The Crisis of Meaning

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This is not this but that

When (a) is no longer identical to (a) but to some other (b). This creates the space also post modernism craves. Or any "Pravda" source of lies and misinformation. Or the woke ideology where the subjective must always be allowed to override the objective: the truth is personal. But there is a cost in all of this.

In particular what contributes to the crisis of meaning (and an example of same):

An actual experience <versus> its explanation

This schism is rampant too and everywhere. Say you have an experience; it doesn’t matter what. A visual one, tactile, a stream of conceptual thought, a stomach ache.

It is inevitable that the moment you start to investigate such experiences in terms of for instance the neural correlates or interaction of the human body with its environment, you stop allowing for the experience to “just exist as-is” and appreciate it as such. The experience has to be picked apart and considered in a wider causal web. In that process, the experience is devaluated while its causal correlates get inflated. Like a value transfer; taxes payed by the subjective individual to the objective state.

The deflation of experience and inflation of causal correlates can get so far stretched apart, that one has to conclude that: “conscious experience is illusory, only causal correlates in the physical world are real”. Which is typically how Objectivist Psychosis expresses itself. Annaka H. and her husband take typical pride in claiming how they “not let themselves be fooled” by experience and instead rely on solid science and objective reality.

Of course there exists folk wisdom to counter this problem, like “when you pick apart a rose, it no longer is a rose”. This seems to me a rock-solid truth. Which is not a reason not to pick apart roses, just to only do so when you really have to. As when you need to kill to eat, or investigate corpses after crimes committed. But in all other cases.. don’t kill the baby even before you throw it away with the bath tub water. Just don’t unless you really have to.

Once you start to analyze the world and translate it into causal constituents, where everything is not “what it appears to be” and basically “the result of other things", reality as you experience it to be devalues to near-zero.

Let’s say this sense of devaluation is real and making you feel depressed. How do we reflexively think about this low feeling? Probably we start to think in terms of its potential causes, wondering if maybe our dopamine level is too low. Maybe watch some more Jordan Peterson videos, since he has this incredible talent to pick things apart in so many ways on so many levels and so eloquently, that indeed things start to make some sense again. But the rose under JBP’s investigative eyes has been completely transformed in a collection of otherly and mostly dead body parts. Some serious amount of amputation is going on there. A funeral of sorts.
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Sharp observation on JBP, and notable that observation is neither explanation nor experience.

Unpacking [experience→explanation] we find [[experience→[observation→insight→description]→comparison→explanation]]

[observation→insight→description] is the artistic domain. Better visualized as a cyclical process where verbalizing insight can lead back to new observations.

Comparison is where the artistic inspiration is bludgeoned to death by pattern recognition, and the unavoidable disparity between experience and explanation.
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Ghosts in machines for no particular reason

Explanation of experience using the standard model occurs where [conscious] experience is correlated with neural activity in the brain. Like when you have a visual experience of some tree over there in your garden. According to the standard model, this visual experience occurs when the visual brain in the back of your head is triggered via the input of the optical nerve into a specific pattern of firing neurons, which then also triggers via other pathways other parts of the brain resulting in the full experience, included the verbal subtitles in your head: "I see a tree over there with green leaves!"

The above neural correlates in their compound activity are considered in 101 science class high school level the actual explanation for those experiences. Those correlates are problematic however, because nothing in physical reality as we know it reveals the need or necessity of conscious experience to arise from those correlates in any brain. It is called the hard problem. Just a reminder.

So we have an explanation of conscious experience that is not really an explanation at all. I have a solution for this particular explanatory mess, but am used to it that people's eyes tend to glaze over when I try explain where the hard problem comes from, i.e. why it appears to be a problem. And what new type of questions beg for an answer once you start from there, at the dead-end of Hard Problem Street. Walking backwards out of it first, then take a different junction altogether.

As for the crisis of meaning: the above is relevant, because once you are trapped in this hypnotized Objectivist Psychotic state of mind, nothing makes real sense. No reason why your most real and primary proof of existence, your own experience, should exist. Again I refer to the hard problem.

