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Why do people suppose that a rugged individualist is/wants to be without any relationship with others? That confuses a rugged individualist with a hermit or autist.
C'mon Nap,NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:What a bunch of ninny-ism.
We are talking about a political slogan "rugged individual" and you lot head to the woods and survivalists and anarchy. What feverish imagination.
Rugged individual was a nice way for Herbert Hoover to say the government shouldn't be involved in society. It's basically the old bourgeoisie period between absolutist states and totalitarian ones. Of course, running on that when everyone was going nazi...err native....with these grand collectivist plans wasn't not too hip.
It looked even sillier with that whole depression thing. Ooops.
But half of 'ya advocating for more decentralization are basically begging for rugged individualism.
I think the saying goes:
Be careful not to look a gift hobo in the mouth.
Parodite wrote:Nap, I started the thread just for us to play with the concept... ye know.. individuals that are in a common project on OTNOT.![]()
Simple Minded wrote:C'mon Nap,
only collectivists use envelopes- 'cause they have a fruity mail system to send letters through.I always thought the raison d'etre for OTNOT was to push the envelope of intellectual intellectualism, moralistic moralism, Collectivist collectivism, and relativistic relativism. I thought it was in our Missionary Statement.
There is an old Norm MacDonald bit I'm rather fond of, despite it's poor taste. By old I mean, told at the start of the recession. It went something like, "You know, if I had the money to invest you know what I'd invest in? Guys jumpin' off the top of buildings" [which elicits groans] "You'd think that's not going to happen, but soon it will be very big! And then those guys won't be powerful anymore, 'cause most of them will be dead and the rest severely crippled. And so the powerful guys will be the old hobos- the ones from the original depression."there's another sayin we use at the SimpleMindedStan Institute for the Gifted (SMSIG):
If you can't run with the big dogs, stay under the porch!![]()
Get back in the game Big Dog, our side needs you.
Most people have only so much time in the day to determine appellations- rugged individualists make horrible proselytizers for their cause. The successful ones just skip that tag or use another one but it is very easy to slip into the maladroit pile from there.Parodite wrote:Nap, I started the thread just for us to play with the concept... ye know.. individuals that are in a common project on OTNOT.![]()
Why do people suppose that a rugged individualist is/wants to be without any relationship with others? That confuses a rugged individualist with a hermit or autist.
He does want to have a relationship with others. One in which he ruthlessly exploits the others for his own benefit...A rugged individualist couldn't stand living on a desert island...Parodite wrote:Why do people suppose that a rugged individualist is/wants to be without any relationship with others? That confuses a rugged individualist with a hermit or autist.
I was going to do an ode to passive-aggressivism, but never mind!noddy wrote:i was going to do an ode to passive conformism but im waiting for step by step instructions.
i was going to do an ode to blunt aggressivism but f*ck you!YMix wrote:I was going to do an ode to passive-aggressivism, but never mind!noddy wrote:i was going to do an ode to passive conformism but im waiting for step by step instructions.
Nor any ears.noddy wrote:then i started on an ode to modern socialism but noone would lend me any words.
selfish bastards, its enough to drive someone to the mountains.YMix wrote:Nor any ears.noddy wrote:then i started on an ode to modern socialism but noone would lend me any words.
I find it very informative to discuss all this not because I think there is an engraved in gold definition of "rugged individualism" that we all desperately seek to uncover (it ain't existing), but what associated ideas and opinions it triggers in each of us here and how we respond to them.NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:Most people have only so much time in the day to determine appellations- rugged individualists make horrible proselytizers for their cause. The successful ones just skip that tag or use another one but it is very easy to slip into the maladroit pile from there.Parodite wrote:Nap, I started the thread just for us to play with the concept... ye know.. individuals that are in a common project on OTNOT.![]()
Why do people suppose that a rugged individualist is/wants to be without any relationship with others? That confuses a rugged individualist with a hermit or autist.
Isn't it fascinating to see what terms make outsiders eyes just glaze over?
True enough.NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:
Most people have only so much time in the day to determine appellations- rugged individualists make horrible proselytizers for their cause. The successful ones just skip that tag or use another one but it is very easy to slip into the maladroit pile from there.
Isn't it fascinating to see what terms make outsiders eyes just glaze over?
