Why is liberal democracy losing its appeal ?

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Another angle for "Why is liberal democracy losing its appeal"


Time to Be a Woman Than a Man

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so does Chelsea Manning and Caitlin Jenner...... Chaz Bono dissents...

I identify as a lesbian with tiny tits and a huge clit so its all good.

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Best photos from the Obama White House years

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[Zack Morris]

I take the above libertarian/socialist split to be the same as "I take credit/blame for my quality of life" vs. "I think society takes credit/blame for my quality of life."

There's no such split, else we'd never be talking about coal miners and factory workers who were rendered obsolete decades ago but demand government intervention, ranchers who raise cattle in habitats they don't thrive and demand the land be privatized, or Don the Con himself who whines incessantly about being treated unfairly . There is however a split between people who blame others for their quality of life (until of course they feel unsatisfied and demand goodies from Don the Con) and those who don't.

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Putin's revenge


German papers saying US helped Yeltsin win and destroy Russia .. Seems, Putin now taking revenge

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[Mr. Perfect]

I take the above libertarian/socialist split to be the same as "I take credit/blame for my quality of life" vs. "I think society takes credit/blame for my quality of life."

There's no such split, else we'd never be talking about coal miners and factory workers who were rendered obsolete decades ago but demand government intervention, ranchers who raise cattle in habitats they don't thrive and demand the land be privatized, or Don the Con himself who whines incessantly about being treated unfairly . There is however a split between people who blame others for their quality of life (until of course they feel unsatisfied and demand goodies from Don the Con) and those who don't.

Lol none of this is true. Bitter are your tears, but they taste sweet to me.

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Putin's revenge


German papers saying US helped Yeltsin win and destroy Russia .. Seems, Putin now taking revenge

That was a Clinton play. Vladimir remembers.

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Putin's revenge


German papers saying US helped Yeltsin win and destroy Russia .. Seems, Putin now taking revenge

That was a Clinton play. Vladimir remembers.

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yes, it was a Clinton play

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That's why Hillary had to pay a belated price

We will see whether Trump will be another Yeltsin

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[Mr. Perfect]

Lol Trump is a multibillionaire. More appropriate to compare to Alexander the Great, historical figure.

[Simple Minded]

I take the above libertarian/socialist split to be the same as "I take credit/blame for my quality of life" vs. "I think society takes credit/blame for my quality of life."

There's no such split, else we'd never be talking about coal miners and factory workers who were rendered obsolete decades ago but demand government intervention, ranchers who raise cattle in habitats they don't thrive and demand the land be privatized, or Don the Con himself who whines incessantly about being treated unfairly . There is however a split between people who blame others for their quality of life (until of course they feel unsatisfied and demand goodies from Don the Con) and those who don't.

You really should read your own posts sometime Zack. I think you would be as amused as the rest of us.

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Lol Trump is a multibillionaire. More appropriate to compare to Alexander the Great, historical figure.

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Pretty good.

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Lol Trump is a multibillionaire. More appropriate to compare to Alexander the Great, historical figure.

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Very sad what's happening to our beloved America

1 - Trump no billionaire, probably not even millionaire .. big chance, he , like most Americans has negative net worth

Wonder why he not releasing his tax return ?

Reason is, his biggest asset is his "Brand", good will .. that, pretty much now worth nothing

The rest, his hard asset, he owes more than they worth .. he owes to Deutsche Bank a Billion .. that Trump tower he built in Chicago, when going got tough, he handed over to Deutsche Bank and left .. very similar to most his projects .. he proudly said when things get though he "renegotiates" , meaning hands over the keys and leaves

2 - that "rubbish" called "America First" was Lindberg's idea before WW2, he started it .. Lindberg was against America entering WW2, he visited Hitler and said all fine .. FDR had to pull a trick to bring US into WW2

Until 1930, America was a "regional power", following isolation policy .. most US did care (tyrannize) was central America, and a small bit South America .. a "regional power"