The sense of being a ghost in a machine; a ghost with no real-causal connection to the machine it "inhabits". This ghost wondering why it is here to begin with and why I am not the self-aware ghost in another machine, such as your body instead of mine. Or the body of a street dog in 15th century Istanbul. (Which is of course still a possibility being true)

The feeling that being me is a random event. As if we are ghosts assigned to machines for no reason. As if my blank slate ghost-soul is thrown into the world, like a little ball going rounds in a casino wheel before it falls into the slot of both my parents who at that exact moment had intercourse, that particular sperm with that egg...Bingo! Here I come... too good to be true! A cosmic coincidence, as random as anything can be. Or was it...

Now one could go all re-incarnation on this, but that doesn't solve anything of course either. It makes things only worse and more complicated. Begging even more unanswerable questions.

It all seems to me much too unlikely and unreal, but the questions come naturally. Usually kids start to have these funny existentialist questions for which there doesn't seem to be a satisfying answer. They popped up in my head when I was 5, and I remember it clearly. A joyful and precious moment too. On a sunny summer day walking to secondary school, watching my own feet move over the pavement: "Hey! I am here! Thinking and knowing it...but why? I'm going to find out. I will remember this moment the rest of my life."
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I think perception is only part of experience. It’s particularly difficult to explain emotions using perception.
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Nonc Hilaire wrote: Sat Oct 22, 2022 12:31 am I think perception is only part of experience. It’s particularly difficult to explain emotions using perception.
Emotions seem not to care much about opinions or explanations by anyone. Rather autonomous and immune to differences like for real or just a movie on tv.
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Some meaningful sources

Braintenance: Scott Adams. Nice, slow paced, always some novel perspective offered. Greasing of basic cognitive functions. To reframe or not to reframe, for Scott that is not a question but a given.

Inspiration: Air Jordan Peterson. To have all things thoroughly picked apart and put on display for further analysis, before it ends up on the cosmic compost heap where it will ultimately, “in the final analysis”, be completely digested and used as fertilizer for new creation in the future. At least, “by any stretch of the imagination and in my estimation” this is certainly possible.
Cleaning up your room: some hoarders need professional help though. Especially when our heads are filled with expired garbage we just seem not able to get rid off. “Un-hoard my brain” (with the music of “unchain my heart”) might become a hit one day too.

Political pun: Greg Gutfeld. He proves it is possible to not get totally depressed by the woke mobs and the thoroughly corrupted, hypocrite democrat party and their msm corporate mouth pieces. Making fun of bullies and liars is allowed.

Keeping your blades sharp: Unherd and Reason. Calmly investigate before you operate a patient. Opinion can wait. Diagnosis and what works; they do matter. Be careful what you wish for. Things might be different still.

Sandbox OTNOT: the fun of creating and destroying.

Any other meaningful sources to recommend?
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Annaka Harris visits her Parents [1]

So Annaka goes to see Mother Nature. She might also pay a visit to Father God, but that depends on her mood after talking to Mom and if Dad wants to see her; he is still rather withdrawn. After too many insults he started losing interest and stopped caring. That's at least how he explained it.

His wife MN now claims he is "on the spectrum, like all men". That remark didn't help either. She also told him that his obsession with the Y-chromosome as the identifier of male identity and token for divine primacy will be over soon. Something Annaka is going to love of course when she hears this. A nice and well deserved stab at the Patriarchy. Women do sometimes need to conspire against male excesses of course. For an even playing field.

That's what Annaka loves so much about Sam: he doesn't want to dominate. He loves to surrender, mindfully and physically. During that Kamasutra workshop they discovered these things together. For her being in the driving seat was a new and exciting experience. It gave her the self-confidence she always craved for. To Sam, tending towards control-freakishness, obsessing about details and micro-managing himself, it was also a revelation that he could let go, relax, loosen his grip. Martial arts helps him control fear. A catalyst to go from paralysis to controlled action.

A: Hiiii how are you Mom?! Missed you! [Hugs]

MN: My love, I'm good and how about you?? Family ok? Kids, Sam?

A: Yeaaa... everybody is fine, in good health and happy.

MN: I heard you are all in with Sam on neuro-science, picking apart consciousness, philosophy and a healthy life style with mindful meditations. Taking animal welfare into consideration before you eat and deciding what you eat. Is it the life you hoped for?

A: Absolutely Mom! I'm still amazed and thankful how it all worked out.

MN: Well, that's all that really matters Annaka...

