spectacular and costly action could become the miraculous solution to all current difficulties."
President George W. Bush's war in Iraq and President Barack Obama's escalation of the war in Afghanistan certainly come to mind.

Although the Cold War ended two decades ago with the collapse of the Soviet Union, recent presidents have found no way out of increased military deployments and expenditures, nor have they challenged the national security influence of the military.

No president since Eisenhower has genuinely understood the dangers of the Pentagon's increasing influence over our national security policy.

—more here: http://www.consortiumnews.com/2011/011611b.html

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. . My nation’s culture and attitudes have become increasingly militarized to the point that the potentially troublesome influence in "every city, every statehouse, every office of the federal government" that Eisenhower warned against in 1961 has extended far beyond Ike’s warnings to pervade the sensibilities of our individuals and communities. . .

His concern about the growth of the military-industrial complex was also not new for Eisenhower. Several months after his inauguration in 1953, he warned against warfare that had "humanity hanging from a cross of iron."

In the spring of 1961, I was part of a small group of undergraduates who met with the president's brother, Milton Eisenhower, who was then president of Johns Hopkins University. Milton Eisenhower and a Johns Hopkins professor of political science, Malcolm Moos, played major roles in the drafting and editing of the farewell speech of January 1961.

The actual drafter of the speech, Ralph E. Williams, relied on guidance from Professor Moos. Milton Eisenhower explained that one of the drafts of the speech referred to the "military-industrial-Congressional complex" and said that the president himself inserted the reference to the role of the Congress, an element that did not appear in the delivery of the farewell address.

When the president's brother asked about the dropped reference to Congress, the president replied: "It was more than enough to take on the military and private industry. I couldn't take on the Congress as well."

In addition to the Congress reference, an entire section was dropped from the speech that dealt with the creation of a "permanent, war-based industry," with "flag and general officers retiring at an early age [to] take positions in the war-based industrial complex shaping its decisions and guiding the direction of its tremendous thrust."

The president warned that steps needed to be taken to "insure that the 'merchants of death' do not come to dictate national policy."

The section also warned against any belief that some "spectacular and costly action could become the miraculous solution to all current difficulties."
President George W. Bush's war in Iraq and President Barack Obama's escalation of the war in Afghanistan certainly come to mind.

Although the Cold War ended two decades ago with the collapse of the Soviet Union, recent presidents have found no way out of increased military deployments and expenditures, nor have they challenged the national security influence of the military.

No president since Eisenhower has genuinely understood the dangers of the Pentagon's increasing influence over our national security policy.

—more here: http://www.consortiumnews.com/2011/011611b.html

No one since has actually read Eisenhower's farewell address. If they had they wouldn't claim it says so much it did not.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/ike.htm

AS it is at this point in time I think there is a general consensus that Police in this country have way too much military gear then is good for us.

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