Israel

[Crocus sativus]

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In light of UN recognition of Palestinian statehood today, I again submit that the name of this useful thread be changed to "The Israel/Palestine thread."

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Thank you for your post, Ibrahim.

So I take it that you favor a "One Thread Solution"

HAL9000/Turkish Jew may find that "very interesting"

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things will end up like Switzerland .. 2 cantons .. Pali + Hebrew tribe .. European & Russian converts can visit as tourist


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Thank You Very Much for your post, Azari.

IIRC Swiss History, the Cantons sometimes fought each other.......

Sometimes for Religious Reasons.....

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yes, they did

Pali and Zionist already done the fighting

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the good part with Zionist is, they neither practice nor believe in Judaism .. so, it shouldn't be a problem


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[Crocus sativus]

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Haaretz : Israel dragged through UN like a sack through a market

Thursday’s UN vote was the international community’s warning light to Israel, as much as a show of support for the Palestinians. Germany, France, Britain, Italy and other friendly countries delivered messages to Israel with their votes – their patience with the occupation has worn off.

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Let me guess you were in the cast of Monty Python's flying Circus and this is just part of your Schtick ?

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OK, DOC, makes sense

Thank you.

BTW, Palestine Wins Status of State in Vote by U.N. Assembly

More than 130 countries voted to grant Palestine recognition as a nonmember observer state, in a stinging defeat for Israel and the United States ..

NYT

Hague, here we come
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We'll see what happens.

But from what I have seen thus far the Hague is pretty worthless. For example you would think actions that lead to the deaths of 60,000 people would be considered war crimes worthy of the war crimes court taking up:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ap ... drug-gangs

[Crocus sativus]

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. . failure of the Israeli offensive to achieve the "Hiroshima-like" destruction some Israelis sought . . . the recent conflict will prove game changing because of the message Hamas and other resistance factions were able to deliver.

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How did Gaza manage to fight back with such ferocity and undying vigor in quelling the latest Israeli war despite years of a bloody siege and one-sided war in 2008-9 ?

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When "more than 90% of Israeli Jews support Gaza war" (Ha'aretz, Nov 19), it becomes less shocking to read Gilad Sharon (son of former Israeli Prime Minister and repeatedly accused war criminal Ariel Sharon) writing in the Jerusalem Post: "There should be no electricity in Gaza, no gasoline or moving vehicles, nothing. Then they'd really call for a ceasefire ... We need to flatten entire neighborhoods in Gaza. Flatten all of Gaza. The Americans didn't stop with Hiroshima - the Japanese weren't surrendering fast enough, so they hit Nagasaki, too."

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Israel's trial balloons were downed by hundreds of Palestinian rockets that reached as far as northern Tel Aviv and even west Jerusalem. What was meant to break the resistance, so that Palestinians may never dare complain of occupation, of Israel-imposed political isolation and suffocating siege, along with Israel's "deterrence' wars, resulted in a new strange reality that sent Israelis everywhere seeking shelter. When sirens blared, Israel came to a halt as Israelis experienced bloody glimpses of what Palestinians experience too often.

There were 167 Palestinians killed and over 1,000 were wounded. Six Israelis were killed, including a soldier who died from his wounds after a ceasefire was achieved through Egypt on November 21. But it was not the amount of spilled blood that made this war different, for the ratio of horrific deaths remains tilted. It was different because of the nature of the message that Hamas and other resistance factions delivered. Even starved and besieged Gazans are capable of fighting back after six long years of a hermetic blockade that forced them to dig hundreds of tunnels seeking salvation through neighboring Egypt.

In Ramallah, the Palestinian Authority, with little credibility to begin with, became more irrelevant than ever before. Mahmoud Abbas tried to impose himself as a party in the conflict by speaking of a popular but peaceful resistance in a televised speech. He conveniently explained the Israeli war as an attempt to coerce him not to seek the now-secured non-member state status for Palestine at the United Nations. And as Israeli leaders struggled to understand the new variable in their unfair war equation with the Palestinians, Arab officials poured into Gaza signaling that this time around things would be different. The Americans took notice too.

Just as the US media spoke of a shift in US foreign policy focus to East and Southeast Asia, the alarming nature of the new war forced Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to rush to Israel to offer its support and solidarity. European leaders did the same. The lines were being demarcated once more. This time Gaza was a dividing point of regional and international politics, its resistance being the main factor behind a seismic shift.

Many in Israel tried to distort the facts by explaining that a ceasefire for Hamas would be good for Israel as it would bring "quiet" to border communities. Thus the Israeli objectives were achieved in a roundabout sort of way. Ha'aretz military correspondent Amos Harel labored to soften the blow by saying "The art of measuring the level of deterrence power is far from an exact science. Nobody expected that failed actions against Hezbollah in 2006 would lead to six-and-a-half years of quiet (which for the time being persists) on the Lebanon border".

However, Israel's intentions were not exactly about achieving peace and tranquility. For decades, Israel's sought to have complete monopoly over violence, thus the right to punish, deter, intervene, occupy and "teach lessons' to whomever it wanted, whenever it wanted. Its recent targeting of Sudan, its past strikes against Iraq, Tunisia, Syria, appalling wars in Lebanon, and constant threats against Iran are all cases in point.