[The conversation just went on about all kinds of stuff, of general importance and daily concern]

MN: So, as for your professional work. You write and think a lot, you want to talk with me about some of those issues? Sam was in the past quite troubled by existential questions concerning consciousness, science, free will and such things. It seems he figured it all out to his own satisfaction. How is that for you?

A: Well, we just try to be honest with ourselves. We are cautious not to rely on conscious experience too much and always check with science what might actually be going on. Neuro-science in combination with psychology is such an exciting field of research!

MN: The truth is that truth doesn't matter. I understand the scientific endeavor and your hunger to understand, finding truth, making sense. But I can show you why the ultimate truth is irrelevant. More important is what you believe to be true and what that does for you, your loved ones, society as a whole. Which includes if it helps bring food on the table. The whole spectrum.

I didn't want to say it to Sam, because I was afraid he couldn't take it. Yes, there exists absolute truth but everything you believe about it is false necessarily. It doesn't matter whether your knowledge is derived from solid empirical science, supported by successful engineering, coherent deduction and sound reasoning. It is all lies, but it doesn't matter.

A: Umpfff Mom... wtf are you saying there. Didn't expect that. Makes no sense!

- to be continued
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Parodite wrote: Sat Oct 22, 2022 2:17 am
Nonc Hilaire wrote: Sat Oct 22, 2022 12:31 am I think perception is only part of experience. It’s particularly difficult to explain emotions using perception.
Emotions seem not to care much about opinions or explanations by anyone. Rather autonomous and immune to differences like for real or just a movie on tv.
That’s because emotions are motivators. They are internal drive states that interpret sensory input into opinions or explanations.

Emotions are a cause not an effect. This is why the same event causes different emotional expressions. Tears of joy, sardonic laughter - emotions are often at odds with the expressions they elicit.

When you speak of “crisis of meaning” you are describing a nebulous drive state. Theology handles this better intellectually than philosophy, but klonopin yanks it out by the roots.
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Nonc Hilaire wrote: Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:42 pm
Parodite wrote: Sat Oct 22, 2022 2:17 am
Nonc Hilaire wrote: Sat Oct 22, 2022 12:31 am I think perception is only part of experience. It’s particularly difficult to explain emotions using perception.
Emotions seem not to care much about opinions or explanations by anyone. Rather autonomous and immune to differences like for real or just a movie on tv.
That’s because emotions are motivators. They are internal drive states that interpret sensory input into opinions or explanations.

Emotions are a cause not an effect. This is why the same event causes different emotional expressions. Tears of joy, sardonic laughter - emotions are often at odds with the expressions they elicit.

When you speak of “crisis of meaning” you are describing a nebulous drive state. Theology handles this better intellectually than philosophy, but klonopin yanks it out by the roots.
For a moment I thought Klonopin was some Russian Orthodox maveric theologian who completely solved the crisis of meaning, or at least created a model of what a real solution would look like. After google informed me about the real klonopin I realized that maybe indeed a chemical solution is needed to solve the crisis. Also wondering if not psychopaths have the best deal in life with a much simpler value system.
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If my noodling about crisis of meaning as a drive state has legs, then we should be able to induce it by deprivation.

You withhold food and you induce hunger. That how it’s done scientifically. Not sure what to withhold though. Maybe Lex Fridman videos.
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Drive state: see what you mean. Sort of a sound board? Is your idea that fasting, deprivation of sensory input and hence leaving the sound board idle for a while is a good thing? The resulting crave recalibrating the instrument?

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Annaka Harris visits her Parents [2]

MN: I know. It’s a tough one..

A: You are saying all is lies and that the truth doesn’t matter. Mom… you sound like a drunk post-modernist!! As you know, saying “this is a lie” is problematic logically.

MN: It is not a word game Annaka. I’m just saying that the pursuit of “truth” and certainly the concept of “the truth” is a toxic lie. It pervades everything. “Telling the truth” is one of those cultural misnomers, a form of self-flagellation sold as a virtue. A complete negation of your reality.

A: Are you saying I’m a liar? That we all are liars?

MN: No, not at all. Just that you are trading in lies. Everybody does it. It is not a sin, just a fact, a tool to survive. There are fish who pretend to be part of a coral reef just to hide from predators or be able to attack prey who didn’t notice them in time. This principle is universal. “Dealing in truth” is not part of any equation. You just can’t. It’s not part of your toolbox, anyone’s toolbox. To survive is either to lie or hide the truth. To eat and being eaten grows on this principle. To peddle “the truth” is chasing a non-existent reality.

