Enki wrote:
I don't think that's his point. I think his point is that only the tinfoil crowd cared about it back when there was even time to do anything about it.
Not exactly. In fairness maybe I should flesh this out.
Echelon was tinfoil material by the MSM. It's not that only the tinfoils cared about it, it was caring about it made you a tinfoil. Whether you are liberal, or conservative, there are certain issues/topics respectively rightly or wrongly that you simply do not talk about because you lose. This is now coming from a different framework, but until recently Echelon was one of them. I won't go into the details on how Republicans actually curtailed the program in the last decade because it will be angrily denied and isn't ultimately relevant.
In politics you have to pick your battles. For whatever reason in the 1990's echelon was tinfoil material. If you raised the topic you were in alien Roswell territory. Back when that used to be a bad thing. It just was. If you don't know that go find a time machine and then report back to me on how I'm wrong, because apparently I'm dealing with a gaggle of greenhorns here who were radicalized sometime between 2001 and 2003, and believe political history began at that date.
This is what is so objectionable about people like Berzer, who after the fact come in pointing fingers but will do nothing to do the actual donkey work of doing things one day at a time, one step at at time, one brick at a time. When you elect Republicans whole scads of government oppression goes off the table, socialized medicine, taxes, government regulation, constitutional rights, on and on. Half the stuff that the GOP does that it shouldn't is to pacify the MSM into not calling us child starvers and racists. The other half can be dealt if the Democrats had been erased and the MSM broken, and a new party naturally emerging. Then we can pick and choose between those two parties. This option was rejected by people like Berzer stupidly, and it will never present itself again. Now he cheers as Christians are put on rail cars. It's good for them.
When Democrats are in power ALL freedom is at risk, as Democrats do not believe in any limits on gov't. The only freedoms they even pay lip service to is sex and drugs, and even then they almost never follow through.