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The last Hurrah of the IPCC? Will it even exist in 5 years?

At least at a first glance the new IPCC report makes stuff up out of whole cloth I mean should the human race change everything it is doing because "scientists" have concluded that Italian mountain goats are "Shrinking because of man made* global warming"?

Really?

*This site defines climate change as man made.

http://www.takepart.com/article/2014/11 ... ate-change
The U.N. Just Released Its Final Report on Climate Change—and It’s Terrifying
The IPCC says we need to stop burning fossil fuels by 2100.

November 02, 2014 By Kristina Bravo
Kristina Bravo is Assistant Editor at TakePart.


Science has spoken: Fossil fuels should be phased out by the end of the century.

The United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change on Sunday released the final installment of its four-part assessment, published over the past 13 months. The report, which draws on the analysis of 800 scientists, will serve as a guideline for government officials to come up with a global treaty on climate by 2015.
Climate Change Is Shrinking Italian Mountain Goats

According to the grim conclusion, the planet will face “severe, pervasive and irreversible” damage if we don’t switch to zero- and low-carbon sources of electricity by 2100. Humans and ecosystems could suffer unprecedented losses from more severe and frequent weather events.

What can we do? The report suggests that we grow our use of renewable energy from its current 30 percent share of the power sector to 80 percent by 2050. Combined with technological and structural change, “behavior, lifestyle and culture” could have a considerable impact.

“We have the means to limit climate change,” IPCC chairman Rajendra Pachauri said at the launch of the report in Copenhagen. “All we need is the will to change, which we trust will be motivated by knowledge and an understanding of the science of climate change.”

In the United States, President Obama has pledged to battle climate change and has proposed cutting carbon emissions from power plants by 30 percent by 2013. But the results of the midterm election could hamper similar efforts. The GOP, notorious for challenging climate science, is expected to take control of the Senate.

“If Republicans take back the Senate, I don’t see there being a lot of willingness to allow the administration to cede any authority to the U.N. on climate policies or elsewhere, and I don’t really think that kind of a position will hurt us politically going into 2016,” a Senate GOP aide told the Washington Examiner.

Secretary of State John F. Kerry, in his comment on the IPCC’s report, said that government officials need to act beyond politics.

“We can’t prevent a large-scale disaster if we don’t heed this kind of hard science,” he said in a statement. “The longer we are stuck in a debate over ideology and politics, the more the costs of inaction grow and grow. Those who choose to ignore or dispute the science so clearly laid out in this report do so at great risk for all of us and for our kids and grandkids.”
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Typhoon wrote:Image

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:lol:

the other day, a friend and I were discussing the similarities between AGW and religion.

- A temperature rise that is imperceptible by human senses, over a period of time that is greater than a human lifespan, requires faith in the information provided by the specially trained/chosen elites. Yet, a hot day, a unseasonal snowstorm, a drought, a rainstorm, all are single data points denoting the existence of the AGW god.

- Everyone exhaling CO2, a greenhouse gas that cause global warming, is similar to original sin. You're breathing? You're part of the problem.

- Anteing up now (buying dispensations) will ensure a better after life. Not anteing up is certain doom!

- Since it is logically impossible to prove a negative, those attempting to disprove the existence of AGW face the same criticism as those who attempt to disprove the existence of any god.

Religion for atheists! Now that's consideration for all.
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I think that the IPCC got it's marketing strategy from the National Lampoon:

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Typhoon wrote:I think that the IPCC got it's marketing strategy from the National Lampoon:

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More like this CS

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But Enough About the Planet, Let's Talk About Me...

by Mark Steyn
November 3, 2014

I've been off the Big Climate beat out promoting my new book this last fortnight, so when this came wafting into my in-box the other day I read it carefully three or four times just to be certain it wasn't an ingenious parody:


Climate Depression Is For Real. Just Ask A Scientist.

By "climate depression", they don't mean a low-pressure system off Labrador. Rather, the massed ranks of climate scientists are depressed because nobody's listening to them - well, nobody except President Obama, the Prince of Wales, the European Union, John Kerry, Leonardo DiCaprio, Jessica Alba, etc. Reporter Madeleine Thomas lays out the grim toll "climate depression" can take:


Two years ago, Camille Parmesan, a professor at Plymouth University and the University of Texas at Austin, became so "professionally depressed" that she questioned abandoning her research in climate change entirely.

Parmesan has a pretty serious stake in the field. In 2007, she shared a Nobel Peace Prize with Al Gore for her work as a lead author of th...