A: But it seems to me that intelligence drives nature. To be a good liar you also need to be pretty intelligent!

MN: Intelligence is another popular lie. It doesn’t exist. You think that the “intelligent” structure and function you see in the natural world came about because those organisms went to university doing PHDs on how-to and all that stuff? On a regular basis “decided to adapt” and change their physical properties and behaviors? Or that maybe your Father, with his IQ of 3400, put it all together when he suddenly felt like it when he was a bit bored? You should go ask him. You might be surprised to hear his answer! Intelligence didn’t create anything, nor did it drive evolution.

A: So what did drive evolution then if it wasn’t intelligence…..

MN: It doesn’t matter what you think drove it. It is all lies. You could instead of intelligence pick survival of the fittest + randomness. Add some juicy “entropy” to make it even more believable. Throw in more high-brow concepts to close the deal and believe you did it. Then engage in mindful mindlessness, chasing the illusion of “being in more direct contact with reality and overcoming the ego”. You are just hypnotizing yourself with more and more nonsense.

A: So you are saying it is useless to chase truth?? I find it all quite paralyzing…

MN: You have to chase… or you will die. But it will never be “truth” you are after, that’s all. Ask all other plants and animals.. they would tell you the same.

To be continued
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Parodite wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 10:08 am The Crave
It goes to defining Crisis of Meaning.

Is it a unique phenomena, or it only an intellectualization of something common? Perhaps generalized anxiety for the self-reflective?
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Nonc Hilaire wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:17 pm
Parodite wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 10:08 am The Crave
It goes to defining Crisis of Meaning.

Is it a unique phenomena, or it only an intellectualization of something common? Perhaps generalized anxiety for the self-reflective?
I would say it can be defined as wide or as narrow as you want, illustrated with real life examples. A crisis of meaning shifts more to the philosophical and religious methinks. Part of a crisis of survival could also entail a crisis of meaning, like "what's the point of living when there is war, famine, diseases, aging, traffic accidents, earth quakes, trsunamis etc.." A fight we never win in the end. A more nebulous form of living a life without goals, being depressed, socially atomized. When meaning is associated with direction.
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Annaka Harris visits her Parents [3]

A: Mom, it sounds like you say facts should be distrusted. Where does that leave us?

MN: On the contrary! Facts are not the problem. It is what is said, believed, claimed about those facts that is the source of trouble. Consider everything just fake news. There is only a difference in the levels of fakeness. Stories that keep you distracted.

A: But aren’t there good and bad journalists? Truthful stories or mere fiction and propaganda? There is a qualitative difference. Good science, good journalism and good courts of law create truthful narratives that are useful, right? To do engineering, do justice while keeping society safe, provide people with facts and context so they can make better decisions in life. Good education is also important.

MN: There are lies that are useful and less useful. A matter of degree and who benefits most. “Truth” is a concept that causes lots of trouble. For some truth is always subjective, for others it is inter-subjective, and then there are those who believe truth can only be objective as in science. Then there are those who believe the subjective and the objective cannot really be considered to be two different domains, and prefer facts and truth to be “sobjuctive”.

Then there are those who believe we can’t know or say anything meaningful about experience-independent reality, as opposed to those who believe science is the tool to make sense of it. That probably mathematics is the only language able to penetrate all barriers and holding true in all domains. That Father God is probably a math-genius. Well, you should ask him about that: his scores were actually quite poor. So that one certainly doesn’t fly…[scoffs]

Just look at this mess. It means that “truth”, certainly “the truth”, cannot be known. One could say “all truth is relative” but that is meaningless word-salad and a desperate attempt to save the dying patient. Or decide that “The Truth is the Unknown”, but that also is just reshuffling words and deck chairs on the Titanic. The confusion is so big, that even people like you are not aware of what you are doing, like equating or comparing conscious free will with observed brain process and then kill off one because of the other. Comparing apples and oranges, looking in the wrong places.

You want to understand why other people’s consciousness is invisible to you? Again think of the disguised fish in the coral reef, pretending not to be there. When somebody talks about truth and is trying to convince you, rest assured you will soon be dinner on somebody elses plate.

A: I find it hard to believe what you say is true Mom, given that you warn me against truth-tellers….

