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Nonc Hilaire wrote: Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:15 pm This looks like another WEF color revolution. War in Azerbaijan, Iraq, Armenia. Iran announcing a land route between the Caspian sea and the Persian Gulf.

This isn’t about hijab or bad policing. Too organized, too big, too widespread and it developed too rapidly for it to be an organic protest.

It would be interesting to hear from Ahmadinejad about this.
Nonc Hilaire wrote: Fri Sep 23, 2022 2:15 pm This looks like another WEF color revolution. War in Azerbaijan, Iraq, Armenia. Iran announcing a land route between the Caspian sea and the Persian Gulf.

This isn’t about hijab or bad policing. Too organized, too big, too widespread and it developed too rapidly for it to be an organic protest.

It would be interesting to hear from Ahmadinejad about this.
Invoking conspiracy assumes that, at least,

1. The Iranians do not have multiple serious and legitimate grievances against their government.

2. That they are incapable of organizing their own protests without being incited and manipulated by "foreign agents*.

In other words, a contemporary version of the "White man's burden".

*The overthrow of the Shah, "the devil one knew", suggests otherwise.
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Iran’s morality police disappear from streets after dozens killed in protests [paywalled?]
After woman’s death in custody, Tehran weighs less heavy-handed tactics for monitoring Islamic dress code

In the wake of Iran’s Islamic revolution in 1979, revolutionaries have forced women to wear scarves in public
Najmeh Bozorgmehr in Tehran SEPTEMBER 28 2022

The white-and-green Guidance Patrol vans, used by Iran’s morality police to monitor and arrest women who defy the Islamic dress code, have in recent days disappeared from the streets of Tehran.

For the past decade a symbol of the Islamic republic’s crackdown on women, the vans are not even visible outside the morality police centre in central Tehran.

Mahsa Amini, a 22-year-old woman of Kurdish ethnicity, was this month bundled into one of these vehicles. She later died in custody, triggering the biggest street protests across the country since the 2019 unrest over fuel prices. At least 41 protesters have died, according to state television. Hundreds of people have been arrested, local agencies report, including political activists and journalists.

Such is the outrage over her death that people from across the Iranian political spectrum have called for an end to the official policing of women’s clothing. “Guidance Patrol will most probably be withdrawn from the streets,” said Saeed Laylaz, a reformist analyst. “The Islamic republic will have a major setback over the hijab in practice and will have no other choice but to give more social freedom to the urban middle-class youth.”

For more than a week, young protesters, many the same age as Amini, have poured on to the streets in towns and cities across the country chanting anti-regime slogans such as “We don’t want the Islamic republic” and “Death to the dictator”.

University students have demonstrated on campuses and female protesters have burnt their scarves. Others faced riot police without wearing their hijab, showing little fear. While the protests have now subsided, Iranians on social media still share pictures of women killed during the protests.

For young people struggling with massive economic problems such as poverty and inequality, these patrols had become a lightning conductor for their rage, Emad Afrough, a sociologist told the state news agency IRNA.

“We have launched something which has no human, moral, logical and even legal justification,” he said. “The way a [police]man throws a woman into the car is inhuman and un-Islamic.”

The wearing of the hijab is one of the defining images of the theocratic regime. In the wake of the Islamic revolution in 1979, revolutionaries forced women to wear scarves in public. In 1983, the hijab officially became obligatory for women. The violation of this rule was punishable with up to 74 lashes. Later, jail sentences and fines replaced flogging.

Hardliners under former president Mahmoud Ahmadi-Nejad made the police responsible for “promoting social security” in 2006 when they launched the Guidance Patrol — a label later changed to Moral Security Police, though people continue to refer to them as the Guidance Patrol. Many police officers were loath to assume this responsibility because they said it was not their job to deal with women’s hair and clothes.

The enforcement of the rules on the hijab have intensified in the past year since, with the election of Ebrahim Raisi as president, hardliners took over all arms of the state. They hoped that the stronger enforcement of the rules over the hijab could slow the modernisation of Iran, an increasingly secular society.

But, noted Jalal Rashidi Kouchi, a member of parliament, “the police have been damaged because of the Guidance Patrol” with “no results but losses for the country”.

The women they arrest have to give written commitments not to violate the law again and to attend hour-long classes on morality. Car owners also receive text messages to go to the morality police centre if there are women in their cars without scarves. Their cars are then impounded for up to two months.

It is unclear how many police officers work in Guidance Patrol but their presence, in busy squares, parks and outside metro stations, makes women feel insecure. Amini was arrested in a park shortly after she got out of a nearby metro station in central Tehran. Her family allege she was beaten up in the van. The authorities deny this and say she had a pre-existing condition.

It is unclear what comes next, though the Islamic republic is not expected to revoke the law on the hijab.

Iran’s supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has not commented on the latest protests but two months ago he defended the obligation to wear the hijab. The fact that Iranian women occupy half of university seats, he said, makes clear that the Islamic hijab is not an obstacle to women’s progress.

Conservative organisations have however called for an end to the police’s role in enforcing the rules. “How can a force in charge of order and security be in charge of holding hijab classes?” asked the Headquarters to Promote Virtue and Prevent Vice.