Certainly, something big has changed. Not that Palestinians managed to narrow the imbalance of power, but that they succeeded in imposing their resistance as a factor in Israel's "security" equation that was exclusively determined by Israel.

Despite their heavy losses, thousands of Palestinians danced with joy throughout the Gaza Strip. They kneeled and prayed among the rebels, thanking God for their "victory". Masked armed men were crowded by jubilant Gazans cheering for resistance. Israel and its benefactors began assigning blame by pointing the finger mostly at Iran. But their words drowned in the echoes of Palestinian chants. All parties know that something fundamental has been altered, although the battle is anything but over. A war of a different kind is about to begin.

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now should be clear to Zionist, time not on their side



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[monster_gardener]

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. . failure of the Israeli offensive to achieve the "Hiroshima-like" destruction some Israelis sought . . . the recent conflict will prove game changing because of the message Hamas and other resistance factions were able to deliver.

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How did Gaza manage to fight back with such ferocity and undying vigor in quelling the latest Israeli war despite years of a bloody siege and one-sided war in 2008-9 ?

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When "more than 90% of Israeli Jews support Gaza war" (Ha'aretz, Nov 19), it becomes less shocking to read Gilad Sharon (son of former Israeli Prime Minister and repeatedly accused war criminal Ariel Sharon) writing in the Jerusalem Post: "There should be no electricity in Gaza, no gasoline or moving vehicles, nothing. Then they'd really call for a ceasefire ... We need to flatten entire neighborhoods in Gaza. Flatten all of Gaza. The Americans didn't stop with Hiroshima - the Japanese weren't surrendering fast enough, so they hit Nagasaki, too."

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Israel's trial balloons were downed by hundreds of Palestinian rockets that reached as far as northern Tel Aviv and even west Jerusalem. What was meant to break the resistance, so that Palestinians may never dare complain of occupation, of Israel-imposed political isolation and suffocating siege, along with Israel's "deterrence' wars, resulted in a new strange reality that sent Israelis everywhere seeking shelter. When sirens blared, Israel came to a halt as Israelis experienced bloody glimpses of what Palestinians experience too often.

There were 167 Palestinians killed and over 1,000 were wounded. Six Israelis were killed, including a soldier who died from his wounds after a ceasefire was achieved through Egypt on November 21. But it was not the amount of spilled blood that made this war different, for the ratio of horrific deaths remains tilted. It was different because of the nature of the message that Hamas and other resistance factions delivered. Even starved and besieged Gazans are capable of fighting back after six long years of a hermetic blockade that forced them to dig hundreds of tunnels seeking salvation through neighboring Egypt.

In Ramallah, the Palestinian Authority, with little credibility to begin with, became more irrelevant than ever before. Mahmoud Abbas tried to impose himself as a party in the conflict by speaking of a popular but peaceful resistance in a televised speech. He conveniently explained the Israeli war as an attempt to coerce him not to seek the now-secured non-member state status for Palestine at the United Nations. And as Israeli leaders struggled to understand the new variable in their unfair war equation with the Palestinians, Arab officials poured into Gaza signaling that this time around things would be different. The Americans took notice too.

Just as the US media spoke of a shift in US foreign policy focus to East and Southeast Asia, the alarming nature of the new war forced Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to rush to Israel to offer its support and solidarity. European leaders did the same. The lines were being demarcated once more. This time Gaza was a dividing point of regional and international politics, its resistance being the main factor behind a seismic shift.

Many in Israel tried to distort the facts by explaining that a ceasefire for Hamas would be good for Israel as it would bring "quiet" to border communities. Thus the Israeli objectives were achieved in a roundabout sort of way. Ha'aretz military correspondent Amos Harel labored to soften the blow by saying "The art of measuring the level of deterrence power is far from an exact science. Nobody expected that failed actions against Hezbollah in 2006 would lead to six-and-a-half years of quiet (which for the time being persists) on the Lebanon border".

However, Israel's intentions were not exactly about achieving peace and tranquility. For decades, Israel's sought to have complete monopoly over violence, thus the right to punish, deter, intervene, occupy and "teach lessons' to whomever it wanted, whenever it wanted. Its recent targeting of Sudan, its past strikes against Iraq, Tunisia, Syria, appalling wars in Lebanon, and constant threats against Iran are all cases in point.

Certainly, something big has changed. Not that Palestinians managed to narrow the imbalance of power, but that they succeeded in imposing their resistance as a factor in Israel's "security" equation that was exclusively determined by Israel.

Despite their heavy losses, thousands of Palestinians danced with joy throughout the Gaza Strip. They kneeled and prayed among the rebels, thanking God for their "victory". Masked armed men were crowded by jubilant Gazans cheering for resistance. Israel and its benefactors began assigning blame by pointing the finger mostly at Iran. But their words drowned in the echoes of Palestinian chants. All parties know that something fundamental has been altered, although the battle is anything but over. A war of a different kind is about to begin.

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now should be clear to Zionist, time not on their side



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Thank You Very Much for Your Post, Azari.

time not on their side

Unless & Until sustainable off world colonies are set up with an effective meteor/asteroid/comet/space rock shield/diversion/destruction program in place,

Time is not on the side of ANY of the Chaos Monkeys on Planet Earth.........

Imagine the Tunguska Event Had Happened at the Height of the Cold War........

But over Moscow, Washington or another major Russian/American city ......