MN: For me what I say is true, for you it better be a lie. My truth is your trap.

[Annaka, starting to have doubts about the mental health of her mother, decided to go and visit her dad. Maybe he can make some sense of her.]

To be continued
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Parodite wrote: Wed Oct 26, 2022 1:08 pm
Nonc Hilaire wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:17 pm
Parodite wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 10:08 am The Crave
It goes to defining Crisis of Meaning.

Is it a unique phenomena, or it only an intellectualization of something common? Perhaps generalized anxiety for the self-reflective?
I would say it can be defined as wide or as narrow as you want, illustrated with real life examples. A crisis of meaning shifts more to the philosophical and religious methinks. Part of a crisis of survival could also entail a crisis of meaning, like "what's the point of living when there is war, famine, diseases, aging, traffic accidents, earth quakes, trsunamis etc.." A fight we never win in the end. A more nebulous form of living a life without goals, being depressed, socially atomized. When meaning is associated with direction.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessness
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Nonc Hilaire wrote: Wed Oct 26, 2022 3:45 pm
Parodite wrote: Wed Oct 26, 2022 1:08 pm
Nonc Hilaire wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:17 pm
Parodite wrote: Tue Oct 25, 2022 10:08 am The Crave
It goes to defining Crisis of Meaning.

Is it a unique phenomena, or it only an intellectualization of something common? Perhaps generalized anxiety for the self-reflective?
I would say it can be defined as wide or as narrow as you want, illustrated with real life examples. A crisis of meaning shifts more to the philosophical and religious methinks. Part of a crisis of survival could also entail a crisis of meaning, like "what's the point of living when there is war, famine, diseases, aging, traffic accidents, earth quakes, trsunamis etc.." A fight we never win in the end. A more nebulous form of living a life without goals, being depressed, socially atomized. When meaning is associated with direction.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessness
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Annaka Harris visits her Parents [4]

A: OK Mom. Thanks anyways for your advice and care!

MN: Always welcome Annaka. Don't worry too much about what I said. It's just that I see how much pain the concept of "truth" has caused to you. And for thousands of years already!

It is all part of that big sugarcoated wonder-world called Utopia. The peddled "truth" is a one-way ticket to Hell however. A marketplace where solutions for non-existing problems are traded for your soul, safe-spaces erected to protect the orphaned youngsters from their imaginary pains and anxieties. Lonely cells of self-mutilation, just to feel something in a numb world.

The truth will never set you free, it just leaves a scorched earth behind. You would evaporate. Remember, I'm your Mother and know what you need!

A: I understand and hear you Mom. I'll say hi to Dad now, ages since I saw him. He is still in his study writing holy books?

MN: No, he made himself a nice man-cave bunker. It's right behind the study, a shutter with sign Enter At Your Own Peril. You need to knock hard and scream loud. Tell him not to forget the appointment with the dentist tomorrow at 01:30 pm! And send my love to Sam and the kids...

[Annaka, although quite baffled by the sermon of her mother, had to smile. Such a remarkable woman her mother is! Completely mad, completely loving and beyond eccentric. Out of whack! She wondered if her Dad would also be out of sync like her mom. It would not be the first time she noticed that both her parents are out of sync simultaneously.]
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Annaka Harris visits her Parents [5]

[Annaka went outside, walking through the garden to the study. Looking around, letting her childhood memories come back. She could smell, hear, taste those days again! The feeling of ineffible beauty and energy, of mystery and promise. Everything inside and outside of her the same song, colors and shapes flowing freely. Her little brother and big sister, always around.

Passing by her dads study, around the corner, she indeed saw the cave. Curious and excited to see him again, she found the shutter slightly open. So she just banged on it, yelling: "Dad, it's me, Annaka!"]

A: Dad... you there?? Hellooooooho!!

[No reply. She heard muffled noises coming from inside, so she tried again. Still no answer. So she decided to go in. Going down the stairs she heard two male voices softly talking but also clearly agitated and in disagreement. Then she noticed all was a mess, like burgled. Down in the central room there were indeed two men, looking back at her bewildered. One of them quickly turned off a bright torch, as if to not get caught in the action. One had messy hair and a huge moustache, wearing an oversized jacket and jeans in old black, identified as burgler-1 (B1). The other looked better trimmed in a more stylish and modern outfit, identified as burgler-2 (B2)]

A: Who the hell are you?? What the F are you doing here? And where is my father??!