“Religious beliefs are not created by batons, arrests and Guidance Patrol. We cannot force people into paradise,” Gholamreza Nouri Ghezeljeh, a reformist member of parliament, told Shargh daily newspaper.

But he was dismissive about the introduction of fines. “As if one can decide about paradise and hell with money,” he said.
Apparently, the are a few outstanding domestic issues that need to be addressed before the world is to be ruled by a Pax Persica.
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More trouble in paradise,

FT | Iranian students launch fresh anti-regime protests [payballed?]
Gatherings in university cities give new momentum to two weeks of unrest
Iranian university students launched protests against the country’s rulers on Saturday, giving new momentum to the anti-regime protests which have been going on for two weeks despite an intensification of the Islamic republic’s crackdown.

As the new academic year officially began, students at the capital’s prestigious Tehran University and other demonstrators in nearby streets chanted slogans while riot police patrolled on motorcycles, shooting tear gas and urging the crowd to disperse, eyewitnesses said.

Universities in other major cities such as Mashhad in the north-east, Tabriz in the north-west, Kerman in the south and Yazd as well as Isfahan in central Iran, also held protests according to videos posted on social media.

“The clergy should get lost,” chanted people in central Tehran. “We don’t want the Islamic republic,” students inside Tehran University said.

“Students at universities are surely giving the protests a new energy as the youth can create synergies when they get together,” said Saeed Laylaz, a reformist analyst. “This could mean protests will continue for now.”

The wave of protests began in mid-September after Mahsa Amini, a 22-year-old Kurdish woman from the northwestern town of Saqqez, died while in the custody of the morality police. She was detained in a park in Tehran for allegedly breaching the obligatory Islamic dress code.

Her tragic death has rocked Iran, triggering the biggest anti-regime protests since 2019, when a rise in fuel prices caused unrest.

Officials have sought to convince Iranians that her death was probably caused by underlying diseases rather than punishment in detention.

Saturday’s escalation came after several days when the protests subsided. Protests expanded in the evening in various neighbourhoods in Tehran and other cities. Demonstrators have also urged businesses and shops to shut and help stage a general strike across the country. Shopkeepers in Vahdat-e Eslami, in southern Tehran, were forced by protesters to close early, eyewitnesses said, or else their windows could be smashed.

Some women protesters in Tehran walked around the university without scarves, passing the riot police but showing little fear. The semi-official Fars news agency — which is affiliated to the Revolutionary Guards — said some protesters in Tehran were arrested.

Many of the demonstrators are young and come from the country’s urban middle class; they do not have any known leader. Their main slogan has become “Woman, Life, Freedom”. Young women have burnt their scarves in protest at the hijab.

Javan daily newspaper, affiliated to the guards, said 93 per cent of protesters were aged up to 25 years old “which shows a new generation of rioters in the country in the making”.

A female protester said she objected to a regime which “wants us to go to mosques but sends its own children to Canada to enjoy life”.

Iranian state television said last week that 41 people died during the protests, a figure which has not been updated in recent days. Amnesty International said on Friday that Iran’s crackdown had caused at least 52 deaths while hundreds were injured.

Hundreds have been arrested, including nine foreign nationals whose identities have not been disclosed, domestic media have reported. Faezeh Hashemi, daughter of the late former president Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, was also arrested last week.

Iran’s opposition leader Mir-Hossein Moussavi who has been under house arrest since 2011, said in a message on Saturday that Amini’s death “is turning history’s page”. He urged the armed forces “to be on the nation’s side” and “defend people, not suppress them”.

Meanwhile tensions erupted in the south-eastern province of Sistan Balochistan on Friday and 19 people, including security forces, were killed, according to the semi-official ISNA news agency. The conflict came after a senior police official allegedly raped a 15-year-old ethnic Baluchi girl.

The province’s governor, Hossein Modarres Khiabani, accused “separatist terrorists” of attacking the police centre and some banks and chain stores on Friday.
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FT | The revolutionary ambitions of Iran’s Generation Z [free to read]
The country’s young people want to taste the liberty they see on social media, but they face a [theocratic-kleptocratic dictatorship, er] regime that is resilient and organised
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Typhoon wrote: Fri Oct 21, 2022 12:33 am FT | The revolutionary ambitions of Iran’s Generation Z [free to read]
The country’s young people want to taste the liberty they see on social media, but they face a [theocratic-kleptocratic dictatorship, er] regime that is resilient and organised
Not sure how far to trust FT on Iran. Turkey might be a better place to look for less biased journalism. Maybe Hungary too.
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Nonc Hilaire wrote: Fri Oct 21, 2022 3:05 am
Typhoon wrote: Fri Oct 21, 2022 12:33 am FT | The revolutionary ambitions of Iran’s Generation Z [free to read]
The country’s young people want to taste the liberty they see on social media, but they face a [theocratic-kleptocratic dictatorship, er] regime that is resilient and organised
Not sure how far to trust FT on Iran. Turkey might be a better place to look for less biased journalism. Maybe Hungary too.
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Nonc Hilaire wrote: Fri Oct 21, 2022 3:05 am
Typhoon wrote: Fri Oct 21, 2022 12:33 am FT | The revolutionary ambitions of Iran’s Generation Z [free to read]
The country’s young people want to taste the liberty they see on social media, but they face a [theocratic-kleptocratic dictatorship, er] regime that is resilient and organised
Not sure how far to trust FT on Iran. Turkey might be a better place to look for less biased journalism. Maybe Hungary too.
Better yet, why not the official Iranian news service?