The Tunguska event was an enormously powerful explosion that occurred near (and later struck) the Podkamennaya Tunguska River in what is now Krasnoyarsk Krai, Russia, at about 7:14 a.m. KRAT (0:14 UT) on June 30 [O.S. June 17], 1908.[1][2][3] The explosion, having the epicenter (60.886°N, 101.894°E), is believed to have been caused by the air burst of a large meteoroid or comet fragment at an altitude of 5–10 kilometres (3–6 mi) above the Earth's surface. Different studies have yielded widely varying estimates of the object's size, on the order of 100 metres (330 ft).[4] It is the largest impact event on or near Earth in recorded history.[5] The number of scholarly publications on the problem of the Tunguska explosion since 1908 may be estimated at about 1,000 (mainly in Russian). Many scientists have participated in Tunguska studies, the best-known of them being Leonid Kulik, Yevgeny Krinov, Kirill Florensky, Nikolai Vladimirovich Vasiliev and Wilhelm Fast.[6]

Although the meteoroid or comet appears to have burst in the air rather than hitting the surface, this event is still referred to as an impact. Estimates of the energy of the blast range from 5 to as high as 30 megatons of TNT (21–130 PJ),[7][8] with 10–15 megatons of TNT (42–63 PJ) the most likely[8]—roughly equal to the United States' Castle Bravo thermonuclear bomb tested on March 1, 1954; about 1,000 times more powerful than the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima, Japan; and about two-fifths the power of the later Soviet Union's own Tsar Bomba, the largest nuclear weapon ever detonated.[9] The explosion knocked an estimated 80 million trees down over an area covering 2,150 square kilometres (830 sq mi). It is estimated that the shock wave from the blast would have measured 5.0 on the Richter scale. An explosion of this magnitude is capable of destroying a large metropolitan area.[10] This possibility has helped to spark discussion of asteroid deflection strategies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunguska_event


G_d has been kind enough to give the Chaos Monkeys warning about what Mother Nature can do..........

[Crocus sativus]

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Look, Monster,

Why Zionist do not enter from a friendly to Middle Eastern approach ? ? .. why all this violence ? ? those bankrupt idiots, Sharon & Son and others, are a traitors to idea of a Jewish home for European and Russian Jews.

There should be something close to a regime change in Tel Aviv, Wise heads should take over, and, drop-in in Tehran .. offering a dramatic change to Israel's policy in return for being accommodated a Jewish homeland .. that the only way guarantying a prosperous lasting Jewish state for 100s of yrs to come .. notion, intriguing with Turkey, Egypt, Qatar and and against Iran a continuation of bankrupt and stupid past policies that will not lead to a Jewish homeland


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[Mr. Perfect]

Looks like a big war is unavoidable.

[monster_gardener]

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Look, Monster,

Why Zionist do not enter from a friendly to Middle Eastern approach ? ? .. why all this violence ? ? those bankrupt idiots, Sharon & Son and others, are a traitors to idea of a Jewish home for European and Russian Jews.

There should be something close to a regime change in Tel Aviv, Wise heads should take over, and, drop-in in Tehran .. offering a dramatic change to Israel's policy in return for being accommodated a Jewish homeland .. that the only way guarantying a prosperous lasting Jewish state for 100s of yrs to come .. notion, intriguing with Turkey, Egypt, Qatar and and against Iran a continuation of bankrupt and stupid past policies that will not lead to a Jewish homeland


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Thank You Very Much for your post, Azari.

Why Zionist do not enter from a friendly to Middle Eastern approach ? ?

From what I have read, they did.....

Tried to buy land......... Drain marshes, Develop Wasteland etc.........

But Muslim Chaos Monkeys are a prickly bunch......

May kill you if they think you have Insulted Islam by drawing a cartoon involving Big Mo for example.....

Or writing a book about some of the embarrassing things Mo did......

Even if you don't, your very existence as an Infidel is an affront to them........

The Malicious Malignant Muslim Meme Makes Muslims Think they May Murder, Enslave, Rape, Rob or at least slap you around like a Mafioso and collect Protection Money Payments...

After incidents like the Hebron Massacre, which occurred because there was a false rumor that Mohamed had been insulted, the stage was set for what followed..........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebro ... Background

Violence & Hatred producing more of the same on both sides.........

Not saying that all Arabs/Muslims are totally evil..... Most of the Jews who survived Hebron survived because some Arabs hid them.........

Just saying that by now, it is IMVHO extremely difficult for Jews and many Pali Muslims to live among each other peacefully....

That some Jihadi or Penguin is going to do something violent is virtually guaranteed.....

offering a dramatic change to Israel's policy in return for being accommodated a Jewish homeland .. that the only way guarantying a prosperous lasting Jewish state for 100s of yrs to come

The Devil will be in the Details, Azari.

That and a VERY well founded Lack of Trust...........

If a Jewish Homeland means living like Dhimmis have done traditionally in Muslim Lands........

No Thanks........

That beats Near Mid 20th Century Germany and some other VERY bad times........

But not while there are better alternatives.....

Like governing yourself.........

Better to Move to the Moon .... With Orion Rockets and Jacob's Ladder........

Or Antarctica with Thorium Nuclear Reactors.....

Or Uz and work to make sure the Muslims don't rise to power there ..........