Whoa, whoa, hold up there. Professor Parmesan shared a Nobel Peace Prize with Al Gore? Who knew? Certainly not the Nobel Institute in Oslo nor the King of Norway. Be that as it may, Ms Thomas continues:


In 2009, The Atlantic named her one of 27 "Brave Thinkers" for her work on the impacts of climate change on species around the globe. Barack Obama and Mark Zuckerberg were also on the list.

Despite the accolades, she was fed up. "I felt like here was this huge signal I was finding and no one was paying attention to it," Parmesan says. "I was really thinking, 'Why am I doing this?'" She ultimately packed up her life here in the States and moved to her husband's native United Kingdom.

"Native United Kingdom"? Her climate depression was so severe she was reduced to moving to Britain? Good grief. But it could have been worse:


From depression to substance abuse to suicide and post-traumatic stress disorder, growing bodies of research in the relatively new field of psychology of global warming suggest...

Wait a minute. The "psychology of global warming" is a "field"? Why, yes:


For your everyday environmentalist, the emotional stress suffered by a rapidly changing Earth can result in some pretty substantial anxieties.

For scientists like Parmesan on the front lines of trying to save the planet, the stakes can be that much higher... "I don't know of a single scientist that's not having an emotional reaction to what is being lost," Parmesan is quoted saying in the National Wildlife Federation's 2012 report, "The Psychological Effects of Global Warming on the United States: And Why the U.S. Mental Health Care System is Not Adequately Prepared."

Is there a name for what these afflicted climate scientists are suffering from?


Lise Van Susteren, a forensic psychiatrist based in Washington, D.C. — and co-author of the National Wildlife Federation's report — calls this emotional reaction "pre-traumatic stress disorder," a term she coined to describe the mental anguish that results from preparing for the worst, before it actually happens.

With all due respect to Dr Van Susteren, I don't believe she coined the term "pre-traumatic stress disorder". That coinage spread like wildfire five years ago as a befuddled media tried to explain why Major Nidal Hasan gunned down dozens of his comrades at Fort Hood. From November 2009, NPR's Tom Gjelten:


That's right, Steve. You know, you referred to the Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. There's - almost seems to be a phenomenon that you could maybe call a pre-traumatic stress disorder.

Indeed. I referenced the pre-Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder in my book After America (pp 168-169). If it seems mildly unsettling to find climate scientists claiming to be suffering from the same condition advanced for Major Hasan, don't worry: They're unlikely to wind up on a table firing wildly and yelling, "Allahu Akbar!" Instead, they're being urged to yell ...well, I'll let Brentin Mock spell it out:


"Forgive my language here, but if scientists are looking for a clearer language to express the urgency of climate change, there's no clearer word that expresses that urgency than genuflect," Mock writes. "We need scientists to speak more of these non-hard science truths, no matter how inconvenient or how dirty."

Climate scientists, don't let pre-traumatic climate depression ruin your life! Instead of being reduced to a pitiful husk emigrating to the United Kingdom like a jihad wannabe heading off to ISIS, stand on a street corner and roar "F*CK!" at passers by.

As I said, I initially worried that this might be a brilliant parody of Big Climate's terminal narcissism, but, if so, it's not the first. From The Sydney Morning Herald:


Nicole Thornton remembers the exact moment her curious case of depression became too real to ignore. It was five years ago and the environmental scientist – a trained biologist and ecologist – was writing a rather dry PhD on responsible household water use...

Thornton had always been easily upset by apathy towards, and denial of, environmental issues. But now she began to notice an oddly powerful personal reaction to "the small stuff" – like people littering, or neighbours chopping down an old tree.

She found herself suddenly and strongly enveloped by unfamiliar feelings of helplessness, hopelessness, anger and anxiety... "That's when I lost hope that we would survive as a species. It made me more susceptible to what I call 'climate depression'."

Dr Thornton has now formed a support group for fellow sufferers of climate depression. There's no awareness-raising ribbon, just an awareness-raising tree-ring you can wear round your neck like a millstone.

Susie Burke, of the Australian Psychological Society and Al Gore's Climate Reality Project, adds:


"We can be very sure that many people in the field of climate change are distressed – highly distressed – and it can have a significant psychosocial impact on their wellbeing," Burke said.

That's interesting to know. As part of his amended complaint against me, Nobel fantasist Michael E Mann accuses me of "intentional infliction of emotional distress":


98. As a result of the actions of defendants, including , inter alia, besmirching Dr. Mann's reputation and comparing him to a convicted child molester. Dr. Mann has experienced extreme emotional distress.

