AzariLoveIran wrote:monster_gardener wrote:.
(only difference was the style,
Style can be very important..... Can save your life...... Can mean that the Chinese Ambassador almost got Queen Victoria to stop the Opium on moral grounds.......
Germans no nonsense, Brits more diplomatic)
Quite Right.
I would say that the Germans are/were mechanistic in their evil.... running factories of death......
My impression is that for some of the British, evil is a game........ Sometimes a Great Game....
But that can mean that an opponent has more of a chance and may get some respect....... The fox hunters don't want the fox to meekly wait for the hounds like a lamb.... or a Jew being sent into a German gas chamber.........
Germans were never colonial power ..
Namibia/South West Africa was a COLONY......
They were only in charge for 30 years but they did some much damage that if they had been there longer probably no native would have survived....
Namibia became a German colony in 1884 to forestall British encroachment and was known as German South-West Africa (Deutsch-Südwestafrika).[11] However, the Palgrave mission by the British governor in Cape Town had determined that only the natural deep-water harbour of Walvis Bay (Walfisch in German, Walvis in Afrikaans, Whale in English) was worth occupying – and this was annexed to the Cape province of British South Africa. From 1904 to 1907, the Herero and the Namaqua took up arms against the Germans and in the subsequent Herero and Namaqua genocide, 10,000 Nama (half the population) and approximately 65,000 Hereros (about 80% of the population) were killed.[12][13] The survivors, when finally released from detention, were subjected to a policy of dispossession, deportation, forced labor, racial segregation and discrimination in a system that in many ways anticipated apartheid. Most Africans were confined to so-called native territories, which later under South African rule post-1949 were turned into "homelands" (Bantustans). Indeed, some historians have speculated that the German genocide in Namibia was a model used by Nazis in the Holocaust,[14] but most scholars say that episode was not especially influential for the Nazis, who were children at the time[citation needed]. However, the father of Luftwaffe commander Hermann Göring was a one-time German colonial governor of Namibia and has a street named after him in Swakopmund.[15] The memory of genocide remains relevant to ethnic identity in independent Namibia and to relations with Germany.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Namibia#German_rule
I remember reading how decades later, the German colonists remained there and kept pictures of Hitler on their walls as a shrine.........
Germans never lived from other people's work
During WW2 the Germans looted almost every part of Europe where they went.... The High Nazis stole national treasuries and looted museums while the low Nazis/German soldiers bought up everything in the stores with the fixed currencies down to the last egg and stick of butter and took it back home to Germany when on leave..... Got so bad that Nazi diplomats complained that it was promoted unrest in the occupied territories and even with "allies" but were overruled but that was how the Nazis were buying social peace at home. When the Western Allies finally reached Germany, they noted how much better fed the people were compared to the occupied nations such as Greece etc......
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As said, if Germans would have killed all Namibia, would make 1 million dead
French killed millions in Algeria alone
Germans were more effective, they not worst but more Gründlich .. that's the way they are
that was really funny with German looting
Monster, British Museum & Louvre (and a few others) had to close if it were not for those things Greek and Egyptian and Roman and Persian stuff there
What do the Brits have ? ?
Brits even much worst than made up "Jewish History"
Even Shakespeare invented
come on, Monster, come on
Germans, NAZI, looting this and that, paintings and art ? ?
Mesopotamian, Baghdad, Museum was first thing to be plundered, even before the Oil ministry (special embarrassing files all disappeared .. CIA special unit)
Special units were trained to loot Baghdad museum immediately in first hour .. a few items, just to fool,were returned, but most gone and will surface later in western museums
Getty Museum all looted stuff .. not a single one legally exited Greece, Egypt, Iran, Italy
Buying those stuff in auction does not mean they legal
All those stuff are property of origin
Greece and Iran want them back
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Thank you Very Much for your post, Azari.
Gründlich = thorough........... Exactly what you don't want in evil conquerers/Monsters
Better a Monster
who is clumsy, drunken, lazy, lecherous, playful, sloppy and especially "schizophrenic"....... You may have a better chance to survive........
The Monster
may even sometimes prove to be a flawed "hero"........ As the British and others have been sometimes....... to the Moskitos, to the North American Native Americans, to Africans (slave trade, South Africa etc.......) etc.......
Last thing you want is a thorough monster... Like the Germans.......
May be one reason, Jesus preferred the sinners to the rule keepers...........
Even with a sloppy monster it's bad.......... Andy Jackson's experience with the British........ that STUPID Great Game in Central Asia........
But most of humanity are monsters in potential if not practice... Often from lack of opportunity..."Cromwells guiltless of blood" from lack opportunity & necessity"...
Not that many Bodhisattvas, WWJD Saints like the bureaucrat Chiune Sugihara..........
IIRC the Jews believe there are only 36 Tzaddiks at any one time.... for whose sake G_d does not destroy the World.......
Most if not all of us/uz are at best sinners saved by grace and still subject to temptation......
Still have an sinful undead depraved killer ape nature trying raise itself from the grave to turn us/uz into nasty trolls again.........
But I digress....
The looting of the Museums was a lesser atrocity..... may have shown a comparatively "good" aspect of the German monsters....... they appreciated art........
Better that than iconoclasts.... which have included Christians in the past as well as the Sunni Muslims who are notorious in their hate of figurative art........
Funny story: during the Nazi occupation there was an artist who faked a number of Vermeers and sold them to the Nazis...... After the war, he was prosecuted as a traitor but successfully defended himself against the charge by showing that the works he sold were fakes
..... IIRC he even painted one in court
A sadder aspect is that often it has been "thieves" /archaeologists who have saved and are saving art...... Remembering a book about Troy....... IIRC Schielmann had to sneak a good bit of the loot to Germany as otherwise it would have been melted down for the gold as it was considered to be just junk from "The Days of Ignorance" that is the period before Islam..........worth only its metal value........
Or what you the crafty Muslim can get by selling it piece by piece to the infidels as was done with the Dead Sea Scrolls..........
Another example of this is that right now, the Greek museums are being looted by professional thieves stealing to order for private collectors because the Greek Govt. does not have money to pay the security guards........ Have read that similar or worse happened in Egypt during the "Arab Spring"......... I'm a bit concerned what may happen if the Salafi ride as high in Egypt as they did in Afghanistan...... Bamyan Buddhas....
And sadly, I have read that during or shortly after WW2, much of the ceramic art of Troy was destroyed when stupid German peasants broke into an unguarded warehouse where the artifacts were stored to protect them from bombing to get to get stuff to break for a "polterbend" for a marriage........
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