FDR changed this .. FDR meeting Churchill in mid atlantic on August 14, 1941, Atlantic Charter, dictated to "Great Britain" that after the war
there would be no "Great Britain" anymore, sun sets on British Empire .. and .. American empire begins by U$ dollar will replace British Pound as "world currency" .. Brits and everybody else (French and Dutch and Belgians etc) would free colonies and and and

FDR was a great man .. he meant good .. America not anymore "regional power" .. but became "world super power"

Things begun going wrong path with Eisenhower and Dulles brothers (John Foster Dulles) .. America was not anymore backing democracy in
those places where Brits where stealing nation's resources, as Brits arguing Iranian Oil is British property, but protecting BIG OIL .. Mossadegh, democratically elected PM of Iran was overthrown by CIA .. Wahhabi Saudi were backed

Vietnamese , rising up against French not wanting letting go of Vietnam, America starts bombing Vietnamese nation .. a disaster

Things went terribly wrong .. military industry highjacked America, probably also assassinated JFK

Than America drifting for a while until America backs the mad mullahs to overthrow Shah when Shah not anymore listening to America, Shah starts freelancing protecting Iranian interest, he had to go

mad mullahs were promising to kill all communist .. and .. America had good experience with Wahhabi Al Saud.

So, General Heyser was sent to Iran to neutralize Shah's generals

Khomeini double crosses America .. new Iranian PM meeting Zbigniew Brzezinski in Algeria , when told what to do, replies F.U.

US embassy saga follows

Reagan probably had alzheimer before he was elected president .. his biggest achievement was make America "feel good", nothing else.

Now , USSR implodes , ex CIA director Bush had the best opportunity to make America "Great again" .. instead, he thought he can now nail down all nails America could not nail with USSR present.

America lost last opportunity .. crooks (clinton), illiterates (W.) took over .. Bill was fooled by Rubin and Summers to cancel all security measures for economy, crooks fleeced America, Paulson shorted American homes .. Americans lost everything

W.Bush was fooled by Natanyahu to attack Iraq .. America lost beyond repair

Now, we have Trump

Trump basically saying, back to Lindberg "America First" .. America again becoming a "Regional Power" .. maybe central and south America .. Mexico and Canada maybe .. even those not anymore what they used to be, they much more stronger .. if US pushes too hard, Canada will sell more to China and cut export to America

Building cars in America and not in Mexico or Mercedes or BMW ?

Come on .. cars will be built in India and China .. iPhones now changing to be built in India and not anymore China

China and Russia are developing jet airliner to compete with Airbus and Boeing .. soon, Boing could be in trouble .. same with Caterpillar, Chinese machines are as good (maybe better) and 1/3 price .. right now, Chinese smart fone are much better than iPone and 1/3 price .. I have Huawei nexus much better than iphone


Trump, openly saying, he wants to make America to a "regional power" .. no more world super power

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[NapLajoieonSteroids]

A quibble about Charles Lindbergh. The man was certainly a eugenicist, isolationist and antagonistic towards Jews; he may have been behind the death of his son, but he was also mortified by Kristallnacht, immediately enlisted after Pearl Harbor (the 'America First' committee dissolved that same week) as well as spied on Germany on behalf of America.

He has gained an unfair caricature of this furtive demi-Nazi hiding in plain sight because FDR didn't like him and he was political opposition. FDR is a striking figure with a lot of positives but he was absolutely ruthless and never missed an opportunity to cut down opponents and people he didn't like at the knees while smearing them into oblivion. Lindbergh was a creepy dude-- like when his secret eugenic inspired "family" showed up after his death-- but no creepier than fabulists and pedophile Moe Berg who we celebrate for spying on the Japanese.

With Trump using America First (and some of the media calling him an outright fascist while others patronizingly speculate on how much of he understands about the historical connotation of the slogan) Lindbergh is naturally going to come up. But the loon has been dead for close to forty or fifty years now and deserves to be assessed without the connotation that he was the Adolph Hitler of the midwest.

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A quibble about Charles Lindbergh. The man was certainly a eugenicist, isolationist and antagonistic towards Jews; he may have been behind the death of his son, but he was also mortified by Kristallnacht, immediately enlisted after Pearl Harbor (the 'America First' committee dissolved that same week) as well as spied on Germany on behalf of America.

