Egypt

[Ibrahim]

“Egypt and the whole world witnessed yesterday demonstrations by the great people of Egypt expressing their opinion in an unprecedented, peaceful and civilized way.

Everyone saw the movement of the Egyptian people and heard their voices with the greatest respect and concern. It is necessary that the people receive a reply to their movement and the call from every party with any responsibility in the dangerous circumstances surrounding the nation.

As a main party in the considerations of the future and based on their patriotic and historic responsibilities to protect security and stability, the Armed Forces state the following:

— The Armed Forces will not be a party in the circles of politics or governance and are not willing to step out of the role defined for them by the basic ideals of democracy based on the will of the people.

— The national security of the state is exposed to extreme danger by the developments the nation is witnessing, and this places a responsibility on us, each according to his position, to act as is proper to avert these dangers. The armed forces sensed early on the dangers of the current situation and the demands the great people have at this time. Therefore, it previously set a deadline of a week for all political forces in the country to come to a consensus and get out of this crisis. However, the week has passed without any sign of an initiative. This is what led to the people coming out with determination and resolve, in their full freedom, in this glorious way, which inspired surprise, respect and attention at the domestic, regional and international levels.

— Wasting more time will only bring more division and conflict, which we have warned about and continue to warn about. The noble people have suffered and have found no one to treat them with kindness or sympathize with them. That puts a moral and psychological burden on the armed forces, which find it obligatory that everyone drop everything and embrace these proud people, which have shown they are ready to do the impossible if only they feels there is loyalty and dedication to them.

— The Armed Forces repeat their call for the people’s demands to be met and give everyone 48 hours as a last chance to shoulder the burden of the historic moment that is happening in the nation, which will not forgive or tolerate any party that is lax in shouldering its responsibility.

— The Armed Forces put everyone on notice that if the demands of the people are not realized in the given time period, it will be obliged by its patriotic and historic responsibilities and by its respect for the demands of the great Egyptian people to announce a road map for the future and the steps for overseeing its implementation, with participation of all patriotic and sincere parties and movements — including the youth, who set off the glorious revolution and continue to do so — without excluding anyone.

A salute of appreciation and pride to the sincere and loyal men of the Armed Forces, who have always borne and will continue to bear their patriotic responsibilities toward the great people of Egypt with determination, decisiveness and pride.

God save Egypt and its proud, great people.”

http://www.timesofisrael.com/full-text- ... ultimatum/

Mursi and the religious obsessed are about to disappear from the Egyptian political scene. Next will be Erdogan and the Turkish religious obsessed. Insha'Allah...or, as we say in Portugal, Oxalá!...

Your enthusiasm for fascist military action against democratically elected governments has already been noted, but if you think that future elections will somehow remove religion from public life in either of these countries you are mistaken.

[Ibrahim]

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeas ... 43155.html

Egypt's embattled President Mohamed Morsi has proposed a consensus government as a way out of the country's crisis, as an army deadline urging him to meet the protesters' demands expired.

"The presidency envisions the formation of a consensus coalition government to oversee the next parliamentary election," his office said on Wednesday in a statement on Facebook.

The statement reiterated that Morsi held opposition parties responsible for obstructing a political initiative that would also set up a panel to prepare amendments to the constitution passed into law last December.

Egypt is bracing for a showdown between the military and Morsi, who has rejected the army ultimatum to end a political crisis with his opponents, who have called for his resignation.

This isn't a bad solution, actually. But I don't know if they have time to put this together. If they get a shot they'd betting do it quick and on the level. Elections are always more legitimate than coups.

[Ibrahim]

So much for that.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeas ... 76718.html

President Morsi overthrown in Egypt
Head of constitutional court named interim leader by military chief.

The Egyptian army has overthrown President Mohamed Morsi, announcing a roadmap for the country’s political future that will be implemented by a national reconciliation committee.

The head of Egypt's armed forces issued a declaration on Wednesday evening suspending the constitution and appointing the head of the constitutional court as interim head of state.