Unlike many newspapers today, the FT still has many international reporters, including the author of the article based in Tehran.
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Witty new protest strategy: knocking turbans off the mad mullahs.

https://youtu.be/JKmUTniYYLE

JKmUTniYYLE
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https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Ira ... _342764939

75% of all Medical specialist in Iran are women

50% of all Medical doctors in Iran are women


There now a "minimum" quota for male medical students applications :lol:

Iranian women now @ par with male students in science

Many top Iranian scientist are women ..
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Nonc Hilaire wrote: Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:58 pm Witty new protest strategy: knocking turbans off the mad mullahs.

https://youtu.be/JKmUTniYYLE

JKmUTniYYLE

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoeiJWe-Qrg


High ranking US diplomat

The demonstration now in Iran will lead to reforms that mad mullahs will enact catering to legitimate demands .. leading to a more strong "Mullah Rule"

Not even 5% of all pressure on mad mullahs lead to fall of SHAH .. don't be fooled
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Iran, China, and the Future World Order
Unipolarity or Multipolarity ?


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He received his higher education at the University of California, Santa Barbara and at the University of Kansas in international relations and regional studies.

He has worked as a researcher and analyst for the US Department of Defense for more than a decade.

He specializes in Eurasian sociopolitical, strategic, and geopolitical issues. His main research interests cover Eastern Europe, Russia, the Caucasus, the Middle East, Central Asia, China, and the Indian subcontinent.

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Heracleum Persicum wrote: Sun Oct 30, 2022 4:51 pm .

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Ira ... _342764939

75% of all Medical specialist in Iran are women

50% of all Medical doctors in Iran are women


There now a "minimum" quota for male medical students applications :lol:

Iranian women now @ par with male students in science

Many top Iranian scientist are women ..
If that is the case, then one assumes that they're intelligent and capable enough to choose, for themselves, as to how they should dress.
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Typhoon wrote: Sat Nov 12, 2022 4:48 am
Heracleum Persicum wrote: Sun Oct 30, 2022 4:51 pm .

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Ira ... _342764939

75% of all Medical specialist in Iran are women

50% of all Medical doctors in Iran are women


There now a "minimum" quota for male medical students applications :lol:

Iranian women now @ par with male students in science

Many top Iranian scientist are women ..
If that is the case, then one assumes that they're intelligent and capable enough to choose, for themselves, as to how they should dress.


Iranian parliament , twice , had a poll about "Hijab"

70 % of the women said they against "compensatory" Hijab .. but .. 60% of women said they would have Hijab even if it was "voluntary".

Already now forced Hijab is off the table .. already voluntary

This Tehran street .. one can see some have , some don't have Hijab

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkk10AOh4qk&t=26s

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Typhoon wrote: Sat Nov 12, 2022 4:48 am
Heracleum Persicum wrote: Sun Oct 30, 2022 4:51 pm .

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Ira ... _342764939

75% of all Medical specialist in Iran are women

50% of all Medical doctors in Iran are women


There now a "minimum" quota for male medical students applications :lol:

Iranian women now @ par with male students in science

Many top Iranian scientist are women ..
If that is the case, then one assumes that they're intelligent and capable enough to choose, for themselves, as to how they should dress.

1 hour ago .. Sivan Shopping Center Tehranpars

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9wd_bhoQo8

Hijab already voluntary.

LOLOL - does not look women are "Oppressed"

This shopping mall is in "Tehran Pars" district of Tehran .. middle class
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Wouldn’t Turkey be the obvious broker?
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Nonc Hilaire wrote: Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:40 pm
Wouldn’t Turkey be the obvious broker?


Probably some sort of "swap"

Some oil producers could buy Iranian oil, and at the same time sell their own oil production to Germans .. technically german not buying Iranian oil.

US would be looking away

Iran could export up to 6 m barrels a day :lol:

Biden and Xi shook hand and agreed this no cold war again, leading to cooling down rhetoric, if so, economies could bounce worldwide , if so, market needs more Oil if Oil price should not rise over 100 .. for that, only option is Iranians oil .. everybody else is @ max pumping, rising production would damage the wells

mad mullahs know all this

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"I fancied myself as some kind of god....It is a sort of disease when you consider yourself some kind of god, the creator of everything, but I feel comfortable about it now since I began to live it out.” -- George Soros
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https://centreforaviation.com/analysis/ ... ion-419638


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:lol: :lol: come on, Typhoon, come on .. you can do better than that

"Radio Free Europe" is an "official" CIA station, with CIA budget approved by congress .. like you asking KGB about Ukraine stuff

https://www.wilsoncenter.org/book/radio ... and-beyond

Yes, CIA (and others) tried to scare but many new articles say "dont worry, be happy", all fine
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