He has gained an unfair caricature of this furtive demi-Nazi hiding in plain sight because FDR didn't like him and he was political opposition. FDR is a striking figure with a lot of positives but he was absolutely ruthless and never missed an opportunity to cut down opponents and people he didn't like at the knees while smearing them into oblivion. Lindbergh was a creepy dude-- like when his secret eugenic inspired "family" showed up after his death-- but no creepier than fabulists and pedophile Moe Berg who we celebrate for spying on the Japanese.

With Trump using America First (and some of the media calling him an outright fascist while others patronizingly speculate on how much of he understands about the historical connotation of the slogan) Lindbergh is naturally going to come up. But the loon has been dead for close to forty or fifty years now and deserves to be assessed without the connotation that he was the Adolph Hitler of the midwest.

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Lindberg, Nazi sympathizers of America and all the rest, water under the bridge .. that was old good days white man ruled and non whites did not belong to human species, Lindberg (and many others) agreed with aDolf

Issue now is Trump .. he's poring all goodwill America gained last 100 yrs into toilet .. instead of correcting the mistakes that transformed within 2 generation America from most loved to most hated, he doubling down .. instead of showing the beautiful face he showing the hidden ugly face, for nickel & dime .. not understanding world has changed, what now counts bringing the bacon home is goodwill of world markets and people .. he does not understand last 30 yrs America excelled because all those foreign talent in Silicon Valley .. his hostility to foreigner will chase those Chinese and Iranian and Indian Phd technologist away back home, already happening (that is why China now beating America, the experts going back home) .. America was friendly to talent, not anymore

Same story happened to Brits .. European union made UK prosper, now talent and Banks and and leaving UK .. France have a task force to lure all from London to Paris, Frankfurt.



BTW : WikiLeaks calls on hackers to leak President Trump’s tax returns

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[Mr. Perfect]

Very good Democrat talking points. Democrat all the way down to the dots azari.

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Very good Democrat talking points. Democrat all the way down to the dots azari.

We all want best for our beloved America

Let's hope for the best , let's hope I am wrong

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[Mr. Perfect]

We all want best for our beloved America

Sounds like not everyone.

Let's hope for the best , let's hope I am wrong
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Most of what you said was wrong.

[Doc]

The real question is "why are Liberals losing their democratic appeal?"

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We all want best for our beloved America

Sounds like not everyone.

Let's hope for the best , let's hope I am wrong
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Most of what you said was wrong.

Could be .. hope so

Have to agree, still too early to make judgment .. too much negative thrown at Trump .. he could surprise us all .. good thing is he not one of the old guard, does not owe anything to any special interest.

We wil c

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A quibble about Charles Lindbergh. The man was certainly a eugenicist, isolationist and antagonistic towards Jews; he may have been behind the death of his son, but he was also mortified by Kristallnacht, immediately enlisted after Pearl Harbor (the 'America First' committee dissolved that same week) as well as spied on Germany on behalf of America.

He has gained an unfair caricature of this furtive demi-Nazi hiding in plain sight because FDR didn't like him and he was political opposition. FDR is a striking figure with a lot of positives but he was absolutely ruthless and never missed an opportunity to cut down opponents and people he didn't like at the knees while smearing them into oblivion. Lindbergh was a creepy dude-- like when his secret eugenic inspired "family" showed up after his death-- but no creepier than fabulists and pedophile Moe Berg who we celebrate for spying on the Japanese.

With Trump using America First (and some of the media calling him an outright fascist while others patronizingly speculate on how much of he understands about the historical connotation of the slogan) Lindbergh is naturally going to come up. But the loon has been dead for close to forty or fifty years now and deserves to be assessed without the connotation that he was the Adolph Hitler of the midwest.