Not a great precedent but we'll see what happens. Probably good news if you're an Egyptian secularist. Timetable for an election is key.

[Heracleum Persicum]

So much for that.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeas ... 76718.html

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President Morsi overthrown in Egypt

Head of constitutional court named interim leader by military chief.

The Egyptian army has overthrown President Mohamed Morsi, announcing a roadmap for the country’s political future that will be implemented by a national reconciliation committee.

The head of Egypt's armed forces issued a declaration on Wednesday evening suspending the constitution and appointing the head of the constitutional court as interim head of state.

Not a great precedent but we'll see what happens. Probably good news if you're an Egyptian secularist. Timetable for an election is key.


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Bad for Qatar


For sure good for Assad




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[Endovelico]

President Morsi overthrown in Egypt... Probably good news if you're an Egyptian secularist...

Good news for religious Egyptians too. Now they can focus on praying to their God, instead of trying to kill people of other faiths...

[Ibrahim]

President Morsi overthrown in Egypt... Probably good news if you're an Egyptian secularist...

Good news for religious Egyptians too. Now they can focus on praying to their God, instead of trying to kill people of other faiths...

Was that a policy of the Morsi government? It it a policy of the Muslim Brotherhood? The answer in both cases is no.
Did you not see the head of Al Ahzar's statement from earlier in the thread?
Or maybe you were just trying to make a joke, because otherwise this sounds like something a racist durian would say without knowing anything about the situation.

Anyway you support the use of violence to force your religious ideology on people, so your status as both fascist and religious extremist is already a matter of record.

[Ibrahim]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23175224#TWEET810635

UK Foreign Secretary William Hague has called on "all sides" in Egypt "to show restraint and avoid violence" after its army ousted President Mohammed Morsi.

He said he did not "support military intervention as a way to resolve disputes in a democratic system".

But he called on all parties to show "leadership and vision" to "restore and renew Egypt's democratic transition".

Decent statement from the UK. Better than the "yeah, army!" op-ed on US cable news in between Zimmerman trial marathons.

[Hans Bulvai]

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How Did the U.S. Lose the Egyptian People ?

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How exactly did the U.S. come to be seen by Egyptian secularists and liberals as the handmaiden of a cultish fundamentalist political party whose motto includes this heartening sentiment: “Jihad is our way, and dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope” ?

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America "insulted" Egyptian people's intelligence .. thinking they idiots .. to force this POS Wahhabi Islamist down Egyptian people's throat, the so called "New Muslim Brotherhood" sh*t in bed with Zionist next door


Egyptian people want a real patriot and not another CIA crony


Assad , goooooooooooooooooo



Good News

Egypt's military has drawn up a plan to suspend the Islamist-backed constitution, dissolve the Islamist-dominated legislature and set up an interim administration headed by the country's chief justice if President Mohammed Morsi fails to reach a solution with his opponents by the end of a Wednesday deadline, the state news agency reported.

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If anything this shows that Egyptians border the idiotic.

Mursi was nothing but an interim stooge.
As if the military could have done anything without getting the blessings of Ambassador Extraordinary Patterson.

C'mon Azari. This is the same military that kept Mubarak in power. The same military that gets its paycheck from Washington.
How quickly do they forget. The stooge Mursi will stand trial for bullshit while Mubafuk is still in his 5 star jail cell. What a circus.

But I will hand it to the planners. They for sure knew how to steer the foolish populace. Titter revolutions and all.


And look at this guy who is "enforcing the will of the people"...



Abdul Fatah Khalil Al-Sisi

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War Course, US Army War College, United States, 2006
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Which war did he train for I wonder??

Al-Sisi announced on television that the president had "failed to meet the demands of the Egyptian people" and declared that the constitution would be suspended.

Where was he when Mubafuk failed to meet the demands of the people for 30 years...


