I spose the biggest factor for australia is our levels of immigration are impossible to understand for most other countries.
America is a huge immigrant country, 16% of the population was born overseas.
Australia averages 30% of the country born overseas, my state, 45%
their quite literaly is no australia - their is just a bunch of people living their lives with the normal levels of distrust for foreigners, which is everyone else.
noddy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 2:14 am
I spose the biggest factor for australia is our levels of immigration are impossible to understand for most other countries.
America is a huge immigrant country, 16% of the population was born overseas.
Australia averages 30% of the country born overseas, my state, 45%
their quite literaly is no australia - their is just a bunch of people living their lives with the normal levels of distrust for foreigners, which is everyone else.
I don't believe there is any such state as Wyoming. After all have you ever met anyone from *there*?
"I fancied myself as some kind of god....It is a sort of disease when you consider yourself some kind of god, the creator of everything, but I feel comfortable about it now since I began to live it out.” -- George Soros
noddy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 2:53 am
hysterical right wing americans on the #australiahasfallen twitters.
I feel like I should clarify - im not against right wing , according to most around me im very right , im just totally bemused with the sovereign citizen bullshit.,
work, and politics , and life are a bit much at the moment and all that stuff has been in my face a bit much of late.
its hard enough to be against the grain as it is, without idiots making your side of politics untenable.
Doc wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 3:53 am
I don't believe there is any such state as Wyoming. After all have you ever met anyone from *there*?
All those straight line states. Nobody cared about those borders. “Just draw a frickin’ line, Bob.”.
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Doc wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 3:53 am
I don't believe there is any such state as Wyoming. After all have you ever met anyone from *there*?
All those straight line states. Nobody cared about those borders. “Just draw a frickin’ line, Bob.”.
I guess they have to have something to break up the scenery.
"I fancied myself as some kind of god....It is a sort of disease when you consider yourself some kind of god, the creator of everything, but I feel comfortable about it now since I began to live it out.” -- George Soros
noddy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 2:53 am
hysterical right wing americans on the #australiahasfallen twitters.
I feel like I should clarify - im not against right wing , according to most around me im very right , im just totally bemused with the sovereign citizen bullshit.,
work, and politics , and life are a bit much at the moment and all that stuff has been in my face a bit much of late.
its hard enough to be against the grain as it is, without idiots making your side of politics untenable.
That's just a guilty conscience speaking before you send us all the gulags.
noddy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 2:53 am
hysterical right wing americans on the #australiahasfallen twitters.
I feel like I should clarify - im not against right wing , according to most around me im very right , im just totally bemused with the sovereign citizen bullshit.,
work, and politics , and life are a bit much at the moment and all that stuff has been in my face a bit much of late.
its hard enough to be against the grain as it is, without idiots making your side of politics untenable.
That's just a guilty conscience speaking before you send us all the gulags.
as if id waste the resources on setting up gulags.
noddy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 2:53 am
hysterical right wing americans on the #australiahasfallen twitters.
I feel like I should clarify - im not against right wing , according to most around me im very right , im just totally bemused with the sovereign citizen bullshit.,
work, and politics , and life are a bit much at the moment and all that stuff has been in my face a bit much of late.
its hard enough to be against the grain as it is, without idiots making your side of politics untenable.
That's just a guilty conscience speaking before you send us all the gulags.
as if id waste the resources on setting up gulags.
A late-antiquity archeologist's blog I read fairly regularly takes almost the same position as you, except he'd not hesitate to describe himself as right wing and he is even more contemptuous of the idiots.
It's hard to argue against, even if the level of contempt is a bit much.
The thing is though, no one is coming out of this covered in glory and if one faction is idiots, what's the excuse for the rest?
NapLajoieonSteroids wrote: ↑Thu Aug 26, 2021 6:02 am
gue against, even if the level of contempt is a bit much.
The thing is though, no one is coming out of this covered in glory and if one faction is idiots, what's the excuse for the rest?
right, but if the argument is sovereign citizen idiots versus fear worshipping idiots then its not an argument, its a shitstorm that lets corporates/governments do whatever they like in response to that paradigm.
much the same as the multi gender/pronoun mob vs the westboro baptist church types and a presentation of those as the 2 sides of the argument.
im less fussed by the progressives being idiots because I want them clearly on the side of idiocy.
It's very hard to get certain people to wrap their heads around the fact that lockdowns are a popular idea which just might make up a majority, if ever so slightly.
I suspect that is something which is going uncommented upon with our job market where everyone is seemingly having trouble filling jobs.
