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I wish we could stop dicking around and just go to war with Iran, then with whoever is after that, and after that, and after that, etc etc until we wrap up our inevitable decline and fall period of imperial over stretch and make room for whatever successor grows out of our corpse. This aged suffering and waiting for death is interminable.
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Ah yes but the CEMIC knows that it cannot hasten to it's logical conclusion because similar to a virus it knows destruction of it's host will result in destruction of itself, perhaps once off-world existance becomes a plausible option the CEMIC virus will reach it's conclusion. Off world habitation means an end to all things associated with sustaining a CEMIC, no more elements of the 'Garden of Eden'.
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If we base predictions on what the US government/military has done since about 2007, it would be realistic to expect an air campaign against targets in Iran to just begin without any fanfare or announcement whatsoever.

The only problem is that Iran has at least enough of an air-defense system to make unprotected drones unusable.
US and Israeli planners are probably trying to figure out a way to conduct an air superiority campaign with the lowest profile possible. When they see this isn't really possible (CNN loves that ineffective AA fire in night vision) they won't do anything until Iran offers a really glaring diplomatic excuse.
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Ibrahim wrote:.

If we base predictions on what the US government/military has done since about 2007, it would be realistic to expect an air campaign against targets in Iran to just begin without any fanfare or announcement whatsoever.

The only problem is that Iran has at least enough of an air-defense system to make unprotected drones unusable.
US and Israeli planners are probably trying to figure out a way to conduct an air superiority campaign with the lowest profile possible. When they see this isn't really possible (CNN loves that ineffective AA fire in night vision) they won't do anything until Iran offers a really glaring diplomatic excuse.

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Military attacking Iran, a game changer for world politics

in that sense, if that decision is made in the west, America would attack Iran (and not Israel or anybody else)

and

military attack on Iran will not be the difficult part

difficult is what will follow after a western attack on Iran

that is what holding west away from attacking Iran

As said many times, Russia considers any western attack on Iran as attack on Russia (China same mindset)

So,

there will be no attack on Iran, unless west wants a war with Russia and China

my guess is

"West - Russia+China" will wage war in proxy states, already happening .. to weaken each other .. till one side is too weak to withstand the final blow .. that is still 15-30 yrs ahead

Question is, slow down China enough (Russia too), B4 West itself is too weakened

It all boils to economics

Western economy now shrinking .. Europe in turmoil .. both, American and European economy has "structural" problems, will shrink .. to iron out those things, West needs a generation .. during that ironing out, west has no economic power to pay for a war with Russia/China .. and .. in a generation, China is # 1 economic and military power in the world


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You're crazy if you think Russia is going to get into a shooting war with the US/Europe over Iran. Russia would hate it, and would retaliate, but not by getting into an open war. More likely it would do something like invade Georgia.
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Juggernaut Nihilism wrote:.

You're crazy if you think Russia is going to get into a shooting war with the US/Europe over Iran. Russia would hate it, and would retaliate, but not by getting into an open war. More likely it would do something like invade Georgia.

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Jugernaut

you misunderstand the whole thing

Russia will not get into war with US for Iran's sake

Iran is the buffer zone of Russia against West

West (Nato & US) sitting now in most Ex-USSR republics (Lithuania and another six Middle and Eastern Europe countries already part of NATO Alliance)

add to this American bases in Central Asia

add to this US bases in KavKaz

and and and

Russia is being encircled

to genuflect Russia

so

Iran is an important pillar in Russian stand against America/West

Invading Georgia will be done if West pulls a Libya on Syria .. if west gets into bombing war in Syria, Russia might overrun all Caucasian republics .. Georgia and Azerbaijan .. Russian military already training "openly" for this


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I understand why Iran is important to Russia. Russia will support Iran with arms and money, but not directly. As I said, it won't like the continued attempt to turn the Caspian into a NATO lake, but it will not be able to stop the US from destroying Iran. It will choose another battlefield, like Georgia, to push back the encirclement somewhere else.
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AzariLoveIran wrote:
Juggernaut Nihilism wrote:.

You're crazy if you think Russia is going to get into a shooting war with the US/Europe over Iran. Russia would hate it, and would retaliate, but not by getting into an open war. More likely it would do something like invade Georgia.