Yeah,

[Mr. Perfect]

Or maybe you were just trying to make a joke, because otherwise this sounds like something a racist durian would say without knowing anything about the situation.

Ibs you comment on so many situations you know nothing about so perhaps you should allow the same privilege to others. Only makes sense.

And tell me, what do you have to know about the situation in order to object to the persecution of Christians in Egypt.

[Ibrahim]

If anything this shows that Egyptians border the idiotic.

Well, no more idiotic than the next country. Morsi had an approval rating of %46 in April, which is comparable to Obama's today. Democracy means you're governed by a party that around half of the country (at best) didn't vote for, and people tend to be sore losers. The problem is that a) there is enough instability to actually oust the president, which there isn't in many countries, and b) the global community will tolerate and even encourage or actively instigate coups in non-western countries.

Mursi was nothing but an interim stooge.
As if the military could have done anything without getting the blessings of Ambassador Extraordinary Patterson.

I think they would have picked another stooge if they could have, and I don't think the US has as much pull as all that. They send billions to the Egyptian military, but what choice do they have? Americans are so terrified of Islamists and without the foreign-funded army the country would be under Islamist control indefinitely. Short of making Bin Laden's head on a robot body the new president the army can do pretty much wahtever they want and Washington will keep sending cheques. Hell, they murdered and tortured for decades, sometimes directly on behalf of the US. This is a partnership with roots.

Ideally there would be no foreign military aid.

But I will hand it to the planners. They for sure knew how to steer the foolish populace.

What do you figure the Egyptians should have done? The Islamists want more Islamism, Western racists and Islamophobes just want as many Arabs to suffer and die as possible, but what should Egyptians and progressive types who want what's best for Egypt be rooting for?

[Heracleum Persicum]

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How Did the U.S. Lose the Egyptian People ?

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How exactly did the U.S. come to be seen by Egyptian secularists and liberals as the handmaiden of a cultish fundamentalist political party whose motto includes this heartening sentiment: “Jihad is our way, and dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope” ?

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America "insulted" Egyptian people's intelligence .. thinking they idiots .. to force this POS Wahhabi Islamist down Egyptian people's throat, the so called "New Muslim Brotherhood" sh*t in bed with Zionist next door


Egyptian people want a real patriot and not another CIA crony


Assad , goooooooooooooooooo



Good News

Egypt's military has drawn up a plan to suspend the Islamist-backed constitution, dissolve the Islamist-dominated legislature and set up an interim administration headed by the country's chief justice if President Mohammed Morsi fails to reach a solution with his opponents by the end of a Wednesday deadline, the state news agency reported.

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If anything this shows that Egyptians border the idiotic.

Mursi was nothing but an interim stooge.
As if the military could have done anything without getting the blessings of Ambassador Extraordinary Patterson.

C'mon Azari. This is the same military that kept Mubarak in power. The same military that gets its paycheck from Washington.
How quickly do they forget. The stooge Mursi will stand trial for bullshit while Mubafuk is still in his 5 star jail cell. What a circus.

But I will hand it to the planners. They for sure knew how to steer the foolish populace. Titter revolutions and all.


And look at this guy who is "enforcing the will of the people"...



Abdul Fatah Khalil Al-Sisi

...
War Course, US Army War College, United States, 2006
...

Which war did he train for I wonder??

Al-Sisi announced on television that the president had "failed to meet the demands of the Egyptian people" and declared that the constitution would be suspended.

Where was he when Mubafuk failed to meet the demands of the people for 30 years...


Yeah,


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Hans, we reading same book, and, on the same page


This Egyptian military CIA trained to the bone, $$$ fed last 35 yrs when that traitor climbed in bed with Zionist selling his people for nickle and dime ($$ to Generals and cronies)

What will happen now in Egypt is, CIA (Egyptian military) trying hit and miss

First install that weirdo Morsi and their "New Muslim Brotherhood"

if that fails to fool heart of Arabian speaking nations, Egypt,

Next they will try another crony, say that clown Amr Moussa, fooling Egyptian people for another yr or two

but

not gonno work

only ElBaradei can fix things

But, neither CIA nor the Generals want ElBaradei

Because he no traitor,

and

Push will come to shove, when "the generals" themselves an issue

Egypt needs another NASSER .. he was a great man




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[Endovelico]

President Morsi overthrown in Egypt... Probably good news if you're an Egyptian secularist...