Perhaps Even Doing Terrible Things as Terrible Things are done to You........

I prefer the Holey Lands of the Moon, craters & all, to the Holy Lands of the Middle East.........

[Crocus sativus]

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Look, Monster,

Why Zionist do not enter from a friendly to Middle Eastern approach ? ? .. why all this violence ? ? those bankrupt idiots, Sharon & Son and others, are a traitors to idea of a Jewish home for European and Russian Jews.

There should be something close to a regime change in Tel Aviv, Wise heads should take over, and, drop-in in Tehran .. offering a dramatic change to Israel's policy in return for being accommodated a Jewish homeland .. that the only way guarantying a prosperous lasting Jewish state for 100s of yrs to come .. notion, intriguing with Turkey, Egypt, Qatar and and against Iran a continuation of bankrupt and stupid past policies that will not lead to a Jewish homeland


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Thank You Very Much for your post, Azari.

Why Zionist do not enter from a friendly to Middle Eastern approach ? ?

From what I have read, they did.....

Tried to buy land......... Drain marshes, Develop Wasteland etc.........

But Muslim Chaos Monkeys are a prickly bunch......

May kill you if they think you have Insulted Islam by drawing a cartoon involving Big Mo for example.....

Or writing a book about some of the embarrassing things Mo did......

Even if you don't, your very existence as an Infidel is an affront to them........

The Malicious Malignant Muslim Meme Makes Muslims Think they May Murder, Enslave, Rape, Rob or at least slap you around like a Mafioso and collect Protection Money Payments...

After incidents like the Hebron Massacre, which occurred because there was a false rumor that Mohamed had been insulted, the stage was set for what followed..........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebro ... Background

Violence & Hatred producing more of the same on both sides.........

Not saying that all Arabs/Muslims are totally evil..... Most of the Jews who survived Hebron survived because some Arabs hid them.........

Just saying that by now, it is IMVHO extremely difficult for Jews and many Pali Muslims to live among each other peacefully....

That some Jihadi or Penguin is going to do something violent is virtually guaranteed.....

offering a dramatic change to Israel's policy in return for being accommodated a Jewish homeland .. that the only way guarantying a prosperous lasting Jewish state for 100s of yrs to come

The Devil will be in the Details, Azari.

That and a VERY well founded Lack of Trust...........

If a Jewish Homeland means living like Dhimmis have done traditionally in Muslim Lands........

No Thanks........

That beats Near Mid 20th Century Germany and some other VERY bad times........

But not while there are better alternatives.....

Like governing yourself.........

Better to Move to the Moon .... With Orion Rockets and Jacob's Ladder........

Or Antarctica with Thorium Nuclear Reactors.....

Or Uz and work to make sure the Muslims don't rise to power there ..........

Perhaps Even Doing Terrible Things as Terrible Things are done to You........

I prefer the Holey Lands of the Moon, craters & all, to the Holy Lands of the Middle East........

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Respectfully, Monster, you misunderstand, result of poisonous Zionist propaganda and disinformation

Forcing into Palestine, buying indigini land, terrorizing whole villages or those not selling and innocent civilians and chasing out of their homes and calling them terrorist those who claiming back their homes .. all this .. is not meant as "entering all this by a friendly approach" .. maybe you consider this friendly, but, the Middle Eastern people do not

Friendly is, when the European and Russian converts not wanted in their homeland (rejected by their compatriots) would approach ME people "ASKING" be given sanctuary in the form of a home of their own, calling it Jewish homeland (though they no Hebrew tribe and use "Jewish" only as a cover for their culture) .. Asking to be accommodated, and, not elbowing in by all trick in the trade including buying land and bombing and killing etc etc

ME people will accommodate those European and Russians based on Cyrus rules .. which means they can live in their homeland according to their culture BUT must fit within ME , meaning they can not conspire with ME enemies, the west .. in short, they must become one of ME countries and take ME interest into their heart

Otherwise, no matter what and how long it takes, there will be no Jewish state in ME, by now this should be clear to Zionist .. UN vote for Palestine should be a wake-up call for Zionist demonstrating that the world is against Israel .. and .. Zionist losing their military advantage day by day, as said, time is against them


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[Mr. Perfect]

Croc, if UN doesn't invade soon, all these gestures will be seen as paper tigers to Zionists. Invasion or else Jewish state remains.

[monster_gardener]

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Look, Monster,

Why Zionist do not enter from a friendly to Middle Eastern approach ? ? .. why all this violence ? ? those bankrupt idiots, Sharon & Son and others, are a traitors to idea of a Jewish home for European and Russian Jews.

There should be something close to a regime change in Tel Aviv, Wise heads should take over, and, drop-in in Tehran .. offering a dramatic change to Israel's policy in return for being accommodated a Jewish homeland .. that the only way guarantying a prosperous lasting Jewish state for 100s of yrs to come .. notion, intriguing with Turkey, Egypt, Qatar and and against Iran a continuation of bankrupt and stupid past policies that will not lead to a Jewish homeland


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Thank You Very Much for your post, Azari.

Why Zionist do not enter from a friendly to Middle Eastern approach ? ?

From what I have read, they did.....

Tried to buy land......... Drain marshes, Develop Wasteland etc.........

But Muslim Chaos Monkeys are a prickly bunch......