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Jugernaut

you misunderstand the whole thing

Russia will not get into war with US for Iran's sake

Iran is the buffer zone of Russia against West

West (Nato & US) sitting now in most Ex-USSR republics (Lithuania and another six Middle and Eastern Europe countries already part of NATO Alliance)

add to this American bases in Central Asia

add to this US bases in KavKaz

and and and

Russia is being encircled

to genuflect Russia

so

Iran is an important pillar in Russian stand against America/West

Invading Georgia will be done if West pulls a Libya on Syria .. if west gets into bombing war in Syria, Russia might overrun all Caucasian republics .. Georgia and Azerbaijan .. Russian military already training "openly" for this


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Thank You Very Much for Your Posts, Juggernaut and Azari.

FWIW, given this discussion there is an interesting post from a one post poster on the Spengler Board.......

http://spengler.atimes.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=18261
Georgia attacks

Postby Hothead » Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:28 pm
Hallo everyone! I represent indignant Turkish citizens. We are tired of constant threat from Kurdish separatists supported by Georgian special service. The last straw became explosion on the pipeline Bako-Tiflis-Arzarom on 29 May this year. We could watch that firework here in Sarikamiş. And all panes in my house are broken out and a giant red cloud covered our town. Now we are deprived gas. Border guards from Ardahan ili say that a large group of trespassers came from the Georgian territory just before this sabotage. They've even managed to catch three of them. One of them occurred to be Georgian and two were from PKK guerilla forces. The Georgian one was their military instructor. He had just to see them to the border but according his words he "was carried away by enthusiasm".
The problem is that our police never mentioned a word about that group. Georgians became so impudent that they are overseeing their wards to the places of future terror attacks. Every barber knows that Saakashvili himself controls such sabotage actions by order of the White House. But our authorities keep silence. They are afraid of mass protest actions against any relations with USA. But we aren't blind or deaf. Murder will out. Those Kurd diversions are supported by Georgian and American bastards. And soon common Turks will go to the streets claiming withdrawal our country from NATO at all.
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Juggernaut Nihilism wrote:.

I understand why Iran is important to Russia. Russia will support Iran with arms and money, but not directly. As I said, it won't like the continued attempt to turn the Caspian into a NATO lake, but it will not be able to stop the US from destroying Iran. It will choose another battlefield, like Georgia, to push back the encirclement somewhere else.

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Iran does not need Russian forces

What Iran needs from Russian is state of the art air defense and rocketry and and

If Iran gets from Russia the military gear Iran needs .. if so .. nobody in this world would attack Iran

If America attacks Iran .. Iran would level all Saudi Arabian Oil installation, same with Qatar, same with Kuwait, same with UAE and will bomb flat Israel (Israeli Generals said so), will bomb any American installations in Afghanistan, Iraq, Caucasus, central Asia .. and .. Iran said so officially, will bomb NATO (radar) bases in Turkey

result will be, Oil @ 300 $/b , India will be fucked (no Oil), China will be fucked (no oil), Baku-Turkey pipeline will be destroyed and and and

and ? ?

what will be benefit for West and America ? ?

Iran will, fast track nuclear bomb project

and than what ? ?

Only the almighty know what will follow

probably 10 million barrel of Oil per day will be cut

that will bring revolt in China, India, Europe

major economies will collapse

and

all this for what ? ? ?

West knows this, that's why nobody touching Iran



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AzariLoveIran wrote:
Juggernaut Nihilism wrote:.

I understand why Iran is important to Russia. Russia will support Iran with arms and money, but not directly. As I said, it won't like the continued attempt to turn the Caspian into a NATO lake, but it will not be able to stop the US from destroying Iran. It will choose another battlefield, like Georgia, to push back the encirclement somewhere else.

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Iran does not need Russian forces

What Iran needs from Russian is state of the art air defense and rocketry and and

If Iran gets from Russia the military gear Iran needs .. if so .. nobody in this world would attack Iran

If America attacks Iran .. Iran would level all Saudi Arabian Oil installation, same with Qatar, same with Kuwait, same with UAE and will bomb flat Israel (Israeli Generals said so), will bomb any American installations in Afghanistan, Iraq, Caucasus, central Asia .. and .. Iran said so officially, will bomb NATO (radar) bases in Turkey

result will be, Oil @ 300 $/b , India will be fucked (no Oil), China will be fucked (no oil), Baku-Turkey pipeline will be destroyed and and and

and ? ?

what will be benefit for West and America ? ?