Good news for religious Egyptians too. Now they can focus on praying to their God, instead of trying to kill people of other faiths...

Was that a policy of the Morsi government? It it a policy of the Muslim Brotherhood? The answer in both cases is no.
Did you not see the head of Al Ahzar's statement from earlier in the thread?
Or maybe you were just trying to make a joke, because otherwise this sounds like something a racist durian would say without knowing anything about the situation.

Anyway you support the use of violence to force your religious ideology on people, so your status as both fascist and religious extremist is already a matter of record.

Your head works funny when you are angry. Morsi may not have wanted to kill people with different religious beliefs, but he was elected by extremists who did. He was a prisoner of those extremists and was pushed to discriminate against non-Muslims. Any politician who wants to impose his particular faith or way of life on others, is responsible for all the violence which occurs in the name of God. A legitimate government should be conditioned by ethical values, not by any particular religious belief. You are smart enough to understand this, so why do you try and make us believe you aren't?...

[Mr. Perfect]

The Islamists...

Isn't this racist.

but what should Egyptians and progressive types who want what's best for Egypt be rooting for?

Hey, look at this, only progressives want what's best for Egypt.

But tell us Ibs, how can you say you want what's best for Egypt when you can't even say what is best for Egypt?

[Heracleum Persicum]

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MNN reporting (MNN = Mossad News Netwqork)




coup which Wednesday, July 3, overthrew President Mohamed Morsi put in reverse gear for the first time the Obama administration’s policy of sponsoring the Muslim Brotherhood movement as a moderate force for Arab rule and partner in its Middle East policies.

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Saudi Arabia and the UAE threw their weight and purses behind Egypt’s generals aiming to put their first big spoke in the US-sponsored Arab Revolt (or Spring), after they failed to hold the tide back in Libya, Egypt and thus far Syria.

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1. Should the Obama administration cut off the annual US aid allocation of $1.3 billion, Saudi Arabia and the UAE would make up the military budget’s shortfall;

2. The Saudis, UAE and other Gulf nations, such as Bahrain and Kuwait, would immediately start pumping out substantial funds to keep the Egyptian economy running. The Egyptian masses would be shown that in a properly managed economy, they could be guaranteed a minimal standard of living and need not go hungry as many did under Muslim Brotherhood rule.

According to our sources, the Saudis and the UAE pledged to match the funds Qatar transferred to the Muslim Brotherhood’s coffers in Cairo in the past year, amounting to the vast sum of $13 billion.

This explains President Barack Obama’s caution Thursday morning, July 4, in his expression of deep concern over the ousting of the Egyptian president and the suspension of its constitution. He urged the military to restore government to civilian hands - without accusing them outright of a coup d’etat - and to “avoid arresting President Moris and his supporters.”

The US president refrained from cutting off aid to Egypt, now under military rule, only ordering his administration “to assess what the military's actions meant for US foreign aid to Egypt.”

Thursday morning, Washington ordered US diplomats and their families to leave Cairo at once, leaving just a skeleton staff at the embassy for emergencies.

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By means of the successful military putsch in Cairo, Saudi King Abdullah had his revenge for the toppling of his friend Hosni Mubarak in February 2011, for which he has never forgiven President Obama whom he held responsible.

The Saudi-Gulf intervention in Egypt’s change of government also ushers in a new stage of the Arab Revolt for the Middle East. For the first time, a group of traditionally pro-US conservative Arab governments has struck out on its own to fill the leadership vacuum left by the Obama administration’s unwillingness to pursue direct initiatives in the savage Syrian civil war or forcibly preempt Iran’s drive for a nuclear bomb.