May kill you if they think you have Insulted Islam by drawing a cartoon involving Big Mo for example.....

Or writing a book about some of the embarrassing things Mo did......

Even if you don't, your very existence as an Infidel is an affront to them........

The Malicious Malignant Muslim Meme Makes Muslims Think they May Murder, Enslave, Rape, Rob or at least slap you around like a Mafioso and collect Protection Money Payments...

After incidents like the Hebron Massacre, which occurred because there was a false rumor that Mohamed had been insulted, the stage was set for what followed..........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebro ... Background

Violence & Hatred producing more of the same on both sides.........

Not saying that all Arabs/Muslims are totally evil..... Most of the Jews who survived Hebron survived because some Arabs hid them.........

Just saying that by now, it is IMVHO extremely difficult for Jews and many Pali Muslims to live among each other peacefully....

That some Jihadi or Penguin is going to do something violent is virtually guaranteed.....

offering a dramatic change to Israel's policy in return for being accommodated a Jewish homeland .. that the only way guarantying a prosperous lasting Jewish state for 100s of yrs to come

The Devil will be in the Details, Azari.

That and a VERY well founded Lack of Trust...........

If a Jewish Homeland means living like Dhimmis have done traditionally in Muslim Lands........

No Thanks........

That beats Near Mid 20th Century Germany and some other VERY bad times........

But not while there are better alternatives.....

Like governing yourself.........

Better to Move to the Moon .... With Orion Rockets and Jacob's Ladder........

Or Antarctica with Thorium Nuclear Reactors.....

Or Uz and work to make sure the Muslims don't rise to power there ..........

Perhaps Even Doing Terrible Things as Terrible Things are done to You........

I prefer the Holey Lands of the Moon, craters & all, to the Holy Lands of the Middle East........

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Respectfully, Monster, you misunderstand, result of poisonous Zionist propaganda and disinformation

Forcing into Palestine, buying indigini land, terrorizing whole villages or those not selling and innocent civilians and chasing out of their homes and calling them terrorist those who claiming back their homes .. all this .. is not meant as "entering all this by a friendly approach" .. maybe you consider this friendly, but, the Middle Eastern people do not

Friendly is, when the European and Russian converts not wanted in their homeland (rejected by their compatriots) would approach ME people "ASKING" be given sanctuary in the form of a home of their own, calling it Jewish homeland (though they no Hebrew tribe and use "Jewish" only as a cover for their culture) .. Asking to be accommodated, and, not elbowing in by all trick in the trade including buying land and bombing and killing etc etc

ME people will accommodate those European and Russians based on Cyrus rules .. which means they can live in their homeland according to their culture BUT must fit within ME , meaning they can not conspire with ME enemies, the west .. in short, they must become one of ME countries and take ME interest into their heart

Otherwise, no matter what and how long it takes, there will be no Jewish state in ME, by now this should be clear to Zionist .. UN vote for Palestine should be a wake-up call for Zionist demonstrating that the world is against Israel .. and .. Zionist losing their military advantage day by day, as said, time is against them


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Thank You Very Much for your post, Azari.

Friendly is, when the European and Russian converts not wanted in their homeland (rejected by their compatriots) would approach ME people "ASKING" be given sanctuary in the form of a home of their own, calling it Jewish homeland (though they no Hebrew tribe and use "Jewish" only as a cover for their culture) .. Asking to be accommodated,

For some strange reason, I recall ME peoples being MUCH MORE famous for Robbing, Raiding, Invading, Enslaving, Piracy , Running Protection Rackets and Being All Around Religious Fanatic Control Freak Nut Cases likely to kill at the mention of a word disparaging Mo rather than expanding their Kali-Fate Empire by Asking to be Accommodated in a Friendly manner......

all trick in the trade including buying land

If Buying Land is a considered a "trick" by Pali/Muslim Chaos Monkeys then probably the situation is near hopeless....

Time to Move to the Moon and more/elsewhere

Some place where you can govern yourself &/or be free.....

Or

Do Terrible Things While Having Terrible Things Done to You

ME people will accommodate those European and Russians based on Cyrus rules ..

Azari..... Red Hot HamASSed Palistinian Procotologists operate on MoHamHed Rulez not Cyrus Rules.....

And the Perverted Proctologists & their Looney Sunni & Salafi Slime Brethren have Perverse Plans for Pomegranates Possibly worse than the Plans they have for Jews

Remember they only shoot, stab & bash in the skulls of Jewish children and raise their bloody Hands High in Celebration....

They did the Red Hot Proctology Fatality in Mortal Kombat with their Fellow FATAH Pali-Simian Chaos Monkey Muslims!

And like it or not Persian Shia are officially Muslims if of a VERY Hated Heretical Sort.....

If you want to Preserve the Persian Cyrus Virus oops sorry I Mean Meme *

Why Not go Full Blown Zoroaster..... Fire Festival, Towers of Benares/Hanoi oops I mean Silence & Angry Birds and all......

Show that you really are a different Brand like the Bahai and Sikhs.......

there will be no Jewish state in ME

Perhaps......

Perhaps it will be replaced by Jacob's Ladder Interstellar Spaceport......

Or a Radioactive Wasteland.........


*Was thinking of Billy Ray and sMiley......

