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Simple Minded wrote: Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:27 pm
noddy wrote: Tue Apr 27, 2021 12:42 pm we have batteries so that argument is less convincing..

solar is great for middle class people over here - they can abandon the socialist grid that subsidizes the poor and industry and just do their own private infrastructure that pays itself off in 5-10 years , provided you can pay cash up front to install it all.

all the battery and solar panel production is industry intensive so its doubtful how green it really is.
yep. I got the joke. Your last sentence nails it, while simultaneously repudiating your first sentence. It does feel good though.

Does your gubmint have to subsidize solar over there in order to make it marketable?

But if my Haagen-Dazs is melting, and my neighbor has a charged battery, and I have a set of jumper cables....... could be a new era in rebuilding neighborhood communities.....

"Hi neighbor! Are your batteries charged? Can I borrow 4.7 Kw for a couple hours until the wind comes up or the sun comes out? You're out too? No problem, I'll just fire up my diesel generator and charge my battiest!"

The fun part will be a couple years down the road when the new generation of greenies turn against the older greenies cause the windmills are disrupting weather patterns and the solar collectors are reducing the recharging of the Earth's thermal mass. All good religions have no endpoint.
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Simple Minded wrote: Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:27 pm
noddy wrote: Tue Apr 27, 2021 12:42 pm we have batteries so that argument is less convincing..

solar is great for middle class people over here - they can abandon the socialist grid that subsidizes the poor and industry and just do their own private infrastructure that pays itself off in 5-10 years , provided you can pay cash up front to install it all.

all the battery and solar panel production is industry intensive so its doubtful how green it really is.
yep. I got the joke. Your last sentence nails it, while simultaneously repudiating your first sentence. It does feel good though.

Does your gubmint have to subsidize solar over there in order to make it marketable?

But if my Haagen-Dazs is melting, and my neighbor has a charged battery, and I have a set of jumper cables....... could be a new era in rebuilding neighborhood communities.....

"Hi neighbor! Are your batteries charged? Can I borrow 4.7 Kw for a couple hours until the wind comes up or the sun comes out? You're out too? No problem, I'll just fire up my diesel generator and charge my battiest!"

The fun part will be a couple years down the road when the new generation of greenies turn against the older greenies cause the windmills are disrupting weather patterns and the solar collectors are reducing the recharging of the Earth's thermal mass. All good religions have no endpoint.
Solar is viable and easy in Australia, the arguments from the frozen hell holes in the north dont really apply to us.

my version of winter is 60F, their is maybe 2 weeks a year of days that the sun is obscured due to mid winter storms.

5-10 years of electricity bills worth of solar will purchase you 10-15 years of "free electricity" - no subsidies.

im in the area that its only 5 years worth of money for more than 10 years worth of zero bills.

the only argument against solar in australia is poor people and industry are subsidised by the socialist system.

my current house already has the panels and I get free power during the day, however the excess goes back on the grid and not into private batteries so im still paying small bills for running the lights and tv at night.
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Solar users getting paid by grid operators is a real headache for utilities. They may not want that power at that particular time but are forced to buy it, and at a premium in many cases. But the price premium isn't the biggest problem as many of us know. Using the grid as a surrogate "battery" forces the utility into doing things that are expensive, polluting, and just plain wrong from a pure engineering pov. Storage is going to be key moving forward. I wonder if people will accept radioactive batteries where they would not accept nuclear power plants...
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crashtech66 wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:16 pm Solar users getting paid by grid operators is a real headache for utilities. They may not want that power at that particular time but are forced to buy it, and at a premium in many cases. But the price premium isn't the biggest problem as many of us know. Using the grid as a surrogate "battery" forces the utility into doing things that are expensive, polluting, and just plain wrong from a pure engineering pov. Storage is going to be key moving forward. I wonder if people will accept radioactive batteries where they would not accept nuclear power plants...
Very well said. I posted a similar opinion many moons ago. Anyone who thinks forcing utilities to buy power from consumers with power generation equipment, will not force everybody to pay more for electricity, does not understand the technology.

Consumption is a variable, adding in the additional variable of unknown, unpredictable power coming on the grid sources massively complicates the process.
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solar on private houses only makes sense when its fully off the grid with batteries, they dont really pay much back for it anymore in my country and i get power failures when the grid goes down (regularly :/) because the lack of batteries means it has to shutdown for safety reasons.

still, most of the anti solar arguments only work for industrial use not household use, the sun is not unreliable or unpredictable, it comes up every day of the year quite consistently.

