Issues of Race in the USA

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April Fools?

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City J | Mostly Peaceful Mayhem

Turning a blind eye to violence in Miami Beach, the New York Times previews its post-Floyd-trial coverage.

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April Fools?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheila_Dikshit caused many problems for western news readers.

cricket is full of them.

Quinton de Kock
Hardik Pandya
Niroshan Dickwella
Fakhar Zaman
Pat Cummins
Joe Root

and many many more, its a hobby for some people to come up with fantasy teams of just innuendos.

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The image/name is doctored but the article is real:

American Ruined My Name For Me

The author goes by Nyugen instead of "Bich" and we get blessed with a trillion-word essay biching about it.

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The image/name is doctored but the article is real:

American Ruined My Name For Me

The author goes by Nyugen instead of "Bich" and we get blessed with a trillion-word essay biching about it.

Well, I don't envy anyone with the surname "Manko" being in Japan. "Manko" being rude slang for the female genitalia.

And the common Italian toast "Cincin" sounds like the Japanese slang for penis.

Going the other way, offhand I can think of Fukuoka, Fukuyama, Fukui . . .

[Typhoon]

April Fools?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheila_Dikshit caused many problems for western news readers.

cricket is full of them.

Quinton de Kock
Hardik Pandya
Niroshan Dickwella
Fakhar Zaman
Pat Cummins
Joe Root

and many many more, its a hobby for some people to come up with fantasy teams of just innuendos.

Some raised this to an art form

Qe2K0VSIO0Q

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https://youtu.be/e_Acf2rxiwE

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The image/name is doctored but the article is real:

American Ruined My Name For Me

The author goes by Nyugen instead of "Bich" and we get blessed with a trillion-word essay biching about it.

Well, I don't envy anyone with the surname "Manko" being in Japan. "Manko" being rude slang for the female genitalia.

And the common Italian toast "Cincin" sounds like the Japanese slang for penis.

Going the other way, offhand I can think of Fukuoka, Fukuyama, Fukui . . .

The Vietnamese Phucc comes to mind.

[Typhoon]

https://youtu.be/e_Acf2rxiwE

Tip of the hat to the first fellow who was able to say "I've got an '. . . ' here" and was still able to maintain his composure.

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JAMA Editor Fired After Questioning Structural Racism

We have been discussing efforts to fire professors who voice dissenting views on various issues including an effort to oust a leading economist from the University of Chicago as well as a leading linguistics professor at Harvard and a literature professor at Penn. The cancel culture has also extended to museums, book publishers, and other forums for intellectual exchanges. Now the esteemed Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) has fired podcast host and deputy editor Dr. Edward Livingston, who raised his own concerns and doubts in a podcast over claims of structural racism.

While JAMA is supposedly independent from the American Medical Association (AMA), the AMA wrote in a statement that it was “deeply disturbed” and “angered” by the podcast and declared that “this tweet and podcast are inconsistent with the policies and views of AMA.”

The conservative site The Daily Wire has a copy of the since-deleted podcast. During the episode, Livingston reportedly asked Dr. Mitchell Katz the following question: “Given that racism is illegal, how can it be so embedded in society that it’s considered structural?”

Katz then explained how structural racism can manifest itself. Livingston then followed up by noting

“I feel like I’m being told I’m a racist in the modern era because of this whole thing about structural racism, but what you’re talking about, it isn’t so much racism as much as that there are populations, it’s more of a socioeconomic phenomenon, that have a hard time getting out of their place because of their environment. And it isn’t their race; it isn’t their color; it’s their socioeconomic status. It’s where they are.”

Katz appeared to agree with the socio-economic point.

There is much there to unpack and people of good faith can disagree with the socio-economic perspective. That is the point of such forums to allowing different viewpoints and a debate on issues facing society. I disagree with the comments and I would be interested in an exchange on the issue. There was a time when such controversial discussions were welcomed as a platform for discussion. This is not that time.