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Lindberg, Nazi sympathizers of America and all the rest, water under the bridge .. that was old good days white man ruled and non whites did not belong to human species, Lindberg (and many others) agreed with aDolf

Issue now is Trump .. he's poring all goodwill America gained last 100 yrs into toilet .. instead of correcting the mistakes that transformed within 2 generation America from most loved to most hated, he doubling down .. instead of showing the beautiful face he showing the hidden ugly face, for nickel & dime .. not understanding world has changed, what now counts bringing the bacon home is goodwill of world markets and people .. he does not understand last 30 yrs America excelled because all those foreign talent in Silicon Valley .. his hostility to foreigner will chase those Chinese and Iranian and Indian Phd technologist away back home, already happening (that is why China now beating America, the experts going back home) .. America was friendly to talent, not anymore

Same story happened to Brits .. European union made UK prosper, now talent and Banks and and leaving UK .. France have a task force to lure all from London to Paris, Frankfurt.



BTW : WikiLeaks calls on hackers to leak President Trump’s tax returns

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Like I said, Lindbergh was a egotistical loon- from eugenicist on down - but the Nazi sympathizer smear starts and ends with FDR not liking the man (the fission started over airmail.)
As James Duffy points out, everyone repeats it because it is the conventional wisdom even when there is scant evidence for most of the charges.

It is one of the most successful character assassinations in American political history.

And its important to point out not because Lindbergh was righteous but it is a fine example in how the people with the microphones will verbally hurl vituperations upon people they disdain or whose ideas do not adhere to their boundaries (especially if they oppose people and policies they like) until it becomes the unquestionable conventional wisdom.

[Doc]

Democratic protested the 2000 elections said Bush was not their president.

This it seems worse. Democrats have become the party of anti-democrats.

[Simple Minded]

Democratic protested the 2000 elections said Bush was not their president.

This it seems worse. Democrats have become the party of anti-democrats.

almost seems like democrats want to be rugged individualists when it comes to disregarding election results....

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This "Alternative Fact" probably Putin idea .. it cuts the roots of western system (western democracy) .. Putin's revenge for that Yeltsin stunt.


Alternative Facts’
the Costs of Trump-Branded Reality


The most important task any American president should focus on right now, is brining back Joe's "trust" for America's rulers, President, Congress and Senate et al

Trump doing the opposite.


This from Financial Times, London :

Donald Trump set the tone for his aggressive style of leadership in his first weekend in office.

The new president waged an assault on facts, attacking the media on the inauguration turnout (it turns out it was smaller than the 2009 inauguration), rewriting the history of his fractious dealings with the intelligence community and making odd statements at his first CIA speech such as “Trust me. I’m like a smart person”.

His press secretary also held a bizarre briefing where he made inaccurate statements about the inauguration.

A new phrase was introduced by Kellyanne Conway, one of President Trump’s key advisers, to describe all of this: they are not falsehoods, just “alternative facts”.

This says it all …….. may the gods help us.


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New Age of Contempt


Immanuel Kant
“no man in his true senses … is candid.”

It wasn’t that Kant didn’t value truthfulness and sincerity in our interactions with others; he did. He realized, however, that the stability and progress of moral and political community depends on our being able to restrain ourselves from expressing publicly whatever we happen to be thinking or feeling. This is especially pressing when our inner thoughts and attitudes reflect contempt for our fellow human beings. Contempt, Kant recognized, is a very dangerous thing. The danger lies in contempt’s peculiar ability to dehumanize its target. Widespread public contempt has the potential to undermine the moral basis of all human relationships and, indeed, of human community itself.

A fundamental feature of contempt is that it is globalist, meaning that it is directed at the entire person, rather than just some aspect of that person. It is thus unlike other negative attitudes, like anger. If I express anger toward you, I am engaging with you. If I express contempt toward you, I am dismissing you. The distinction is crucial.

There is no "New" Age of Contempt .. as said B4 many many times, Joe nobody .. "Elite" decides

Joe played, and, if he become too demanding, he pushed away with ‘Alternative Facts’

Ayatollah Mesbah Yazdi said it honestly: People have no say, G_D decides things and mad mullahs are G_D's representative, mad mullahs decide .. no ifs&BUTTS, crystal clear

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