I like it because you can buy your way out of the socialized system with an upfront payment and then pay less bills for a decade or more, all the rest is just religious propaganda on both sides.
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obviously not all parts of the world are equal for recieving their fair share of sun - many of you need to start rallying against the unfair distribution of energy, its obviously racist against the northern parts of the world.
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From the map we could alleviate the intensity of the energy debate by forcing solar proponents in the Northern Hemisphere to move to the Sahara.

P.S. It's smart not to force utilities to buy power no matter what, though they ought to be able to offer a price premium during peak demand.
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noddy wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 3:46 am solar on private houses only makes sense when its fully off the grid with batteries, they dont really pay much back for it anymore in my country and i get power failures when the grid goes down (regularly :/) because the lack of batteries means it has to shutdown for safety reasons.

still, most of the anti solar arguments only work for industrial use not household use, the sun is not unreliable or unpredictable, it comes up every day of the year quite consistently.

I like it because you can buy your way out of the socialized system with an upfront payment and then pay less bills for a decade or more, all the rest is just religious propaganda on both sides.

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obviously not all parts of the world are equal for recieving their fair share of sun - many of you need to start rallying against the unfair distribution of energy, its obviously racist against the northern parts of the world.
YEAH!!!! Unfair distribution of global warming and Gaia Made Air Conditioning is ones of God's great macro aggressions! You guys pay less for heat, but more for AC and cold beer! Being able to grill roadkill on the pavement is only half a privilege! :D

The craziness starts when those with no knowledge of physics or economics force others to promote their religion/ideology.

I grew up near Rochester, NY. Try telling someone from that area that the sun is reliable! After they stop laughing, they'll tell you a few stories.

My bother recently "almost" sold some property up there to a company that was going to put up a solar farm. My response was "Are they f**king nuts? A solar farm in Monroe County? Oh yeah, tax breaks and govt subsidies. They'll probably make a ton of $ and never come close to producing enough power to pay for initial construction."

Life ruled by nature and physics is much more predictable.

You people with mega-solar and uncontrollable wild fire privelege need to start subsidizing the extremely white people living at the higher latitudes by giving away your excess BTU's!!!! ;)
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Simple Minded wrote: Tue Apr 27, 2021 4:07 am
noddy wrote: Tue Apr 27, 2021 1:29 am I have particularly enjoyed it moving from meaning "release of stored carbon" to "all carbon" - the former being a problem with focus, the latter being anything anytime anywhere for any reason.
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Zack Morris wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 7:51 pm
Simple Minded wrote: Tue Apr 27, 2021 4:07 am
noddy wrote: Tue Apr 27, 2021 1:29 am I have particularly enjoyed it moving from meaning "release of stored carbon" to "all carbon" - the former being a problem with focus, the latter being anything anytime anywhere for any reason.
For self-hating humans, there is only one Final Solution. Problem is no one wants to be a leader and go first!
Capitalism is doing a fine job as it is of reducing birth rates. Don't forget this forum exists directly as a consequence of the hand wringing over this.
If you are saying Capitalism is green in the long run, I agree. People go to great lengths to conserve their own resources. The resources of others, not so much.
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Much ado about nothing.

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Colonel Sun wrote: Mon May 03, 2021 5:09 pm Much ado about nothing.


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Mahattan Contrarian | New Scientific Scandal Shaking The Climate Alarm Industry

James Cook University in Australia is quite the generator of junk science.
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Colonel Sun wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 6:02 am Mahattan Contrarian | New Scientific Scandal Shaking The Climate Alarm Industry

James Cook University in Australia is quite the generator of junk science.
its in northern queensland, which is our version of florida.

famous for redneck men which are still 15 at 50, an army base and loony hippies.
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noddy wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 6:30 am
Colonel Sun wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 6:02 am Mahattan Contrarian | New Scientific Scandal Shaking The Climate Alarm Industry

James Cook University in Australia is quite the generator of junk science.
its in northern queensland, which is our version of florida.

famous for redneck men which are still 15 at 50, an army base and loony hippies.
Given the Uni's propensity for cooking up data and results, it is aptly named*.

*No disrespect to the explorer James Cook.
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Washington Post | An Obama scientist debunks the climate doom-mongers [possibly paywalled]

As "Z Man" writing for "Taki's Mag" observed, ". . . we can begin to understand why the American ruling class is going insane. The defining feature of this age is that the people in charge are certain about things that are imaginary."

