NapLajoieonSteroids wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 6:10 am
noddy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 2:47 am
of that I suspect the biggest factor is the lack of much effort fort creationism outside certain parts of America and apparently Turkey.
Ive never met a creationist Christian in my country - Im sure their are some to be found in the rural areas but they wouldnt be on the internet and it would be low on the list of things they believe which dont correlate to modern city culture.
evolution as the mechanism by which god plays with life seems to be the more common interpretation of it all.
Yes, I can see that.
I haven't met a christian creationist either (in this more specific sense). I also asked the missus if she has actually come across it in the wild, and she's a negative on it too.
At the same time (and in another Alexander blog post) 40+% of the Americans still tell pollsters they are creationists-- which suggests that the wrongs things are being looked at/the wrong questions asked.
I do think this creationist label as a pejorative doesn't help. For all intents and purposes I am a creationist too-- I believe in our God is a creator we exist as we are His creation. Not that it is either here nor there, but I and assume many others would be poorly captured in how popular or articulated these things actually are.
yeh - this is an American phenomena that various christians have different points at which they tap out of the discussion
1) evolution changing species colours and shapes and behaviours (wolves to dogs, goats to sheep)
2) evolution changing a species so much its a new species (bears and wolves having a common ancestor, chickens being dinosaurs)
3) evolution as the start of life, from organic chemistry
at each of these points it can just be a mechanism by which god acts in the physical world - even the start of life "made from mud" part.
so the phrasing of the question is important , no doubt.
god created everything via a lightning strike into a puddle of organic goo being the murky part of the discussion... or did god create the puddle of goo and the lightning.. or ..
one thing ive noticed is that internet creationists are far more worried about (3) and its consequences than anything else - whereas atheists really dont as a whole believe we have any answers to that yet.
the assumption is that it must be a physical process, no doubt, but the mechanisms are completely unknown and dont have anything to do with god anyway - why is the mechanism so important ?