The podcast triggered the usual demands for termination and condemnation. Rather than simply present arguments against the socio-economic point, critics wanted Livingston fired. What is most disconcerting is that the loudest celebrating the termination were professors who rejoiced in the notion that someone can be fired for expressing an opposing viewpoint.

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Virginia Student Can Proceed With Lawsuit Over Panel Confrontation

A former University of Virginia medical student can proceed with a lawsuit against the school over his expulsion — which stemmed from questions he asked about the nuance of microaggressions during a panel discussion that led to him being branded a threat, a federal judge has ruled....

The trouble for Bhattacharya began in October 2018, when the then-second-year medical student attended a panel discussion on the subject of microaggressions. The term is defined by Merriam-Webster as “a comment or action that subtly and often unconsciously or unintentionally expresses a prejudiced attitude toward a member of a marginalized group (such as a racial minority).”

During a question-and-answer portion of the panel, Bhattacharya sought clarification on the definition of microaggression, asking the presenter, assistant dean Beverly Cowell Adams, if only marginalized groups were impacted by it, court records show.

Adams said it was a “very good question” and the answer is “no” and then Bhattacharya cut in and said her slide indicated victims of microaggressions must be members of marginalized groups.

“So that’s contradictory,” Bhattacharya said, according to court documents.

“What I had there is kind of the generalized definition. In fact, I extend it beyond that. As you see, I extend it to any marginalized group, and sometimes it’s not a marginalized group. There are examples that you would think maybe not fit, such as body size, height, [or] weight. And if that is how you would like to see me expand it, yes, indeed, that’s how I do,” Adams replied.

“Yeah, follow-up question. Exactly how do you define marginalized and who is a marginalized group? Where does that go? I mean, it seems extremely nonspecific,” Bhattacharya followed up.

Adams replied “that’s intention” and it’s “intentional to make it more nonspecific” while Bhattacharya continued to challenge her, essentially arguing that the definition and logic behind microaggressions were anecdotal and not backed up with hard, scientific data.
Another dean stepped in and told a story about how former peers and colleagues subjected her to “harmless jokes” and microaggressions related to stereotypes about people who come from rural states, like she did.

Later that day, assistant urology professor Nora Kern, who helped organize the panel and was in attendance, filed a “Professionalism Concern Card” against Bhattacharya, saying he “asked a series of questions that were quite antagonistic.”

“He pressed on and stated one faculty member was being contradictory. His level of frustration/anger seemed to escalate until another faculty member defused the situation by calling on another student for questions. I am shocked that a med student would show so little respect toward faculty members. It worries me how he will do on wards,” Kern wrote, court records show.

An assistant dean at the school then asked to meet with Bhattacharya, saying he observed his “discomfort” during the panel and wanted to help him “understand and be able to cope with unintended consequences of conversations.”

The student wrote back and said any perceived discomfort was false.

“I was quite happy that the panel gave me so much time to engage with them about the semantics regarding the comparison of microaggressions and barbs. I have no problems with anyone on the panel; I simply wanted to give them some basic challenges regarding the topic. And I understand that there is a wide range of acceptable interpretations on this. I would be happy to meet with you at your convenience to discuss this further,” the student replied.

While another dean asked to meet with Bhattacharya, the Academic Standards and Achievement Committee met to discuss the concern card and decided to send the student a letter to remind him to be respectful and professional and to suggest he get counseling.

However, that suggestion soon became a mandate, court records show.

Bhattacharya received an email in late November saying he must be evaluated by the school’s Counseling and Psychological Services Office before he could return to class.

When he asked what exactly he did wrong and under what authority the school could mandate that he be psychologically evaluated, he was invited to attend an ASAC meeting that was convened to discuss his enrollment status, court documents say.

At the hearing, which Bhattacharya claims he was only given three hours to prepare for, the student recorded audio and took photographs of the attendees and was criticized for doing so. He was told the reason for the hearing was because of recent concerning behaviors and interactions at the panel meeting and after.

The group voted to suspend Bhattacharya for “aggressive and inappropriate interactions in multiple situations” and about a month later, UVA police demanded he leave the campus for allegedly making threatening comments on social media platforms.