The removal of Muslim Brotherhood rule in Egypt has far-reaching ramifications for Israel. In the immediate term, it gives Israel some security relief – especially, easing the dangers posed from Sinai to its southern regions. The radical Palestinian Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood offshoot which rules the Gaza Strip, has suffered the most damaging political and military setback in its history with the loss of its parent and patron in Cairo.

The big question facing Egypt’s still uncertain future is: Will Riyadh and the UAE follow through on their backing for Gen. Fattah El-Sisi, the most powerful man in Egypt today, and release the promised funds for rehabilitating the Egyptian economy?

Mosche with Wahhabi in bed


Have to admit, Obama smart .. UAE and Saudi ? ? .. who the f*ck are they ? ?


Iran just watching and laughing



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[Ibrahim]

President Morsi overthrown in Egypt... Probably good news if you're an Egyptian secularist...

Good news for religious Egyptians too. Now they can focus on praying to their God, instead of trying to kill people of other faiths...

Was that a policy of the Morsi government? It it a policy of the Muslim Brotherhood? The answer in both cases is no.
Did you not see the head of Al Ahzar's statement from earlier in the thread?
Or maybe you were just trying to make a joke, because otherwise this sounds like something a racist durian would say without knowing anything about the situation.

Anyway you support the use of violence to force your religious ideology on people, so your status as both fascist and religious extremist is already a matter of record.

Your head works funny when you are angry.

I'm not angry, I just oppose fascism.

Morsi may not have wanted to kill people with different religious beliefs, but he was elected by extremists who did.

This is a lazy stereotype, but in actual fact the MB officially opposes all violence with the exception of Palestinian resistance against Israeli occupation (which is debatable but another issue). Within the context of Egypt their official party platform is and has been against any harassment of religious minorities, as was the policy of the Morsi government (the two being largely the same). So to say that some people attack the Copts, or that the government should do more to prevent that is one thing, but to claim, based on nothing but anti-Arab, anti-Muslim stereotypes, that Morsi or the MB or "Islamists" in general ant to attack non-Muslims is simply false. You can politically oppose "Islamist" parties in Egypt without inventing lies about them. Believe me, there is enough reason to dislike Morsi based on the actual facts.

There are 70 million Egyptian Muslims, if half of them (i.e. the MB/Islamists) wanted to attack Copts it would look like late 30's Germany in Egypt. But it doesn't, and there has been a Christian minority there officially protected by law for over a thousand years. Every time there is an attack on Copts it is officially condemned by everyone from the Coptic pope to Al Azhar to, yes, the Muslim Brotherhood.

A legitimate government should be conditioned by ethical values,

Right, Endo's ethical values or else send in the tanks and force them to behave how Endo thinks they should behave.

[monster_gardener]

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How Did the U.S. Lose the Egyptian People ?

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How exactly did the U.S. come to be seen by Egyptian secularists and liberals as the handmaiden of a cultish fundamentalist political party whose motto includes this heartening sentiment: “Jihad is our way, and dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope” ?

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America "insulted" Egyptian people's intelligence .. thinking they idiots .. to force this POS Wahhabi Islamist down Egyptian people's throat, the so called "New Muslim Brotherhood" sh*t in bed with Zionist next door


Egyptian people want a real patriot and not another CIA crony


Assad , goooooooooooooooooo



Good News

Egypt's military has drawn up a plan to suspend the Islamist-backed constitution, dissolve the Islamist-dominated legislature and set up an interim administration headed by the country's chief justice if President Mohammed Morsi fails to reach a solution with his opponents by the end of a Wednesday deadline, the state news agency reported.

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If anything this shows that Egyptians border the idiotic.

Mursi was nothing but an interim stooge.
As if the military could have done anything without getting the blessings of Ambassador Extraordinary Patterson.

