Ibrahim wrote:Sparky wrote:Ibrahim wrote:planctom wrote:Ibrahim wrote:planctom wrote: after reading some posts in this thread I was almost convinced that all racists , murders andwar criminals were Israelis.
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So what are you convinced of now? The narrative for pro-Israeli and anti-Arab propagandists has been that Israel is morally superior to the people it systematically oppresses, thus justifying its violence against them. Now we see that the Israeli (conscript) military is riddled with overt racists and those advocating murder of civilians, and we know for a fact that substantial numbers of civilians are killed by the IDF.
So if the response is "there are Palestinian terrorists, ya know!" then I have to ask what conclusion one is supposed to draw from this. That Israelis are just as bad as Palestinians? That there is no difference between them? I'm not opposed the that judgment since it would logically preclude the US government from financially subsidizing and providing political cover for the Israeli racist apartheid regime, and its criminal occupation of Palestine.
Supporting the Israeli government and military is, at this point, morally identical to supporting the South African government prior to 1994.
Ibrahim, I don´t believe that Israeleis are morally superior to palestines and Arabs in general; I do not approve the settlements and obviously I´m not blind to the opression of palestines.
What I don´t believe is the ideia that all bad guys are in Israel and that Palestines are the good guys.
There are racists, killers, war criminals on both sides; the thing is that Israel is the top dog now so Palestines are suffering the consequences.
If Hamas had the upper hand, I believe there would be no Israelis anymore ; not only israeleis but also political adversaries like Fatah.
So then if there are no good guys, it makes no sense to support one side financially, politically, and militarily in their occupation of the other.
Not really. It often makes sense to support bad guys against worse guys
Right. This is why %90 of the countries in the world support Palestine rather than Israel.
- and of course there are numerous political, financial and military reasons for doing so too.
Well now you are on to something. There is no real military benefit, and the "J Street lobby" actually has less money to throw around than Saudi princelings, but the average US voter seems like like Israel for some reason, so American politicians will continue to pander to that as long as its fashionable.
Thank you Very Much for your post, Ibrahim.
And Thank You VERY VERY MUCH again for your endorsement of Nukes for Israel in the North Korea thread.......
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My Thanks to you quoting your post......
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Ibrahim wrote:
Sparky wrote:Not really. It often makes sense to support bad guys against worse guys
Right. This is why %90 of the countries in the world support Palestine rather than Israel
Hmmmnnn....
I suspect it boils down to Oil..........
IMVHO, if there were no oil in Arab/Muslim world, the Infidel World wouldn't give a damn about many/most Muslim nations or view them as annoyances or worse: Pests & Threats...
Sort of like the Uz view of Afghanistan post Soviet withdrawal and pre4 911........... And hopefully someday soon with a more vigilance and Milo
for Breakfast, Lunch & Dinner...
Or the period after young pipsqueak America/Uz kicked the Barbary Pirates' Butts and showed the Major European Powers that had been paying protection money to these Islamic Slimeball Slavers that these religious fanatic land and sea pirates were better paid with lead bullets than gold and silver coins....
O Happy Day!
Otherwise I rather doubt that non Islamics really think that HAMAS amateur Protologists who Ram Heated Pipes up the Rear Ends of their enemies and Palis Pervert Perps like Samir Kuntar who smash out the brains of a 4 year old girl with a rifle butt
are better than Israelis as a whole or even young punk Israeli conscripts with vulgar T-Shirts.
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Even Pali FATAH types agree that the Israelis are better as it was to Israel they fled from the HAMAS Heated Pipe Proctologists......
Voting in favor of Israel with their feet.........
There is no real military benefit,
Actually there is.........
Israel is a choke point between the West and East wings of the late unlamented Islamic Kali-Fate Empire/Hegemony/Land and Sea Pirate Lands.....
Given that Islamics tend to suffer from a very bad case of IrrenDental Disease
, it is an annoyance worse than a BAD toothache
that Infidel Israel occupies land once held by Islamics..........
This causes them to waste much of their military power against Israel instead of doing things like trying to conquer other Infidel lands....
Not that they aren't trying other forms of insidious infiltration...
*Though some Socialists/Liberal Progressives prefer Palis as Palis/Islamics are the current Socialist/Liberal Progressive pets since the Israelis are no longer as socialist as they once were with the Kibbutzim and especially since Uz backs the Israelis and Uz is the official enemy of International Socialists....
Uz beat the Russian Socialist Bears and corrupted the Chinese Socialist Dragons beloved of Socialist/Liberal Progressives.
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