IK9DWMeMue0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK9DWMeMue0

36mPbhpsas8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36mPbhpsas8

TViQT0B8seA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TViQT0B8seA

4CT5NZd3ZiU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CT5NZd3ZiU

[Crocus sativus]

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Friendly is, when the European and Russian converts not wanted in their homeland (rejected by their compatriots) would approach ME people "ASKING" be given sanctuary in the form of a home of their own, calling it Jewish homeland (though they no Hebrew tribe and use "Jewish" only as a cover for their culture) .. Asking to be accommodated,

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For some strange reason, I recall ME peoples being MUCH MORE famous for Robbing, Raiding, Invading, Enslaving, Piracy , Running Protection Rackets and Being All Around Religious Fanatic Control Freak Nut Cases likely to kill at the mention of a word disparaging Mo rather than expanding their Kali-Fate Empire by Asking to be Accommodated in a Friendly manner......

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Last time I asked who killed, rubbed, raided, invaded, enslaved more, you guys or ME people, you did not repsond

Excluding Tchogiz khan, who else did rubbing and and and .. the empire lasting 1000 yr was all productive, first "Postal Systam", secure roads and transportation .. who started Suez Canal, paid labour, no slaves

come on

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all trick in the trade including buying land

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If Buying Land is a considered a "trick" by Pali/Muslim Chaos Monkeys then probably the situation is near hopeless ....

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all this reminds me of this debate


TUEbs1hD2GY




but, joke aside, re buying real estate

depends whether you evil intention when buyin land

Beverly Hills pretty much now owned by Iranians .. can they proclaim a new country ?

Zionist did not buy real estate in Palestine for business propose, they bought land with evil intention of kicking the indigini out of Palestine, the one who did not sell were murdered

Like somebody going into a gun-shop to buy an gun to shoot the shop owner

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[Mr. Perfect]

Big war coming.

[Mr. Perfect]

Zionist did not buy real estate in Palestine for business propose, they bought land with evil intention of kicking the indigini out of Palestine, the one who did not sell were murdered

Like somebody going into a gun-shop to buy an gun to shoot the shop owner

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Sounds like Canada.

[monster_gardener]

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Friendly is, when the European and Russian converts not wanted in their homeland (rejected by their compatriots) would approach ME people "ASKING" be given sanctuary in the form of a home of their own, calling it Jewish homeland (though they no Hebrew tribe and use "Jewish" only as a cover for their culture) .. Asking to be accommodated,

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For some strange reason, I recall ME peoples being MUCH MORE famous for Robbing, Raiding, Invading, Enslaving, Piracy , Running Protection Rackets and Being All Around Religious Fanatic Control Freak Nut Cases likely to kill at the mention of a word disparaging Mo rather than expanding their Kali-Fate Empire by Asking to be Accommodated in a Friendly manner......

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Last time I asked who killed, rubbed, raided, invaded, enslaved more, you guys or ME people, you did not repsond

Excluding Tchogiz khan, who else did rubbing and and and .. the empire lasting 1000 yr was all productive, first "Postal Systam", secure roads and transportation .. who started Suez Canal, paid labour, no slaves

come on

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all trick in the trade including buying land

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If Buying Land is a considered a "trick" by Pali/Muslim Chaos Monkeys then probably the situation is near hopeless ....

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all this reminds me of this debate


TUEbs1hD2GY




but, joke aside, re buying real estate

depends whether you evil intention when buyin land

Beverly Hills pretty much now owned by Iranians .. can they proclaim a new country ?

Zionist did not buy real estate in Palestine for business propose, they bought land with evil intention of kicking the indigini out of Palestine, the one who did not sell were murdered

Like somebody going into a gun-shop to buy an gun to shoot the shop owner

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Thank You Very Much for your post, Azari.

Last time I asked who killed, rubbed, raided, invaded, enslaved more, you guys or ME people, you did not repsond

IIRC I said that If you Included India, We Western Chaos Monkeys Were pretty damn close to you Madder Eastern Meme Chaos Monkeys but you Blamed the Muslim Mongols.......

Sorry if I missed an Iteration........

depends whether you evil intention when buyin land

IIRC according to Muslim Rules, once land has come under Muslim Control, it is supposed to NEVER leave Muslim control.......

A reason Osama was complaining about the loss of over-rated Andalusia.........

And that there are still descendants of Muslim Invaders In Morocco with centuries old keys in hand still itching to go back to Spain/Andalusia and re-steal their properties.....


So Excuse me......... If I tend not to care that much "When Bad Things Happen to Bad People" like Muslims intent on conquering the world

Or

Nota Benes

Germans intent on conquering Europe, Murdering Jews & EnSlaving Slavs , then getting their butts kicked out of Czechoslovakia post war........


BTW Thank you VERY Much for making an argument in favor of not allowing Muslim immigration and purchase of Uz land........

Beverly Hills pretty much now owned by Iranians .. can they proclaim a new country ?

Not likely but It could happen if things fall apart here......

May not even have to fall apart that much........

Have read that there are parts of Europe where foolish Euros have let Malignant Meme Muslims in as "Refugees" where the police & firemen only dare go in force

Sounds like de facto Sharia Mini-States to Me.......

Need I say "Mosquito" Mullah Krekar.......

Another Kurd who wants to Have His Cheesy Evil Whey oops I mean Way with the World...