99. As a result of the actions of defendants, the chara cter and reputation of Dr. Mann were harmed, his standing and reputation among the community were impaired, he suffered financially, and he suffered mental anguish and personal humiliation.

But, according to Dr Burke and Dr Van Susteren, Michael E Mann works in a field so prone to "extreme emotional distress" and "mental anguish" it has its own condition, which is to the climatology departments of the developed world what Ebola is to Liberia. Who's to say he wasn't already suffering from Pre-Traumatic Climate-Depression Warming-Pause Disorder? We may have to have Dr Van Susteren examine Michael Mann in court...

By the way, the most revealing passage in that Sydney Morning Herald piece is this:


Six years ago, a dehydrated 17-year-old boy was brought into the Royal Children's Hospital, refusing to drink water. He believed having a drink would somehow contribute to the global shortage of potable water, and became the first diagnosed case of "climate change delusion".

This kid is the real victim of Mann and his Big Climate ideologues. There has been no global warming since the lad was in kindergarten, but the poor boy doesn't know that - and he's been so terrorized by the climate alarmists into believing that advanced western lifestyles are the cause of all the world's woes that he's terrified even to run the cold tap and have a glass of water. This kid is really a victim of child abuse. But that brings us back to Jerry Sandusky, and I wouldn't want to cause Michael E Mann anymore "emotional distress"...

I can understand why the disinclination of reasonable persons to listen to the likes of professors Parmesan and Mann might produce in them a bad case of "climate depression". One way to avoid that might be to cease passing oneself off as a Nobel Laureate when one is no such thing, and to cease demonizing those who disagree with Big Climate absolutism with cheap emotive sneers like "denier". In other words, try behaving like - what's the word? - scientists. Jo Nova:


If you have to resort to namecalling, and can't define your terms in English (who denies there is climate?), there's a message in that. You've picked the wrong career.

As Dr Judith Curry concludes:


Whining scientists aren't going to help either the science or their 'cause.'

~If you have the misfortune to be in Washington on November 25th, do swing by the DC Court of Appeals for oral arguments between Mann and my co-defendants. I'll be there as an amicus curiae, but in the cheap seats. I promise to autograph any copies of The [Un]documented Mark Steyn shoved under my nose - and don't forget, all profits from book sales and trial merchandise and gift certificates go to prop up my end of this interminable case.
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Why don't people listen to mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!?
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The saddest part about this AGWC crap is the real, fixable problems are being ignored or minimized. Air pollution kills warm people and cold people alike.


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Nonc Hilaire wrote:The saddest part about this AGWC crap is the real, fixable problems are being ignored or minimized. Air pollution kills warm people and cold people alike.


https://medium.com/vantage/living-and-d ... b1d299421f
Fly ash, the finest particles spewed out from smokestacks, comprises the bulk of power plant waste. It’s known to contain arsenic,

I was going to post this previously but I forgot about it:
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Arsenic in drinking water linked to 50 percent drop in breast cancer deaths
As part of the study, researchers at the Stanford Cancer Institute found that human breast cancer cells grown in lab cultures are killed by arsenic, and normal breast cells are more resistant to arsenic.

The medicinal use of arsenic is not entirely new. Arsenic trioxide was approved in 2000 by the Food and Drug Administration as an effective treatment for a rare type of leukemia.

So should arsenic now be used to treat breast cancer?

“Not yet,” said Smith. “We do not know if the treatment will work, but carefully designed clinical trials should take place as soon as possible based on this new evidence.”
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Vegans are killing the Planet !!


http://www.frontlinedesk.com/201411773- ... -change-2/
Crops Are One Of The Major Factor Contributing To Climate Change
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By Robert Anderson on November 23, 2014

The hotly debated issue ever — climate change has been on the cutting edge of both public plan and research. A recent study reports that expanding agriculture production has a remarkable part, mounting carbon dioxide swings, and conceivably contributing to climate change.

The study is published in the Nature journal. It was a joint effort by researchers from Boston University, the University of New Hampshire, the University of Michigan, the University of Minnesota, the University of Wisconsin-Madison and McGill University.

In the course of recent decades, agriculture has encountered an enormous move in crop production. We have essentially figured out how to create more crop for every section of land, making production more proficient. However, in contrast, it also creates the impression that an increase in crop production has likewise changed the environment of the planet, as yields ingest Co2 in the plant respiration process of photosynthesis, during the summer, and afterward release the Co2 they have stocked when they die in the winter. This presentation of winter Co2 influences the worldwide season changes.