C'mon Azari. This is the same military that kept Mubarak in power. The same military that gets its paycheck from Washington.
How quickly do they forget. The stooge Mursi will stand trial for bullshit while Mubafuk is still in his 5 star jail cell. What a circus.

But I will hand it to the planners. They for sure knew how to steer the foolish populace. Titter revolutions and all.


And look at this guy who is "enforcing the will of the people"...



Abdul Fatah Khalil Al-Sisi

...
War Course, US Army War College, United States, 2006
...

Which war did he train for I wonder??

Al-Sisi announced on television that the president had "failed to meet the demands of the Egyptian people" and declared that the constitution would be suspended.

Where was he when Mubafuk failed to meet the demands of the people for 30 years...


Yeah,

Thank you Very MUCH for your post, Hans.

Titter revolutions and all.

This reminds me of FEMEN and their use of bare breasts as weapons........

And that Egyptian young lady Grrl who went and did likewise

They’re those bare-breasted female militants of the feminist movement Femen, with their unexpected, attention-grabbing appearances at public events and official ceremonies, demanding the liberation of their imprisoned members or protesting against sexual abuse of women, sexism, religious institutions and all kinds of oppression, from the exploitation of young fashion models to dictatorships, domestic violence, the subjugation of women in Arab countries, and in support of women’s and gay rights.

Founded in Ukraine in 2008, Femen is a self-declared “radical feminist” group whose main slogan is “Our Breasts, Our Weapons!” They describe their militancy as “pop-feminism,” and their activities as “sextremism,” defined on their web site as ”targeted, extreme topless acts” of protest carried out in defense of women’s rights and equality for all.

They’ve been particularly active in recent weeks. On their website they claimed credit for the liberation Tuesday of a Tunisian rapper who had been jailed in January and sentenced to two years in prison for anti-government lyrics. This is the fourth political prisoner who FEMEN claims to have freed. “With our attacks we have drawn global attention to the Islamization of the Maghreb countries,” they say on their web site.

Last weekend, three Femen members entered a mosque in central Stockholm, baring their breasts emblazoned with slogans such as “No sharia in Egypt and the world” and “My body is mine, not somebody’s honour” and chanting “No sharia” and “Free women,” before they were taken away by police.

Previously, three members had besieged the Tunisian prime minister’s car during an official visit last week in Brussels. Two of them climbed on top of his vehicle as it pulled away from European Union headquarters, protesting the jailing of three comrades for a prior topless protest staged outside the justice ministry in Tunis.

Their comrades, in turn, were demonstrating in defense of Amina Tyler, 19, who had been arrested days earlier for posting topless pictures of herself on Facebook with the slogan “My body belongs to me” in Arabic across her chest. She was threatened with death by stoning by conservative ministers.

All six Femen activists have been freed.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ceciliarodr ... s-weapons/

[Azrael]

It seems like what is happening now in Egypt is like what happened in Thailand a few years ago where the military relatively briefly suspended democracy. I think that the moderate Islamist trend could eventually return to power.

[Heracleum Persicum]

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Read somewhere reason Mosrsi failed was he could not improve economy

well ,

Egypt needs billions of Dollars, to fix damage done to it's economy last 35 years

where should this $ 100s of billions come ? ?

look, guys,

I want to make a "prediction" here (I think there is a thread for predictions )

West AND Israel need a stable, peaceful, (relatively) prosperous Egypt

A disarrayed .. soon 100+ million population Egypt .. is a mortal danger for Israel

and

Nasser said, on the record, Oil of Arabia and Kuwait and and, belongs to ALL Arabs .. he said it is ARAB oil

In that sense, who the f*ck is that monkey calling himself AMIR ( ) of Qatar ? ? ?

The money to straighten up Egypt will come from Qatar

Saudi Arabia needs Oil income to survive, not so Qatar, Kuwait, UEA

No other way



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[Heracleum Persicum]

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Jerusalem Post : ElBaradei favored to head transitional Egypt gov't

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"ElBaradei is our first choice," a source close to the military high command said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation.