Although I'm left wondering what exactly is an "Obama scientist".
Opinion by Marc A. Thiessen
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May 14, 2021 at 6:07 p.m. UTC

U.S. climate envoy John F. Kerry delivered a dire warning Wednesday on “the mounting costs ... of global warming and of a more volatile climate.” Last year’s tally of “22 hurricanes, floods, droughts and wildfires shattered the previous annual record of 16 such events, and that was set only four years ago,” Kerry told a congressional hearing. “You don’t have to be a scientist to begin to feel that we’re looking at a trend line.”

Kerry is right about one thing: He is not a scientist. So here are a few climate facts that Kerry failed to mention in his testimony, marshaled by one of the Obama administration’s top scientists, Steven E. Koonin. All are based on official assessments published by the U.S. government or United Nations:

“The warmest temperatures in the U.S. have not risen in the past fifty years,” Koonin writes, according to the U.S. government’s Climate Science Special Report.

“Humans have had no detectable impact on hurricanes over the past century,” according to the 2014 National Climate Assessment.

“Since the middle of the twentieth century, the number of significant tornadoes hasn’t changed much at all, but the strongest storms have become less frequent,” according to National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration data (NOAA).

“The rate of global sea-level rise 70 years ago was as large as what we observe today,” according to the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

Instead of droughts, “the past fifty years have been slightly wetter than average” in the United States, according to NOAA figures.
Rather than famine, “in the fifty years from 1961 to 2011, global yields of wheat, rice, and maize … each more than doubled,” according to the IPCC.

“The net economic impact of human-induced climate change will be minimal through at least the end of this century.”
These facts come from Koonin and his new book, “Unsettled: What Climate Science Tells Us, What It Doesn’t, and Why It Matters.”

When he shares such information, he writes, “most are incredulous. Some gasp. And some get downright hostile.” Koonin — a physicist who worked on alternative energy for BP and as undersecretary for science in Obama Energy Department — has dug through those U.N. and U.S. government reports to bring us some inconvenient truths. And he says the facts do not support the “doom mongering” of climate alarmists.

The globe is warming, he tells me in an interview, partly due to natural phenomena and partly due to growing human influences. (Scientists can’t untangle the two, he writes, due to “the deficiencies of climate data.”) But, Koonin argues, the terrifying predictions of increasingly violent weather and coastal cites drowned beneath rising seas are overblown.

So are the predictions of climate-induced economic devastation. Koonin explains that, if the U.S. economy grows at a 2 percent average annual rate, then absent any climate impact gross domestic product will rise from about $20 trillion today to about $80 trillion in 2090. If temperatures rise by 5 degrees Celsius over that same period, Koonin notes that, according to the 2018 National Climate Assessment, our growth would be 4 percent less 70 years from now. That means GDP would grow to about $77 trillion instead of $80 trillion. “We would be delayed in our growth by a couple of years,” he says.

The idea that we can stop climate change, Koonin argues, is delusional. “If we stop emitting CO2 today, it would still be there in the atmosphere for hundreds of years” he tells me. “If we manage to reduce emissions a little bit, it’ll just accumulate at a slower rate but it’ll still go up.” Even that is hard to do at an acceptable economic cost. During last year’s pandemic lockdowns, when much of the economy ground to a halt, our carbon emissions fell to about 21 percent below 2005 levels — which was less than halfway to the Biden’s administration’s 10-year goal.

Those most harmed by the draconian proposals of the climate extremists would be developing nations that produce the most emissions. People in these countries, he says, “need energy to improve their lot, and fossil fuels are right now the most reliable and convenient way of doing that.” Rather than forcing poor countries to participate in a futile and economically destructive effort to stop climate change, we need to help them adapt.

In fact, adaptation is the only choice we have, Koonin says. Climate change “will be gradual, and human ingenuity will certainly get us through this, if not allow us to prosper.” Indeed, Koonin notes there are advantages to a changing climate, such as the greening of the planet through increased vegetation, which he believes will dramatically increase the food supply for the world’s population. “So, this is not at all an unmitigated disaster as people would have you believe,” he says. “We’ll learn to take advantage of whatever changes happen rather than simply tolerate them. That’s what humans do, and we’re pretty good at it.”

Mankind has adapted to climate change before, and we’ll do it again — the doomsaying of the climate alarmists notwithstanding.
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Colonel Sun wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 7:41 pm Washington Post | An Obama scientist debunks the climate doom-mongers [possibly paywalled]

As "Z Man" writing for "Taki's Mag" observed, ". . . we can begin to understand why the American ruling class is going insane. The defining feature of this age is that the people in charge are certain about things that are imaginary."