I enjoyed the thread Bro. Thanks.Parodite wrote:
I find it very informative to discuss all this not because I think there is an engraved in gold definition of "rugged individualism" that we all desperately seek to uncover (it ain't existing), but what associated ideas and opinions it triggers in each of us here and how we respond to them.
My initial tongue in cheek was to Mr.P. who considers himself a rugged individualist, making me wonder if "real" rugged individualists would bother much about others like Obama, gay/poly marriage, liberals.. as much as Mr. P. does.
What I associate with "a rugged individualist" does certainly not fit somebody like Mr.P.; he bothers himself waaaay too much with others who hardly are a threat to his rugged individualist life style or interests. But of course... Mr.P.might have totally different idea about rugged individualism.
A rugged individualist would ode away, all day, even without an audience....... those who wish to be admired/appreciated as special snowflakes, give up to easily.noddy wrote:selfish bastards, its enough to drive someone to the mountains.YMix wrote:Nor any ears.noddy wrote:then i started on an ode to modern socialism but noone would lend me any words.
I never appreciated Norm MacDonald's humor on SNL. But about six month ago or so, I heard several interviews of him on Dennis Miller's radio show, and became a fan. Check out the 03/27/2015 show.NapLajoieonSteroids wrote:
There is an old Norm MacDonald bit I'm rather fond of, despite it's poor taste. By old I mean, told at the start of the recession. It went something like, "You know, if I had the money to invest you know what I'd invest in? Guys jumpin' off the top of buildings" [which elicits groans] "You'd think that's not going to happen, but soon it will be very big! And then those guys won't be powerful anymore, 'cause most of them will be dead and the rest severely crippled. And so the powerful guys will be the old hobos- the ones from the original depression."
The customary fatuous, glib dismissal without content. (Parodite™)Parodite wrote:Way too much stereotyping. Perhaps even projection.kmich wrote:"Individualism" vs "collectivism" is a false dichotomy. "Individualism" has no meaning outside a relational context with a collective reference.
Any success human beings have achieved as a species has been from their capacity for coordination and cooperation not from their power as individuals. The promotion of "Individualism" is only a narcissistic recoil from how dependent we have become on others and on the institutions of our contemporary civilization. Contemporary "libertarianism" is a utopian fantasy to soothe egos wounded by our complex, relational dependencies.
Mmmm. I suppose if one's own development is stuck in their own adolescence, a mature discussion of faith would have to be shoehorned into their self-centered frame. Perhaps even projection?Parodite wrote:I think every human being with a unique character that is changing during a life time.. will approach things and behave accordingly. And there are things like matter of taste, pre-conceived conceptions and prejudice.kmich wrote:There is BS in any conceptual identification including the fixation on the perceived credulousness of the so-called "religious"
The way you once described your religious / existential struggle comes off to me as self-centered. Where you once explained that "one has to gently move oneself out of the way.. to let God etc...". Super-self gently moves aside lower-self? It boggles the mind... but it does come off as an adolescent identity crisis.
There is no definitional clarity here, SM. How a so-called "rugged individualist" operates will all depend, in the end, on what they as "individuals" want, believe, or have been taught by others about that appellation.Simple Minded wrote:Rugged individuals neither seek nor desire confirmation bias. Am I right?
No much difference, but different decisions in their fashion choices:Parodite wrote:I would like to compare the rugged individualist with the unshaved catholic. Differences, similarities?
Kmich,kmich wrote:There is no definitional clarity here, SM. How a so-called "rugged individualist" operates will all depend, in the end, on what they as "individuals" want, believe, or have been taught by others about that appellation.Simple Minded wrote:Rugged individuals neither seek nor desire confirmation bias. Am I right?
I suppose you could use "neither seeking nor desiring confirmation bias" as a working definition, but that would likely be intellectually dishonest since that kind of "rugged individualist" would likely be "seeking and desiring" confirmation of the "dispassionate" pretense and identify strongly with others who share it.
Parodite,Parodite wrote:Nap, I started the thread just for us to play with the concept... ye know.. individuals that are in a common project on OTNOT.![]()
Why do people suppose that a rugged individualist is/wants to be without any relationship with others? That confuses a rugged individualist with a hermit or autist.