"He's an international figure, popular with young people and believes in a democracy that would include all political forces. He is also popular among some Islamist groups," the source said.

Political sources said ElBaradei, who won the Nobel peace prize for his work as head of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), would also be acceptable to Western governments that have bent over backwards to avoid calling the removal of Morsi and his Muslim Brotherhood a military coup.

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Question is, whether ElBaradei will accept it

am not sure he will


unless



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[Ibrahim]

It seems like what is happening now in Egypt is like what happened in Thailand a few years ago where the military relatively briefly suspended democracy. I think that the moderate Islamist trend could eventually return to power.

I could work out alright, but the military has been shutting down pro-MB media outlets and arresting (some say mass-arresting) senior MB leadership. If this turns into a purge its a bad sign. Any real democracy in Egypt is going to have to include Islamists.

[Endovelico]

It seems like what is happening now in Egypt is like what happened in Thailand a few years ago where the military relatively briefly suspended democracy. I think that the moderate Islamist trend could eventually return to power.

I could work out alright, but the military has been shutting down pro-MB media outlets and arresting (some say mass-arresting) senior MB leadership. If this turns into a purge its a bad sign. Any real democracy in Egypt is going to have to include Islamists.

Inclusion has only to do with citizenship. People are not included as Islamists, or Christians, or Socialists, or Liberals, or anything else. People have rights because they are people and citizens, and the state cannot have any other concern but the recognition of those rights and of the equality of all before the law. Race, creed, ideology, gender, colour of skin cannot be of any concern to the state, beyond the recognition of equal rights to all. Once you start recognizing rights to some group because of such considerations, you stop having democracy.

[Ibrahim]

It seems like what is happening now in Egypt is like what happened in Thailand a few years ago where the military relatively briefly suspended democracy. I think that the moderate Islamist trend could eventually return to power.

I could work out alright, but the military has been shutting down pro-MB media outlets and arresting (some say mass-arresting) senior MB leadership. If this turns into a purge its a bad sign. Any real democracy in Egypt is going to have to include Islamists.

Inclusion has only to do with citizenship. People are not included as Islamists, or Christians, or Socialists, or Liberals, or anything else. People have rights because they are people and citizens, and the state cannot have any other concern but the recognition of those rights and of the equality of all before the law. Race, creed, ideology, gender, colour of skin cannot be of any concern to the state, beyond the recognition of equal rights to all. Once you start recognizing rights to some group because of such considerations, you stop having democracy.

And in what ways does the stated platform of the MB conflict with this?

I'm not trying to trick you here, you can go to their website and see what their platform is. You're confusing their actual policies with what e.g. Pam Geller thinks they policies are.

If you or anyone is opposed to heavy-handed police measures and repression - and I am - then the Morsi government was guilty of that as well, but the coup has already proved as bad or worse, so there's no solution there. And there is nothing inherently violent about "Isalmism" as an ideology. Some "Islamists" are violent, but you can be a completely non-violent "Islamist."

[noddy]

if you want to integrate into a muslim community you need to babble some cliches about mohammed from time to time - ditto joining a christian one helps if you do abit of jesus talk.

to join a secular atheist community it definitely helps in the bonding process if you mumble abit of anti religious hokery pokery as required, a few hail democracies and bless the scientific statistics goes a long way.

[Heracleum Persicum]

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[Endovelico]

if you want to integrate into a muslim community...

That's where the problem starts. Communities are not Muslim, Christian, Socialist or Liberal. People - individuals - are. Of course if everybody in a community is Muslim, they tend to do the Muslim thing together. But a Christian would not be outside that community because he wasn't Muslim. He just would not join the others in the specifically religious activities, but would live with them, work with them, eat with them, participate with them in choosing their rulers, etc. A community is not the same thing as a church, or a political party, or a football club. A community is a social and political entity which must be all-inclusive. Even the most civilized people seem to forget this sometimes...