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NapLajoieonSteroids wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 7:59 am
It's very hard to get certain people to wrap their heads around the fact that lockdowns are a popular idea which just might make up a majority, if ever so slightly.
in middle class countries with over 50% of the population in stable government or corporate work, unemployement less than 10% , its sitting around 80% pro lockdown.
places with solid unemployment support, free medicare, and low on desperate poor living day to day.
this is one aspect of america ive never bothered talking about on these forums, its bumper sticker city to even go there.
NapLajoieonSteroids wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 7:59 am
I suspect that is something which is going uncommented upon with our job market where everyone is seemingly having trouble filling jobs.
right, in my country the minimum wage is a fixed ratio higher than the government support, which tends to stop such false incentives happening.
if i was working poor, juggling several sub-living standard jobs, id be also jumping on any benefits trains I could.
in australia its those folks who got screwed by the lockdowns, the government handouts were too short, too low.
they gave the bulk of the money to corporates and churches and well connected types - all the little folks didnt have the bureaucracy skills to maximise it.
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alas, that side of australia is too small to count, politically :/
so many contradictions going on, its hard to have pithy opinions.
the border closures have stopped our low skilled market from being flooded with properly desperate folks from India and Asia - this has protected our lower end workers alot as the ones that have kept jobs have more bargaining power than they have had for decades.
to some neocon flicktards, this is a lowering of our competitiveness and efficiency.
and they are certainly the face of the lockdown [hence all the gymbro "I'm not closing down" defiance videos]
but I don't think that is bulk of the push-- I think it's really coming from a lot of conservative boomers-- people who tend to vote/donate to candidates.
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I'll just say, it's not that I don't believe it is a majority in support and large majorities in many places but considering how fake polling has become, I don't trust any number cited.
NapLajoieonSteroids wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 8:26 am
We certain have more petit-bourgeoise
and they are certainly the face of the lockdown [hence all the gymbro "I'm not closing down" defiance videos]
but I don't think that is bulk of the push-- I think it's really coming from a lot of conservative boomers-- people who tend to vote/donate to candidates.
well, the conservative boomers are a pretty big part of that sovereign citizen thing are they not ?
NapLajoieonSteroids wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 8:26 am
We certain have more petit-bourgeoise
and they are certainly the face of the lockdown [hence all the gymbro "I'm not closing down" defiance videos]
but I don't think that is bulk of the push-- I think it's really coming from a lot of conservative boomers-- people who tend to vote/donate to candidates.
well, the conservative boomers are a pretty big part of that sovereign citizen thing are they not ?
No, despite overlaps I'd say no. There isn't a whole lot of that- really. Mind you, I am blue state usa
but if it were such a big deal, we'd be seeing more successful libertarians than just the carpetbaggers in conservative media channels
NapLajoieonSteroids wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 8:26 am
I'll just say, it's not that I don't believe it is a majority in support and large majorities in many places but considering how fake polling has become, I don't trust any number cited.
my zero covid premier has 90% support - unheard of levels even with fake polls, the federal government tried to sue the state into opening up, the only thing that happened is that their poltiical party lost every seat in my state.
100 years of 55/45 type left/right splits turned into 90/10 and the complete destruction of the right wing party - they literally have 2 seats out of 55.
and my state is a right wing, mining and farming state.... granted the left wing premier is ex army, pro worker type left not greeny progressive type left.
NapLajoieonSteroids wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 8:26 am
I'll just say, it's not that I don't believe it is a majority in support and large majorities in many places but considering how fake polling has become, I don't trust any number cited.
my zero covid premier has 90% support - unheard of levels even with fake polls, the federal government tried to sue the state into opening up, the only thing that happened is that their poltiical party lost every seat in my state.
100 years of 55/45 type left/right splits turned into 90/10 and the complete destruction of the right wing party - they literally have 2 seats out of 55.
and my state is a right wing, mining and farming state.... granted the left wing premier is ex army, pro worker type left not greeny progressive type left.
Just to make sure there isn't a cross-up, I'm not saying I don't believe in its clear popularity for the reasons you mentioned earlier.
everytime someone bangs on how the covid deaths are fake because they all had comorbidity or were old, they create more people hardened on destroying that political view.
this line of thought is destroying right wing support in the middle class west with such verocity im in shock.
the "personal responbility" angle on this is straight up psychopath talk to the average urban/city dweller, some magical fairy land you can lock yourself in an apartment that doesnt need rent or services paid.
noddy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 8:43 am
the "personal responbility" angle on this is straight up psychopath talk to the average urban/city dweller, some magical fairy land you can lock yourself in an apartment that doesnt need rent or services paid.
It would have been a litigation nightmare and greater economic disaster from the start, and it would've paralyzed any political response whatsoever.