Although I'm left wondering what exactly is an "Obama scientist".
A "Six String Theory Physicist" with a couple broken guitar strings?
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First time that I have listened to Miss Thunberg speak.
As opposed to reading a transcript of her speeches.
Sadly gives one the impression of a very disturbed young girl.

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Colonel Sun wrote: Sat May 29, 2021 2:49 am First time that I have listened to Miss Thunberg speak.
As opposed to reading a transcript of her speeches.
Sadly gives one the impression of a very disturbed young girl.

https://rumble.com/vhoz5l-australian-ne ... nberg.html
You never listened to her before?
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Yes disturbed to say the least. My impression is it seems to be rather creepy

When I was in High School for some reason BF SKINNER'S daughter came to my psychology class and gave a talk. She was very remote to say the least. Listening to Thunberg reminds me of that talk. After everyone in the class agreed that she was kind of strange. Irregardless of whether, or not, she was put in an Air Crib as a baby.

Seems kind of odd that Skinner stated he invented it for his wife to use for his daughter and that it was not used But he promoted it anyway.

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Air crib (AKA Skinner box)

The air crib is an easily cleaned, temperature- and humidity-controlled box-bed intended to replace the standard infant crib.[42] Skinner invented the device to help his wife cope with the day-to-day tasks of child rearing. It was designed to make early childcare simpler (by reducing laundry, diaper rash, cradle cap, etc.), while allowing the baby to be more mobile and comfortable, and less prone to cry. Reportedly it had some success in these goals.[43]

The air crib was a controversial invention. It was popularly mischaracterized as a cruel pen, and it was often compared to Skinner's operant conditioning chamber (aka the 'Skinner Box'). This association with laboratory animal experimentation discouraged its commercial success, though several companies attempted production.[43][44]

In 2004 therapist Lauren Slater repeated unfounded rumors that Skinner had used his baby daughter in some of his experiments, and that she had subsequently committed suicide.[45] His outraged daughter publicly accused Slater of giving new life to old lies about her and her father and of inventing new ones, and faulted her not making a good-faith effort to check her facts before publishing.[46]
Note that the last bit is not necessarily a denial that she was put in an air crib as a baby. Skinner may not have seen that as an experiment

Too be fair, Thunberg I think I read that she has aspergers syndrome. Which might explain her speaking style.
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Colonel Sun wrote: Sat May 29, 2021 2:49 am First time that I have listened to Miss Thunberg speak.
As opposed to reading a transcript of her speeches.
Sadly gives one the impression of a very disturbed young girl.

https://rumble.com/vhoz5l-australian-ne ... nberg.html
Sad but true. I would have no problem with a public flogging of both her parents for A. screwing this kid up royally and B. parading her around like a deformed/retarded child in a circus freak show.

the fact that the UN invited her to speak publicly makes a good argument for massively cutting the UN budget. as others have said, if the UN exists to solve problems, why isn't it headquartered in some third world cesspool?
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Simple Minded wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:18 pm
Colonel Sun wrote: Sat May 29, 2021 2:49 am First time that I have listened to Miss Thunberg speak.
As opposed to reading a transcript of her speeches.
Sadly gives one the impression of a very disturbed young girl.

https://rumble.com/vhoz5l-australian-ne ... nberg.html
Sad but true. I would have no problem with a public flogging of both her parents for A. screwing this kid up royally and B. parading her around like a deformed/retarded child in a circus freak show.

the fact that the UN invited her to speak publicly makes a good argument for massively cutting the UN budget. as others have said, if the UN exists to solve problems, why isn't it headquartered in some third world cesspool?
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WUWT | Global Warming 33 Year Birthday a Celebration of Failures

Standard sign of a cult: predictions that fail are not only ignored, but the true believers move the goalposts and repeat their failed predictions.
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Dr. Judith Curry | 5 minutes
How would you explain the complexity and uncertainty surrounding climate change plus how we should respond (particularly with regards to CO2 emissions) in five minutes?

Last week I served on a panel for a summer school in Canada for engineering students. They are working on the energy transition, and their Professor wanted them to be exposed to the debate surrounding all this, and to think critically. I was the only climate scientist on the panel, the others were involved in renewable energy. Each panelist was given 5 minutes to make their main points. The essay below is what i came up with. 5 minutes is longer than an elevator speech, but it is still pretty short.
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