Parodite wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 8:34 pmMost Israelis believe, now for long time, 2-states is not a solution. Both Gaza and WB then become launchpad for rockets, tunnels etc. But how would the alternative, a 1-state solution look like?Heracleum Persicum wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:59 pm More and more, Parodite, we agree
BiBi thought he can pull a "one Zionist state" solution, conspiring by feeding ($$$ and weapon) to the "One Palestinian state" eggheads, hopping once things erupt he can pull a "geocode" on Pali and wrap it up.
Was a mistake.
For Bibski Nomoreyahu et-al one 1-state meant: divide and rule with Hamas in Gaza and PA in Westbank. Any violence still directed at Israel was to be managed business as usual with checkpoints, fences etc. and IDF Sledge Hammer Beast when necessary. SHB is employed usually once in 10-20 years to weed out the excesses.
Idea was that this type of "maintenance" is the only way to move forward into the future, with considered invincible Israeli high-tech sealing the deal, but 7-10 proved this delusional. BB strategy now bankrupt.
For Israeli Peaceniks 1-state means: one country from river to see with equal rights for all and a secular constitution. Maybe Cantons like your idea. Also my personal preference. But I'm a Peacenik Realisticus Pragmatico, not a Peacenik Messianicus Naivicae Oblivio.
The belief that if all Palestinians become citizens of such a 1-state Israel, peace will soon be a reality... is not obvious at all. It actually is... absurd. Palestinians like Hamas et-al reject this idea; they want the state of Israel be eradicated as a home for the Jews and killing Jews is considered an honor.
Peacenik option now bankrupt too. Many murdered Israelis 7-10 kibbutzim were leftwing Peaceniks. The best, smartest and nicest.. always reminding Palestinian human plight and demands for political reforms. They now completely shattered. Like all Israelis also Peaceniks are extremely stubborn. Most of them will double down being a radical Peacenik in the future.
Above reality means: 1-state or 2-state... none are a solution many years to come. This is the bad news but… this was true already since 1948. All possible solutions were tried many times since.
If the proverbial "insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" applies anywhere, it is here.
But now the good news:
People will start realize problem is not whether or not Palestinians have their own state. Has nothing to do with it. Two neighboring states can still wage war on each other and if those same people lived together in 1-state they'd probably be at each others throats as well: then it's called a civil war, or perhaps just "gang violence". They would.
Defeating gangsters
I have said many times: territorial wars are the most violent, relentless, deaf to reason or compromise. This fact has simple hard-coded biological origins. For peaceniks on both sides to gain control, the gangsters on both sides need to be defeated first. They have to fight whether they like it or not.
Palestinian gangsters like HAMAS can only be defeated by the sword. Israeli gangsters like BB, racist settlers who see Arabs as dogs.. they can be defeated politically but they produce more kids than Peaceniks. So more likely in the long run they will outbreed Israeli peaceniks.
IDF will be populated with more Israeli religious gangsters, but they don't have the skill-set and earthly realism in their genes that the secular knucklehead Zionists from Eastern Europe had, who created this territory and won all the wars they had to fight. I don't see the Jewish holy book-a-holics able do the same.
My prediction always been: long-term future Israel is majority Orthodox Judaism similar to Mullah Iran theocracy. Probably Rabbis and mad mullahs then laughing together: secular-reformed "quasi Jews" all gone. I imagine HP the wedding photographer of this miracle
Only idiots would want to stay in that Meddle East hell hole. Jews and Arabs will continue their old tradition of making each other as miserable as possible while fighting for survival & dominance, no matter how many 1-2-3 states are invented to supposedly solve the problem.
Only wise solution is a "Republic" with 2 provinces .. like Canada
Each province would have their own parliament, government, rules and laws .. but one country like Canada.
Otherwise, if violence continues for many yrs to come, Ashkenazim elite will leave to US and Europe .. leaving behind the non European Jews
As Kissinger says, Israel has ZERO chance against Palestinian "insurgency" .. and .. Israel now not only confronting Palestinians, Houthie a good sample .. and .. West, US and Europe, starting now wash their hands of Israel, they have more important issues to deal with, China, Russia, Iran, India, Africa ..
Am sure next POTUS will distance from Israel, am sure AIPAC will realize that backing Israel will not benefit American Jews.
Israeli electorate thinking they can have the cake and eat it too .. mad mullahs
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