The researchers found that the production of these crops has increased by 240% between 1961 and 2008 in the Northern Hemisphere. This rise equates to almost a billion metric tons of Co2 captured and released each year. Amusingly, farmland has expanded practically nothing, crop generation has expanded fundamentally in the most recent 50 years, on account of plant propagation, fertilization developments, and watering system. Cropland records of only 6% of the aggregate green vicinity in the Northern Hemisphere. Yet it is a “prevailing patron” to the half increment in the carbon dioxide regularity cycle.

The co-author of the study, Chris Kucharik, of UW-Madison said, “You get more bang for your buck, more crop per drop.”

Among all crops, corn assumes the greatest part in irritating worldwide temperatures, emulated by wheat, rice and soybeans. Researchers said these products assimilate and discharge a billion metric huge amounts of Co2 yearly.
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Nonc Hilaire wrote:The saddest part about this AGWC crap is the real, fixable problems are being ignored or minimized.
Air pollution kills warm people and cold people alike.

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Absolutely.

Bjorn Lomborg has made this point repeatedly and, as a result, been subject to vile vilification by the AGW faithful.

If someone shows up, claiming that "I'm from an NGO and I'm here to help you",
then they should be immediately subject to the local equivalent of the Huck Finn tar and feathering and running out of town on a rail.
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Typhoon wrote:
Nonc Hilaire wrote:The saddest part about this AGWC crap is the real, fixable problems are being ignored or minimized.
Air pollution kills warm people and cold people alike.

https://medium.com/vantage/living-and-d ... b1d299421f
Absolutely.

Bjorn Lomborg has made this point repeatedly and, as a result, been subject to vile vilification by the AGW faithful.
There should be a thumbs up emoticon.
If someone shows up, claiming that "I'm from an NGO and I'm here to help you",
then they should be immediately subject to the local equivalent of the Huck Finn tar and feathering and running out of town on a rail.
In the case of Ebola in West Africa the equvilent of that has happen when Medical NGOs show up. :(
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sad but true.

"global warming" is but the symbol for all sorts of issues to rally around, thats why its so emotional.
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Of course, one of the biggest challenges for climate change activists is to convince developing countries in the southern hemisphere that they should not aspire to enjoy the same material comforts — cars, airplanes, air conditioning, et al — that have enlarged the carbon footprint of wealthier nations.

This is a delicate moral argument to make. It looks especially hollow coming from activists who are willing to break your laws and stomp all over one of your most sacred places because they think they walk on higher ground.
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Damage done by Green Peace activists is rather sever
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California will need a mind-boggling 11 trillion gallons of water to replace what it has lost so far from its ongoing drought, according to a new report from NASA.


"It takes years to get into a drought of this severity, and it will likely take many more big storms, and years, to crawl out of it," said. .

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The majority of the loss—about two-thirds of it—came from groundwater supplies in California's Central Valley, known partly for its crucial role in the state's multibillion-dollar agricultural sector.

Not much snow has fallen either. Snowpack in California's Sierra Nevada range in early 2014 was half of what scientists had estimated it would be, according to data released by NASA's Airborne Snow Observatory. This past year's snowpack numbers are among the worst since the late 1970s, when the state's population was half of what it is today.
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100 million people move to a desert during an abnormally wet period , over time the desert returns to normal, what happens next.
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noddy wrote:100 million people move to a desert during an abnormally wet period , over time the desert returns to normal, what happens next.
Bingo.
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Typhoon wrote:
noddy wrote:100 million people move to a desert during an abnormally wet period , over time the desert returns to normal, what happens next.
Bingo.
Yeah and they can't say they weren't warned

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Doc wrote:
Typhoon wrote:
noddy wrote:100 million people move to a desert during an abnormally wet period , over time the desert returns to normal, what happens next.
Bingo.
Yeah and they can't say they weren't warned

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doc, I have not heard that song in years. Knew every note & word just from reading the title. Thanks!

Absolutely prophetic!

Albert Hammond has a much better track record than most scientists, religious prophets, politicians, community leaders, and "experts."

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Water for Almonds in California Running Dry


SACRAMENTO — California’s almond orchards have been thriving over the past decade and now provide an $11 billion annual boost to the state economy. Covering 860,000 acres, they account for 80 percent of world production. But the growth coincides with another record development here — drought — and the extensive water needs of nut trees are posing a sharp challenge to state water policy.