Iran will, fast track nuclear bomb project

and than what ? ?

Only the almighty know what will follow

probably 10 million barrel of Oil per day will be cut

that will bring revolt in China, India, Europe

major economies will collapse

and

all this for what ? ? ?

West knows this, that's why nobody touching Iran



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Thank you Very Much for your post, Azari.
Iran will, fast track nuclear bomb project

and than what ? ?

Only the almighty know what will follow
Quite right.......

If it's not already on a fast track..........

all this for what ? ? ?
Depending on your point of view........

Over a Postage stamp Piece of land smaller than a Persian Pistachio Plantation.......

Over making sure that what happened in WW2 doesn't happen again..... this time Samson takes the Phillistines/Palestinians, Persecutors and Pomegranates :( with him........

Over revival of the Persian Empire and Preventing the Persistence of Pesky Colonial Partitions......

West knows this, that's why nobody touching Iran
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Mice, Men and Monkeys,
Paladins, Pomegranates, and Pigs
Of Trolls, Trollans and Uz
Oft go awry............ :(

When playing poker or chess, consider what is the most disastrous move that could be played against you...........
It might be Knee to Corner of Board/Hand to Gun/Missile Launch Button..........

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monster_gardener wrote:.
AzariLoveIran wrote:.
Juggernaut Nihilism wrote:.

I understand why Iran is important to Russia. Russia will support Iran with arms and money, but not directly. As I said, it won't like the continued attempt to turn the Caspian into a NATO lake, but it will not be able to stop the US from destroying Iran. It will choose another battlefield, like Georgia, to push back the encirclement somewhere else.

.

Iran does not need Russian forces

What Iran needs from Russian is state of the art air defense and rocketry and and

If Iran gets from Russia the military gear Iran needs .. if so .. nobody in this world would attack Iran

If America attacks Iran .. Iran would level all Saudi Arabian Oil installation, same with Qatar, same with Kuwait, same with UAE and will bomb flat Israel (Israeli Generals said so), will bomb any American installations in Afghanistan, Iraq, Caucasus, central Asia .. and .. Iran said so officially, will bomb NATO (radar) bases in Turkey

result will be, Oil @ 300 $/b , India will be fucked (no Oil), China will be fucked (no oil), Baku-Turkey pipeline will be destroyed and and and

and ? ?

what will be benefit for West and America ? ?

Iran will, fast track nuclear bomb project

and than what ? ?

Only the almighty know what will follow

probably 10 million barrel of Oil per day will be cut

that will bring revolt in China, India, Europe

major economies will collapse

and

all this for what ? ? ?

West knows this, that's why nobody touching Iran



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Thank you Very Much for your post, Azari.
Iran will, fast track nuclear bomb project

and than what ? ?

Only the almighty know what will follow
Quite right.......

If it's not already on a fast track..........

all this for what ? ? ?
Depending on your point of view........

Over a Postage stamp Piece of land smaller than a Persian Pistachio Plantation.......

Over making sure that what happened in WW2 doesn't happen again..... this time Samson takes the Phillistines/Palestinians, Persecutors and Pomegranates :( with him........

Over revival of the Persian Empire and Preventing the Persistence of Pesky Colonial Partitions......

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Look ,

Israeli Generals have said, again and again, Iran does not pose any existential threat to Israel

here and here

and

definitely here

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Israel does not really see Iran as an “existential threat,” at least not in the sense that Iran would fire a hypothetical nuclear bomb at Israel. Rather, Israel fears that an Iranian bomb would tilt the strategic balance.

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Matter of fact, Israel does not play any role game played by big boys in that space

game played is not between Iran and Israel

game played is world natural resources domination by big guys .. China, Europe, America, Russia, India, Brazil etc etc

Don't emphasize Rhubarb too much

he not at big boys table,

and

come a time

Rhubarb could very well be surprised by his "born again" friends :lol:


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