IMVHO Time for most Infidels to start Migrating Off Planet..........*

Or Make Friends with the Monster by Converting........ ***

Trouble is there are Two Many Brands of Muslims...

Do you want to be a Nyet Kultuni Looney Mooney Sunni..........

Or An Artsy Shiitey S&M Ritual Purity Freak Shia....

Much as I love the Moon, I am Such a Sinful Depraved Chaos Monkey Pig that I probably would pick the Shiite...

Used to working with it ............. In the Garden ................ With a Rake

And they hate each other worse than they hate Jews!


Or Move to the Moon, Mars, Mercury, Asteroids and More........

The Jihadi Muslims can have Venus as their Hot Houri Harlot Virgin Grrl...... or Boy

Venus is classified as a terrestrial planet and is sometimes called Earth's "sister planet" owing to their similar size, gravity, and bulk composition (Venus is both the closest planet to Earth and the planet closest in size to Earth). However, it has been shown to be very different from Earth in other respects. Venus is shrouded by an opaque layer of highly reflective clouds of sulfuric acid, preventing its surface from being seen from space in visible light. It has the densest atmosphere of the four terrestrial planets, consisting mostly of carbon dioxide. The atmospheric pressure at the planet's surface is 92 times that of Earth's. With a mean surface temperature of 735 K (462 °C; 863 °F), Venus is by far the hottest planet in the Solar System. It has no carbon cycle to lock carbon back into rocks and surface features, nor does it seem to have any organic life to absorb it in biomass. Venus may have possessed oceans in the past,[14] but these would have vaporized as the temperature rose due to the runaway greenhouse effect.[15] The water has most probably photodissociated, and, because of the lack of a planetary magnetic field, the free hydrogen has been swept into interplanetary space by the solar wind.[16] Venus's surface is a dry desertscape interspersed with slab-like rocks and periodically refreshed by volcanism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus



Or Do Terrible Things Before/While Terrible Things are Done to Us..........



*Note: Muslims are not the only problem that makes this wise........**

We are Dealing With a World full of Sinful Depraved Egotistical Chaos Monkey Killer Apes, Pigs and Crocodiles.......

Who are Ourselves

**But IMVHO Muslims do Make the Malignant Top Five Reasons to Move......... Right up there with Meteors........

** Some Brands of Christians Have a HandMaid Potential to be Even Worse & More Weird than many Muslims....

You may say I am Telling you a Tale but stay away from Scary Gary North ....... A Dominionist almost as bad as the Draka

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handmaid%27s_Tale

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Even_Worse

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_North_%28economist%29

[Crocus sativus]

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Europe's big powers unify to push against Israel


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[Crocus sativus]

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Palestinians say Israel is a "rogue state", settlement expansion a "war crime"


International law Christal clear in this case .. Hitler wiping out Ukrainians and settling with Germans was a war crime, same with Zionist


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[Ibrahim]

An interesting example of extremist pro-Israeli activism in the US here:
http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2012/ ... rael-hate/

Now its not the armed militia talk that interests me. The guy is from Texas and talking about arming-up and shootin' evildoers is as American as McDonald's apple pie, but this is intriguing to me:

One of Brotsky’s claims to fame (or infamy) is his “mastery” of the art of exploitation and manipulation of social media. He of course maintains JIDF Facebook and Twitter accounts, but he also appears to have created multiple sockpuppet accounts designed to support and echo his own views. Conversely, he creates fake accounts of supposed Arab or Muslim users and posts damaging anti-Semitic or anti-Israel material:

…We will be launching our largest operation on 4chan and other popular image boards, our objective is to create an image of Palestinians and Lebanese being virulently anti-American and anti-Western.

-Create threads against Israel and fill them with posts from violent Jihadist Palestinians, claim to want to immigrate into the West to do Jihad, later on in the threads post links to propaganda films like Pallywood.

-Exploit massive Lebanese immigration into Australia as a reason why the Australian people should support Israel.

-Post propaganda threads linking to Palestinian and Lebanese suicide bombers and other Muslim extremism, in these threads also reply as a Jew who has been affected by Jihadist violence, explain to the readers that Muslims are a threat to the West.

-Start threads claiming to be Lebanese-Americans or Palestinian-Englanders, portray yourselves as extremely anti-Israel, later on in these threads claim to be a Jew disgusted by the behavior of the Lebanese/Palestinian man.

[monster_gardener]

An interesting example of extremist pro-Israeli activism in the US here:
http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2012/ ... rael-hate/

Now its not the armed militia talk that interests me. The guy is from Texas and talking about arming-up and shootin' evildoers is as American as McDonald's apple pie, but this is intriguing to me:

One of Brotsky’s claims to fame (or infamy) is his “mastery” of the art of exploitation and manipulation of social media. He of course maintains JIDF Facebook and Twitter accounts, but he also appears to have created multiple sockpuppet accounts designed to support and echo his own views. Conversely, he creates fake accounts of supposed Arab or Muslim users and posts damaging anti-Semitic or anti-Israel material:

…We will be launching our largest operation on 4chan and other popular image boards, our objective is to create an image of Palestinians and Lebanese being virulently anti-American and anti-Western.

-Create threads against Israel and fill them with posts from violent Jihadist Palestinians, claim to want to immigrate into the West to do Jihad, later on in the threads post links to propaganda films like Pallywood.