B2: Sorry for the mess, it's not what you think! We can explain...

B1: Entschuldigung Fraulein, we were just very worried, verstehen Sie?

A: What the Hell... explain yourself please! In the mean time I'll call the police. In this area it is not defunded yet, so rest assured they will arrive very fast and armed!

B2: We just heard your Father was not doing well, so we thought it was of extreme importance to go and take a look, if he is still okay. Maybe we could help! That's because his death would be a disaster, not only for his family but for the world as a whole... We came in but could not find him, so we just looked everywhere in this cave. Nothing! We turned everything upside down to find him... sorry for the mess.

B1: Jah, genau so. Er ist nicht mehr hier! He disappeared... we fear the worst!

B2: From good sources we suspect he died. I'm so sorry to tell you this Annaka. My friend Friedrich here doesn't want to accept it yet. But he is from Germany you know... a very stubborn knucklehead! But also a genius...

B1: Aber Jordan, you can't be sure. There is no body found yet! Canadians.. always dreaming so fast, viel zu schnell! Grundlich muss man sein, under all circumstances. That God is missing doesn't mean he is dead!

[Panic took hold of Annaka. These two burglars looked crazy, she didn't trust them at all. Maybe they just killed her dad and disposed of his body! Her stomach emptied and with a deep cry she ran back, upstairs, through the garden to her mother who stood already crying in the doorway]

MN: I know Annaka... Your father died, I'm sooo sorry...... I saw his Logos, Ein sof | אֵין סוֹף , ashes carried away by the winds. It will one day rain divine confetti, all his words, phrases remembered and not remembered, completely garbled and randomly preserved in new fertile sediments. People will dig for them and sometimes believe they found some.


Epilogue

After two weeks of ceremonies and mourning, life resumed also for Annaka and her family. Sam was initially emersed in a stoic sort of silence, where it was hard to tell what his thoughts and feelings were. But he cleared up completely and seemed in a better mood than ever before. Nobody really understood why. For Sam reason became much less important and “truth” was never served without an appropriate chunk of salt. Mother Nature was of course very happy with all that.

Jordan Peterson gave up on his career as a stand-up philosopher and became a stand-up comedian instead. When asked why the change, Jordan said life was just too short. He made less money cracking jokes, but it was worth it and did a better job at closing his dopamine loops.

Friedrich Nietzsche’s speech at the funeral was very short and a bit surprising, sounding like a revelation of sorts:

“There is more wisdom in your body than in your deepest philosophy.”
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Parodite wrote: Sat Oct 22, 2022 2:24 am Some meaningful sources

Braintenance: Scott Adams. Nice, slow paced, always some novel perspective offered. Greasing of basic cognitive functions. To reframe or not to reframe, for Scott that is not a question but a given.

Inspiration: Air Jordan Peterson. To have all things thoroughly picked apart and put on display for further analysis, before it ends up on the cosmic compost heap where it will ultimately, “in the final analysis”, be completely digested and used as fertilizer for new creation in the future. At least, “by any stretch of the imagination and in my estimation” this is certainly possible.
Cleaning up your room: some hoarders need professional help though. Especially when our heads are filled with expired garbage we just seem not able to get rid off. “Un-hoard my brain” (with the music of “unchain my heart”) might become a hit one day too.

Political pun: Greg Gutfeld. He proves it is possible to not get totally depressed by the woke mobs and the thoroughly corrupted, hypocrite democrat party and their msm corporate mouth pieces. Making fun of bullies and liars is allowed.

Keeping your blades sharp: Unherd and Reason. Calmly investigate before you operate a patient. Opinion can wait. Diagnosis and what works; they do matter. Be careful what you wish for. Things might be different still.

Sandbox OTNOT: the fun of creating and destroying.

Any other meaningful sources to recommend?
Hey the good news is that the Big Rip probably isn't going to happen !!

About 4 minutes in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNTZ6Cvil0Y

hNTZ6Cvil0Y
So heat death it is !! So much better than your body being ripped apart at the sub atomic level in some hundreds of billions of years.

Otherwise on Youtube
HA Goodman if you can handle his style
TImcast
Wearechange
Peakprosperity
Steven Van Metre https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=vanmetre
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Thanks. The incredible Webb...