Farmers in the area where almond production has been most consistent have relied on water from a federally controlled project that draws its supply largely from the Sacramento River. But that source is less reliable because of legal requirements that in a time of scarcity, waterways that nurture California salmon must also get available water flows.

Growers, some very wealthy, tried to get Congress to change those rules but failed. Also, new state groundwater legislation may eventually constrain farmers’ well drilling.

Almonds “have totally changed the game of water in California,” said Antonio Rossmann, a Berkeley lawyer specializing in water issues. “It’s hardened demand in the Central Valley.”

Farmers are planting almonds because, as permanent crops, they do not need to be replanted after every harvest. They have been steadily taking over from cotton and lettuce because they are more lucrative. “That’s the highest and best use of the land,” said Ryan Metzler, 45, who grows almonds near Fresno.

The problem is that not only do almonds and pistachios, another newly popular nut, need more water, but the farmers choosing permanent crops cannot fallow them in a dry year without losing years of investment.

Now the state is putting new controls on the groundwater that has gotten many farmers through the brutal drought — which still looms over the state, despite recent rains — and there is no certainty that the future of almond and pistachio orchards in areas like the western San Joaquin Valley is secure.

So almond growers are determined to be granted the water they need to keep their crops from dying, particularly in the Westlands Water District in the San Joaquin Valley, where 15 percent of the fields are covered with almond trees, up from 5 percent about 15 years ago. They chafe at the rise in the 1990s of environmental restrictions designed to help the survival of salmon species threatened by two generations of water diversions.

“We’ve had 20 years of a regulatory approach that has not improved the fishery,” said Jason Peltier, the chief deputy general manager of the Westlands Water District, which serves some of the richest growers in the state. “The reality is that their regulatory methods have failed on every measure” of the health of salmon species. His hope for the next Congress is that “they will take a look at the social and economic damage that the regulatory environment has created”

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She added, “We have clearly exceeded the ability of our water supplies — including surface and groundwater — to meet the demands we’re putting on it. We have to change, stretching how much we can get out of each drop through expanded urban and agricultural efficiency.” But, she said, “the Republicans in Congress seem to want to go in the other direction and upend the centuries-old priorities and give water to more politically powerful wealthy interests.”

Almonds are thriving not just in the western San Joaquin Valley, but across the state. Dino Giacomazzi, a fourth-generation dairy farmer in Hanford, is changing the makeup of his land. About 40 percent of his acreage — currently used for pasture or for alfalfa and other crops to feed cows — is being converted to almond fields.

Almond trees are far more difficult to plant than field crops like alfalfa, Mr. Giacomazzi said. “It takes 40 guys a day to do 20 to 40 acres” of almonds. One man plus a tractor can plant 100 acres of alfalfa, he said. The diversity of agricultural efforts will make his business more secure, he believes. “The trees and dairy can support each other at different times,” he added.

A new almond farmer to the north is Shane Tucker, who is 54 and started out in the business of financing agricultural enterprises. Then, with an eye to raising his young children in the country, he decided to start farming in Davis in Yolo County.

He started with walnuts. About five years ago, he figured that water constraints would limit almond expansion in the drier San Joaquin Valley, and “prices were going to go up.” Northern almond growers, he believed, would have a leg up. He planted almonds in 2013; he expects his first crop next year.

Mr. Tucker predicted that “irrigated surface water is going to become less available” in areas south of the delta that lie just east of San Francisco Bay. “The economic impact on almonds is going to be significant,” he added.

Growers in the drier parts of the San Joaquin Valley use federal or state water projects that date to the mid-20th century. The drought forced these project managers to make draconian cutbacks in 2013 and 2014, prompting anger among growers, particularly those with almonds and pistachios.

“They do believe it’s their right to have access to water,” said Mr. Tucker. “Yeah, they are angry. Potentially their livelihoods are threatened.”

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Pope Francis and climate change

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Folks,

It is heartening to see the Holy Father's awareness of one of the most serious (if not the most serious) of problems facing humanity on Earth - climate change.

He says that there is a ...”clear, definitive and urgent ethical imperative to act.”

My question; will people listen to God's representative on Earth on such a crucial matter, or will issues of religion obscure the practicalities?

Alex.
Simple Minded

Re: Pope Francis and climate change

Post by Simple Minded »

Alex,

I thought we were all God's representatives here on Earth.....

What am I missing?

To date, the Catholic Church has a pretty horrendous batting average on matters scientific...... much better at promoting matters of "faith."

as Dirty Harry said "A mans got to know his limitations."
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