Bhattacharya later brought a suit against the school, alleging it violated his First Amendment rights, his 14th Amendment right to due process and conspired to interfere with his civil rights and injure him professionally. The school said Bhattacharya didn’t have a claim, calling the allegations “baseless,” and wrote in a brief that he was thrown out because he violated the school’s professionalism standards. A federal judge agreed with the school in part and dismissed every count except for the First Amendment violation, which he upheld, allowing the case to move forward.

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everytime i get involved in a race discussion in relation to america, I always end up confused.

we have *those* professional victim types here but they mostly dont get the traction amongst the general public.

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everytime i get involved in a race discussion in relation to america, I always end up confused.

we have *those* professional victim types here but they mostly dont get the traction amongst the general public.

oh, it's coming-- see that article Typhoon posted above-- we are exporting this stuff like crazy and its most effecting the English speaking world (for obvious reasons).

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another angle on this - what is attractive about white middle class culture as presented in the mediasphere right now - if it was a fresh off the boat immigrant, or a slave descendant, or some other "out group" .. what is it that makes me want to become part of it.

grumpy reactionary conservatives with a one eye rosy view of the 50's who constantly bang on about judeo christian superiority ?

loony lefties with a seeming obsession with genitals and change for changes sake ?

where is that solid, confident core that even creates a space for someone to want to be it, who represents it, what is that symbol.

This is very much a misleading dilemma.

Whether or not there is anything worth assimilating into is a smuggling operation.

Can the political order survive without the culture may or may not be an important question--- I don't know--- but it's in its own compartment down the hall from :

Who anointed the people in charge to water down citizenship and determine status by preferential mascot group?

It's not the guy off a boat doing that-- though the more cunning and less scrupulous are certainly learning to take advantage of that.

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right, its the progressive urban middle class, all of it.

always has been, has very little to do with immigrants or sub cultures or whatever.

if middle class whites dont like themselves, ive got not reasons to argue with them about it - ive never particularly liked them either.

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to be clear - ive always felt we are on a one way trip to becoming like the arabs or the greeks.

their is no escaping it or stoppping it, just getting yourself out of the way of the worst of it.

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Well, it makes no sense. It's idiotic.

But study after study shows this unbelievable sort of self-loathing with all this guilt and shame exploding around 2012.

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micro agressions and all that are perfectly in sync with the middle class passive aggresive world i know and hate.

their interest in subtle racisms and whatnot are all part of their massive interest in the world not treating THEM with as much respect as they feel they are due.

"if you arent a sensitive to my needs as my mum was, you are a nasty person"

what can you even say to those folks ?

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to be clear - ive always felt we are on a one way trip to becoming like the arabs or the greeks.

their is no escaping it or stoppping it, just getting yourself out of the way of the worst of it.

And that's okay too.

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once a civilisation hits that point its all about reflecting in your own greatness and entitlements, its arab time.

lots of pointing at great things other people did, a long time ago, and taking ownership for them, check.
lots of conspiracies and tribal groups fighting for control of a corrupt syustem, check.
lots of small details in correct religous (in this case progressive) form to be able to participate in public, check.

not far to go now.

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micro agressions and all that are perfectly in sync with the middle class passive aggresive world i know and hate.

their interest in subtle racisms and whatnot are all part of their massive interest in the world not treating THEM with as much respect as they feel they are due.

"if you arent a sensitive to my needs as my mum was, you are a nasty person"

what can you even say to those folks ?

A trillion dollar question.

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lots of pointing at great things other people did, a long time ago, and taking ownership for them, check.

When are people not doing this?

The whole Euro-system is built on a bunch of obsessives larping as classical antiquity.

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lots of pointing at great things other people did, a long time ago, and taking ownership for them, check.

When are people not doing this?

The whole Euro-system is built on a bunch of obsessives larping as classical antiquity.

well, america and australia used to be new world, laughing at the old world doing that.

we aint new anymore.

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Wait, when did America not do it? Publius helped found the Roman Republic and the American Republic, too.

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maybe that was our criminal anti elite streak that you lot only got in the mountain men