-Exploit massive Lebanese immigration into Australia as a reason why the Australian people should support Israel.

-Post propaganda threads linking to Palestinian and Lebanese suicide bombers and other Muslim extremism, in these threads also reply as a Jew who has been affected by Jihadist violence, explain to the readers that Muslims are a threat to the West.

-Start threads claiming to be Lebanese-Americans or Palestinian-Englanders, portray yourselves as extremely anti-Israel, later on in these threads claim to be a Jew disgusted by the behavior of the Lebanese/Palestinian man.

Thank You Very Much for your Post, Ibrahim.

Sounds like a lot of wasted effort.....

All Brotsky needs to do is just cite the long history of Muslim Aggression against the Infidel World from the Mohammed & Umar through the Barbary Pirates & especially 911 with Palestinians celebrating it in the streets, quote creeps like Mosquito Breeding Mullah Krekar how Jihadi Muslims still intend to conquer the world and subject anyone who doesn't convert to servitude as a Dhimmi..

[Apollonius]

Azari..... Red Hot HamASSed Palistinian Procotologists operate on MoHamHed Rulez not Cyrus Rules.....

And the Perverted Proctologists & their Looney Sunni & Salafi Slime Brethren have Perverse Plans for Pomegranates Possibly worse than the Plans they have for Jews

Remember they only shoot, stab & bash in the skulls of Jewish children and raise their bloody Hands High in Celebration....

They did the Red Hot Proctology Fatality in Mortal Kombat with their Fellow FATAH Pali-Simian Chaos Monkey Muslims!

And like it or not Persian Shia are officially Muslims if of a VERY Hated Heretical Sort.....

If you want to Preserve the Persian Cyrus Virus oops sorry I Mean Meme *

Why Not go Full Blown Zoroaster..... Fire Festival, Towers of Benares/Hanoi oops I mean Silence & Angry Birds and all......

Show that you really are a different Brand like the Bahai and Sikhs.......

I'm in complete agreement with you Monster. I'm on record as recommending that Muslims convert to Buddhism, Christianity, or Epicureanism, but even Zoroastrism would be an improvement.

[Ibrahim]

I'm in complete agreement with you Monster. I'm on record as recommending that Muslims convert to Buddhism, Christianity, or Epicureanism, but even Zoroastrism would be an improvement.

Equally feasible and ethically identical: everyone converts to Islam.

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Bravo, Bravo ..


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[monster_gardener]

Azari..... Red Hot HamASSed Palistinian Procotologists operate on MoHamHed Rulez not Cyrus Rules.....

And the Perverted Proctologists & their Looney Sunni & Salafi Slime Brethren have Perverse Plans for Pomegranates Possibly worse than the Plans they have for Jews

Remember they only shoot, stab & bash in the skulls of Jewish children and raise their bloody Hands High in Celebration....

They did the Red Hot Proctology Fatality in Mortal Kombat with their Fellow FATAH Pali-Simian Chaos Monkey Muslims!

And like it or not Persian Shia are officially Muslims if of a VERY Hated Heretical Sort.....

If you want to Preserve the Persian Cyrus Virus oops sorry I Mean Meme *

Why Not go Full Blown Zoroaster..... Fire Festival, Towers of Benares/Hanoi oops I mean Silence & Angry Birds and all......

Show that you really are a different Brand like the Bahai and Sikhs.......

I'm in complete agreement with you Monster. I'm on record as recommending that Muslims convert to Buddhism, Christianity, or Epicureanism, but even Zoroastrism would be an improvement.

Thank You VERY Much for your post, Apollonius.

Seconded.........

Thank you for the Kind Words also.....

[monster_gardener]

I'm in complete agreement with you Monster. I'm on record as recommending that Muslims convert to Buddhism, Christianity, or Epicureanism, but even Zoroastrism would be an improvement.

Equally feasible and ethically identical: everyone converts to Islam.

Thank You Very Much for your post, Ibrahim.

Equally feasible and ethically identical: everyone converts to Islam.

Not so...

Especially on the ethical angle.......

[Crocus sativus]

I'm in complete agreement with you Monster. I'm on record as recommending that Muslims convert to Buddhism, Christianity, or Epicureanism, but even Zoroastrism would be an improvement.

Equally feasible and ethically identical: everyone converts to Islam.

Thank You Very Much for your post, Ibrahim.

Equally feasible and ethically identical: everyone converts to Islam.

Not so...

Especially on the ethical angle ......


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We all, born into a religion (exempting those imbeciles chosen one)

in that sense

if

starting with a blank sheet of paper, would have to chose one religion,

if so, for sure

Islam would not be the last choice

look, guys

all I have heard from you against Islam last few yrs, is, mostly the bloody history of Islam

Yes, bloody history

but, that is how sausage is (was) made (at that time)

Heart of the matter is : thought, school, philosophy, humanity, wisdom and many other aspect of a religion is what makes or brakes, and not the way it came to be

Have not heard from you guys any theological-philosophical argument yet against Islam

IMHO, debate about religion should be about thoughts and view of life and and , not about who killed whom and who rubbed whom

would a serious debate about Christian religion involve what (one of many) Pope was saying in Avignon ? ? .. Christianity is a thought , and the merit and validity of that thought must be debated .. same with any religion, including Islam .. how that thought and school was accepted has no relation to validity of that thought and philosophy


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