HA Goodman I know, usually can't stomach it longer than few minutes :P
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Individual identity versus Group identity

Kanye West on the Lex Fridman podcast explained how Jews caused him major problems and that blacks are also Jews.

So Kanye, also being a Jew, got f*cked by other Jews. More precisely, a black Jew got screwed over by white Jews. His observation that many black Jews are abused by white Jews. That white Jews are top-dogs in major league industries like entertainment, sports, academics, the financial industry. They maybe not pull all the strings, but proportionally they dominate. They are also overrepresented in winning Nobel prizes. All as a matter of fact. That annoys.

We might then as well eliminate the Jewish property from the equations since they consequently appear on all sides, which leaves us with black-versus-white again. White dominates and abuses black, like in the old days. White wins, black loses. Black does win in athletic sports and makes good prize money in entertainment and music, but is managed predominantly by white people, uh “white Jews” to be precise. White brains with black muscle; the winning format. That humiliation of course needs to be avenged and corrected.

Lex Fridman desperately tried to point to individuals doing what they do and that group identity is irrelevant when it comes to accountability. That terrible things happen when hatred is directed at groups. That what MLK said was right; people should not be judged by the color of their skin but by their character and behavior.

But Kanye held firm. Nope! And Lex Fridman can also not be trusted…. according to Ye.

What’s going on? Bipolar stuff explains, but then maybe only in terms of style and how it was packaged. What Ye channeled, albeit through his bipolar sound processors, was perhaps an overlooked truth: no matter how much we correctly emphasize individual responsibility and accountability, group-identity is as important and natural. In that sense we are all “Jews”: individuals organically tied to ethnic groupings. To demonize group-identity, pretend it doesn’t exist, downplay its biological force in society, politics, economy. For the law we may be individuals, in reality we do team sports. Jews never let go of their group-ID, which might explain some of their successes.

Add the woke psychosis where we can now self-identify into new group IDs. Biological black male who identifies as a white female Jew converting to Islam wanting to be adressed as a "Shaymele", why not? Or a pink unicorn...
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Kanye is being handled and attacking the iron dome of the antisemitism industry.

Yelling “Rich jews control the world!” and then getting publicly cancelled by rich jews from around the world is not simply one manic schvartze.

Kanye calling Planned Parenthood the black holocaust wasn’t random either. That was a gut punch, and a bit too on point to have been just a clever rapper riposte.

Is Kanye West the ADL’s tar baby?
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Nonc Hilaire wrote: Fri Oct 28, 2022 5:43 pm Kanye is being handled and attacking the iron dome of the antisemitism industry.

Yelling “Rich jews control the world!” and then getting publicly cancelled by rich jews from around the world is not simply one manic schvartze.
I don't know if rich Jews cancelled him. I wasn't at the Adidas meeting, no idea who were there and how the decision came about.
Kanye calling Planned Parenthood the black holocaust wasn’t random either. That was a gut punch, and a bit too on point to have been just a clever rapper riposte.
It seems to me a widely shared opinion that abortion is murder. To prove a conspiracy where whites (Jews?) are driving the abortion of black fetuses takes more than suggesting it.
Is Kanye West the ADL’s tar baby?
More than one thing can be true at the same time. That's the problem with complexity.

Aside, I think that organisations who want to battle racism, antisemtism whatever.. better be professional sharpshooting snipers who are so precise and trained that they always bring home clearcut kill. ADL seemes to me doing a rather poor job and almost reflexively fingerpoint even at a small suspect fart. BLM is even worse, trading in smoke screens and performing paranoid trigger happy massacres on anybody who happens to be around. And then wonder why hardly anybody takes them seriously anymore.

I have the privilge of not belonging to any of the PTSD inflicted groups like Jews or African Americans, so maybe I should just shut up. I'm not even a Christian with ambivalent sentiments towards Jews. ;)
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Kanye isn’t simply attacking da Joos. He is trolling the antiquated antisemitism industry into attacking itself.

The veracity of his statements is barely relevant. His immediate cancellation by so many companies was an in vivo demonstration of his claim.

The invoking of the holocaust vis a vis Planned Parenthood forces a discussion of what must not be discussed, which is the wholesale murder of infants for the cosmetics, biologics and longevity industries.
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